A new look at Colossians 2:16
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Of course Sunday is not the same as the Jewish Sabbath day. That's just a statement of fact. Then again, I am not Jewish. I am Christian. I voluntarily place myself in the yoke of God's Law, but cast away the chains of Jewish customs, traditions, and legalisms. And if Gentiles want to name the days of the week, there is not a thing wrong with that. Not like Gentiles are somehow second-class citizens of the world or the next.
I also stand by what I said earlier about SDA's: it seems to me it's straining a gnat and swallowing a camel when you work yourselves all in a tizzy about how everyone's "sinning" because supposedly their "day is wrong"--but then a virus comes along, and you run off hiding in your homes to worship Sabbath, instead of meeting together to honor the Lord.
I also stand by what I said earlier about SDA's: it seems to me it's straining a gnat and swallowing a camel when you work yourselves all in a tizzy about how everyone's "sinning" because supposedly their "day is wrong"--but then a virus comes along, and you run off hiding in your homes to worship Sabbath, instead of meeting together to honor the Lord.
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I was replying to Massorite's snarky comment to me about how Jesus never intended "Sun day" to be the "new sabbath" or some such. He is deliberately confusing the two days, in order to push his flawed beliefs.
I have no issue with anyone who wants to recognize Sunday as their sabbath day... but it in no way changes the Jewish practice of observing Sabbath on the 7th day... and High Sabbaths on whatever day they happen to fall. Which is just hunky-dory, since we are NOT Jewish, and are not bound by Jewish law.
I have no issue with anyone who wants to recognize Sunday as their sabbath day... but it in no way changes the Jewish practice of observing Sabbath on the 7th day... and High Sabbaths on whatever day they happen to fall. Which is just hunky-dory, since we are NOT Jewish, and are not bound by Jewish law.
The verse is simple, don't need this interpreting junk. The church of Corinthia had false teachers that were teaching not to feast as they taught ghonsticsm and Paul told them not to listen to the false teachers. You are saying that if Paul said it was OK to feast, then it is OK not to feast.
The bottom line is that Paul told them it was OK to celebrate Christ as God told them to and you are saying if the same rules of the Lord work for not listening to the Lord telling us to celebrate with a feast, the same rules would work for not celebrating with a feast.
Paul had no idea that men would come along saying the feasts of the Lord were am odious duty, bunnies, eggs, and new clothes celebrating newness of fertility could be added to make it more like people were used to and the world thought that made it more fun.
The bottom line is that Paul told them it was OK to celebrate Christ as God told them to and you are saying if the same rules of the Lord work for not listening to the Lord telling us to celebrate with a feast, the same rules would work for not celebrating with a feast.
Paul had no idea that men would come along saying the feasts of the Lord were am odious duty, bunnies, eggs, and new clothes celebrating newness of fertility could be added to make it more like people were used to and the world thought that made it more fun.
Then stop interpreting it, and just read verse 17 with verse 16.
I thought this thread was about Paul's letter to the Colossians, not the Corinthians. Yes, Paul is saying that it is okay to feast or not. "Don't let anyone judge you."
You want to celebrate the shadows, you go right ahead, but don't sit there and judge me because I see things differently. I'll celebrate the reality, which is Christ present.
As I said nothing about such things, I see no reason to comment further.
I thought this thread was about Paul's letter to the Colossians, not the Corinthians. Yes, Paul is saying that it is okay to feast or not. "Don't let anyone judge you."
You want to celebrate the shadows, you go right ahead, but don't sit there and judge me because I see things differently. I'll celebrate the reality, which is Christ present.
As I said nothing about such things, I see no reason to comment further.
We can't even discuss it, we are not on the same page. You speak of these passages as if Paul wrote to you today. I am discussing it as a letter to a church that thought and acted as they did 2,000 years ago.
The church the letter was addressed to thought Sabbath and the feasts were festive days. Most of today's church thinks of Sabbath and feasts as if they are a duty and the feasts one God has said we don't need to attend. Most of today's church read this letter as one written to them to justify not celebrating, Paul wrote to the Corinthian church to justify celebrating as they were doing. It changes the meaning. We know this because Paul is telling them it is not to let anyone judge them because they are feasting.
We know this because in Col 2:21 Paul tells them it is wrong to tell them "do not taste, do not handle, do not touch'. The Corinthians were doing these thinks as they celebrated the feasts. The Lord wants us to have pleasures.
The church the letter was addressed to thought Sabbath and the feasts were festive days. Most of today's church thinks of Sabbath and feasts as if they are a duty and the feasts one God has said we don't need to attend. Most of today's church read this letter as one written to them to justify not celebrating, Paul wrote to the Corinthian church to justify celebrating as they were doing. It changes the meaning. We know this because Paul is telling them it is not to let anyone judge them because they are feasting.
We know this because in Col 2:21 Paul tells them it is wrong to tell them "do not taste, do not handle, do not touch'. The Corinthians were doing these thinks as they celebrated the feasts. The Lord wants us to have pleasures.
You seem to think the same about Moses. I am well aware that Paul didn't write directly to me. I am also aware that his words are directly relevant today, whereas Moses' words are only indirectly relevant.
Colossae was not a primarily Jewish church, but rather Gentile. Gentiles didn't come from a cultural background that included Sabbaths and feasts as given to Israel. I'd suggest you read a handful of decent commentaries so that you understand the background better.
Colossian church, not Corinthian.
You have this exactly backwards. Paul is indeed telling them not to submit to man-made rules, but that is because they are now free in Christ, not because they were celebrating the feasts.
Colossians, not Corinthians.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with this point but I don't think you've come anywhere near supporting your position, so it comes across as groundless.
Colossae was not a primarily Jewish church, but rather Gentile. Gentiles didn't come from a cultural background that included Sabbaths and feasts as given to Israel. I'd suggest you read a handful of decent commentaries so that you understand the background better.
Colossian church, not Corinthian.
You have this exactly backwards. Paul is indeed telling them not to submit to man-made rules, but that is because they are now free in Christ, not because they were celebrating the feasts.
Colossians, not Corinthians.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with this point but I don't think you've come anywhere near supporting your position, so it comes across as groundless.
Colossians 2:21 "'Do not handle, do not touch, do not taste!'"
These refer to things destined to perish with use, as it says clearly in verse 22. Why do you submit yourself to them, as it asks in verse 20? We who are in Christ have died to these worldly requirements. They have nothing to do with the Mosaic law.
1 Corinthians 5:7-8 refers to a metaphorical feast, for Christ IS our Passover. This is in the middle of Paul's rejoinder regarding the man among them who was committing incest. It's not about the Israelite feast of Passover at all, but about the proper behaviour of Christians in light of their redeemed status. A parallel is found in Isaiah 58, where God tells the Israelites not to fast with merely the absence of food, but with a lifestyle becoming their claim to godliness.
These refer to things destined to perish with use, as it says clearly in verse 22. Why do you submit yourself to them, as it asks in verse 20? We who are in Christ have died to these worldly requirements. They have nothing to do with the Mosaic law.
1 Corinthians 5:7-8 refers to a metaphorical feast, for Christ IS our Passover. This is in the middle of Paul's rejoinder regarding the man among them who was committing incest. It's not about the Israelite feast of Passover at all, but about the proper behaviour of Christians in light of their redeemed status. A parallel is found in Isaiah 58, where God tells the Israelites not to fast with merely the absence of food, but with a lifestyle becoming their claim to godliness.
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