A NON-CHARISMATIC UNDERSTANDING OF TONGUES

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eternally-gratefull

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The entire OP is a falsehood -

"After 8 years of study I declare my position to be God's truth and therefore will accept NO discussion or debate about it".

You know, my 25 years of study on the subject says the whole cessationist agenda is false. Since I have the OP by 17 additional years, I MUST be right.
So its ok for pro gifting to do this, but not for anti modern day gifting?

Sounds hypocritical to me in the least.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You should of listened to my objection on the works thread VCO.

You've got what you intended.
He put a different view out there. Gave people another view to look at..so they can make up their own mind.
 
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You act as if you know me? What makes you think I buy into the stuff Fox tells us? I actually do not listen to world news now I can;t believe a word I said.

I hate socialsim, I have seen the damage it will cause, and I am scared for my country now. But I am also just as mad with many on the right.. who I think have left their values and goals all for a few votes.

But ths has not a thing to do about tongues, and I have no agenda. But I should have known something was up :rolleyes:
That should say I do not listen to WORLD news on any network. I do not believe in a thing THEY say.
 

notuptome

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The entire OP is a falsehood -

"After 8 years of study I declare my position to be God's truth and therefore will accept NO discussion or debate about it".

You know, my 25 years of study on the subject says the whole cessationist agenda is false. Since I have the OP by 17 additional years, I MUST be right.
What? You know in my 40 years of walking with the Lord He has never impressed me to pray or speak in tongues. The whole concept of praying in tongues is not sound doctrine.

Men speak in tongues and pray in tongues in the strength of their self will not the will of God. Apostate Israel provides ample evidence of this in the OT.

Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

Mt 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

Mr 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

The Lord Jesus cited Isaiah to warn Israel about these folks who professed to be spiritual but were in reality were self willed.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

RickyZ

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How many high iq p

How many high iq people study the bible for to come the conclusion that God does not exist. The miracles are fairy tales, Jesus is risen only spirituell.
And if you believe to an virgin birth you belong to the backforst people.

So study may not always leads to the right conclusion.
As per wit
 

RickyZ

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You act as if you know me? What makes you think I buy into the stuff Fox tells us? I actually do not listen to world news now I can;t believe a word I said.

I hate socialsim, I have seen the damage it will cause, and I am scared for my country now. But I am also just as mad with many on the right.. who I think have left their values and goals all for a few votes.

But ths has not a thing to do about tongues, and I have no agenda. But I should have known something was up :rolleyes:
I'm assuming you wrote this before you saw my correction?

Sorry I should not have aimed that at you, but at the general crowd.

But the point is, that if people cannot see what is an agenda in government and what is not (many believing the left has an agenda but the right does not), how are we to trust when they claim the powers and principalities of this world have no agenda (which, in this case, is to present counterfeits to muddy the waters and cause otherwise faithful saints to abandon Biblical tongues)?
 

RickyZ

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So its ok for pro gifting to do this, but not for anti modern day gifting?

Sounds hypocritical to me in the least.
It is ok to present different views.

It is NOT ok to declare your views as the final inerrant Word of God and not up to debate.

That's just flat out dangerous.
 

wolfwint

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Neither does unbelief in what is plainly read.
Thats the question. As I see, the thing between our both views is the way we
Exeget what is written. We dont have the same hermeneutic/ exegetic rules.
This why the thread name.
 

VCO

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The entire OP is a falsehood -

"After 8 years of study I declare my position to be God's truth and therefore will accept NO discussion or debate about it".

You know, my 25 years of study on the subject says the whole cessationist agenda is false. Since I have the OP by 17 additional years, I MUST be right.

I DO NOT WANT TO DEBATE THIS SUBJECT. That is your Second Warning.

