Homward,, I don't see things exactly like you do...
I believe Galations 2:20 is not as extreme as the author makes it sound..
Homward,,, I know that you are still you after recieving Jesus and becoming saved. You haven't turned into Jesus,, or sombody else... You are still Homward,, the same guy that was a little boy and even a toddler and before that a baby.
I'm still Michael. I still remember all of my sinful years of youth.....I have never been crucified. Nor have you. To claim you are crucified with Christ is nothing more than a figure of speech. We both know, neither of us were dragged to a cross and nailed to it. Neither of us have any scars that would make the claim that we are crucified, a fact. We both know we weren't
Paul is simply teaching that the INFLUENCE of Christ's teachings is what causes us to obey Him and have a desire to become like Jesus in Character.
That is the Point I was going to make yesterday.. But,, you left.
I don't believe Jesus is actually living inside me... I believe His INFLUENCE is what lives inside me and controls and subdues my human fleshly desire to sin.
Under my way of thinking,,, When I and my wife have our private time... It is me she is being sexual with,,, Not Jesus!
When i was a young boy,, there was another kid in the neighborhood that was a bad example... He did things like,, smoke, break bottles in the street.. My parents saw that I was beginning to act and talk like him...Soon,, they forbade me to hang out with that fellow,, cause they said,,, he was a bad INFLUENCE,, and that his INFLUENCE was showing itself thru my actions.
I got on my Fleshy knees this morning for Prayer. My flesh serves God. We had a big wreck at the intersection near my home. When I heard the 2 cars hit each other.. I knew that it was probably bad. I went there to help,, with my fleshy body.
My spirit body,, wouldn't have done anything... For I cannot move as a spirit moves,,, Cause I have a flesh body!
So,, my flesh serves God. M flesh helped those in the car wreck.. I helped get the guy out of the car, before it caught fire.
My spirit man would have sat there and accomplished nothing...
Homward,, I'm a realist,, I'm not into fake. I'm not into phony..... I know that I haven't been crucified with Jesus. Again,, that is nothing more than word play.
If I believe Jesus is all the Bible says He is,, than His influence is what lives in me. The influence of the Holy Spirit lives in me.
Am I making any sense to you?
Yes, from the way you are seeing what I am saying, yes.
You do not see what is said.
I never said literally, physically dead.
carnal mindedly dead the old way of thought pattern. A new mind of thought from God perspective, not yours, mine or any human being's thought pattern.
Michael from God's perspective, how many sins did God die for with Son at the cross?
How many are left for you? Whether you sin or not, does it ever take away the fact of what he did in above question.
so again how many from God's perspective are left for you? Whether you believe or not?
John 1:29 [
John Testifies About Jesus ] The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the
Lamb of God, who takes away the sin
of the world!
In light of this fact that Christ did what he did for the whole world, via (cross) and thus we all are dead in the carnal mind of flesh and blood, not alive to God.
Romans 5:10 For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were
reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been
reconciled,
shall we be saved through his life!
1 Corinthians 15:29
Now if there is no resurrection,
what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them?
The above is baptized by the Holy Spirit of God, and one has new life in the Spirit of God while still in this flesh body, yet the old man is considered dead, as to the influence of that other boy that started the influence on you that your mother intervened, which is what God does by God's Spirit, God Woo's you this is not good and that is, never taking away our free wills.
So the enemy, flesh does its best to deceive and keep one on a fleshly mindset of, lust in the mind, whether one does it or not, that is what flesh does and you know it, and okay if you do not want to give it up for God, God is not harmed and neither am I.
You have accepted what you have been taught from childhood like Saul did, even though Saul thought what he did was righteous, even before he started killing Christians, he said this about it
[h=3]Philippians 3[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[h=3]No Confidence in the Flesh[/h]3 Further, my brothers and sisters, rejoice in the Lord! It is no trouble for me to write the same things to you again, and it is a safeguard for you. [SUP]
2 [/SUP]Watch out for those dogs, those evildoers, those mutilators of the flesh. [SUP]
3 [/SUP]For it is we who are the circumcision, we who serve God by his Spirit, who boast in Christ Jesus,
and who put no confidence in the flesh—[SUP]
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though I myself have reasons for such confidence.
If someone else thinks they have reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more: [SUP]
5 [/SUP]circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee; [SUP]
6 [/SUP]as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for righteousness based on the law, faultless.
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7 [/SUP]But whatever were gains to me I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. [SUP]
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What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ[SUP]
9 [/SUP]
and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith.[SUP]
10 [/SUP]
I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death,[SUP]
11 [/SUP]
and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead.
[SUP]
12 [/SUP]
Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me.[SUP]
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Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead,
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.
So as I grow in this same desire as Paul, here I am and it is what it is, love you Michael, I am in no way condemning you, because God's grace is God's grace and just love us all. I am just taking a deep walk with the Savior in hopes all will do this too.
Now about our bodies being alive to God, they are after we decide to be dead to self carnal nature and then
[h=3]Romans 12[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[h=3]A Living Sacrifice[/h]12 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. [SUP]
2 [/SUP]Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
It is seeing things from God's perspective, not man's, and the Spirit keeps you physically alive, not flesh anymore by the mind's belief, no doubts. Either God is in control at our will's or flesh
And all flesh works will burn up and all God works will not 1 Cor.3
John 4:23
Yet a time is coming
and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the
Spirit and in
truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
Anyway Brother in Christ, I know you believe and are at war as many are. The war is between Flesh and Spirit
Love you deeper than you may know, Gal 5 clear on this flesh and Spirit.