Just so you know, I was hooked on Kenneth Copeland, seeking to speak in tongues, and started my study trying to prove to my wife after SHE HAD BECOME CONVINCE THAT IT IS ALL COUNTERFEIT. So my original plan was to prove tongues were for today, and about 6 weeks later, I was convinced that My Wife was right, that modern day tongues was a pure Counterfeit. AND she was RAISED Pentecostal, spoke in tongues with the best of them. That was about 1980 if I remember right. So I have been studying for 39 years, and I am tired of that subject, and have not heard any new arguments for at least the past 20 years. THEREFORE I DO NOT CARE IF YOU DISAGREE with every thing the HOLY SPIRIT had me WRITE. That is between you and GOD. I AM CONVINCED the HOLY SPIRIT, lead me INTO THAT STUDY AND CONCLUSION, so as far as I am concerned, me and my house will always BELIEVE the Non-Charismatic Point of VIEW, which my study actually is. THAT IS THE ONLY RESPONSE you will get from me.
 

stonesoffire

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Thats the question. As I see, the thing between our both views is the way we
Exeget what is written. We dont have the same hermeneutic/ exegetic rules.
This why the thread name.
Plainly written wolf. Unless the German translation has been "hacked" ;)
 

RickyZ

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I DO NOT WANT TO DEBATE THIS SUBJECT. That is your Second Warning.

Just so you know, I was hooked on Kenneth Copeland, seeking to speak in tongues, and started my study trying to prove to my wife after SHE HAD BECOME CONVINCE THAT IT IS ALL COUNTERFEIT. So my original plan was to prove tongues were for today, and about 6 weeks later, I was convinced that My Wife was right, that modern day tongues was a pure Counterfeit. AND she was RAISED Pentecostal, spoke in tongues with the best of them. That was about 1980 if I remember right. So I have been studying for 39 years, and I am tired of that subject, and have not heard any new arguments for at least the past 20 years. THEREFORE I DO NOT CARE IF YOU DISAGREE with every thing the HOLY SPIRIT had me WRITE. That is between you and GOD. I AM CONVINCED the HOLY SPIRIT, lead me INTO THAT STUDY AND CONCLUSION, so as far as I am concerned, me and my house will always BELIEVE the Non-Charismatic Point of VIEW, which my study actually is. THAT IS THE ONLY RESPONSE you will get from me.
Warning?

Ooooooooooooooooo I'm quaking in my boots!

The only warning needed here is that of believing you have to only lock on God's truth.

The HOLY SPIRIT led me to believe that you are throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Now, are you REALLY going to stand there and say YOUR Holy Spirit trumps MY Holy Spirit?

Here's where we're at:

The Bible talks about those who attribute genuine gifts of the Holy Spirit to satan - and by denying that genuine gifts of tongues are of the Holy Spirit you are doing JUST THAT - they do not recognize that they are of the Holy Spirit because they are listening to a spirit that is something else... that denies the power of God to be the same yesterday today and tomorrow.

So I'd be careful before declaring yourself the final arbiter of God's Word.

VERRRRY careful
 

RickyZ

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Just to cut off your next argument, I'm not saying you can't have your opinion.

But when you say your opinion is the final Word of God, you are on verrrry shaky ground, mister.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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the pompous attitude of self endorsed individuals never ceases to amaze
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I'm assuming you wrote this before you saw my correction?

Sorry I should not have aimed that at you, but at the general crowd.

But the point is, that if people cannot see what is an agenda in government and what is not (many believing the left has an agenda but the right does not), how are we to trust when they claim the powers and principalities of this world have no agenda (which, in this case, is to present counterfeits to muddy the waters and cause otherwise faithful saints to abandon Biblical tongues)?
Yes I must have

But you also must remember, many people believe in the one true gospel but differ on end times prophesy, the age of the earth, Which was we shoudl be baptised and many other things, It does not make them wrong on the gospel.

You also have to remember, as hard and strong you THINK modern day tongues is from God, other people think just as HARD and strong, and THINK modern day tongues is not from God.

Your gonna have to realise this fact. You saying your belief is biblical is no more helpful than someone saying your belief is not biblical. All it does is ruffle feathers of the other group. And makes angry responses grow. This is a subject which will never be resolved and the fights that are ongoing just make the whole situation worse. Not better.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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It is ok to present different views.

It is NOT ok to declare your views as the final inerrant Word of God and not up to debate.

That's just flat out dangerous.
It happens on both sides, If your going to judge people who are against you. You better judge your own people when they do the very same thing,