A Perspective on Evolution

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I believe that man was:

  • Created in one day by God

    Votes: 19 63.3%
  • Created by God over millions of years via evolution

    Votes: 3 10.0%
  • Created accidentally by random processes over millions of years

    Votes: 3 10.0%
  • Created by extraterrestrials in an alien lab

    Votes: 2 6.7%
  • Other

    Votes: 3 10.0%

  • Total voters
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I think it takes more faith to believe in Evolution then Creation.

People have a hare time believing that God always existed yet they can believe that atoms and what not always existed.
 

superdave5221

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There are multiple missing links, but moreover, if evolutionary theory as we understand it is correct, every species is a transitional species because there's no obvious 'endgame', no 'perfect' biological organism currently extant.

How do you explain the Cambrian explosion? Most geologists give the oldest living organism to have begun about 5 billion years ago. And yet, prior to the Cambrian explosion (580-510 million years ago), only single celled organisms existed. Suddenly, in a geologic instant, most of the animal phyla that is found in the fossil record appeared, not slowly, as Darwin predicted, but rapidly. Single celled organisms became exceeding complicated organisms, with compound eyes, and articulated legs, in just a couple of million years, and many of them exist, in their original form, even up until today. Evolutionionists, who love Uniformitarianism, insist that at this time the evolution speeded up. For what reason? And why did it slow down again?

A rational person who throws out data that has supernatural implications, just because he doesn't like that data for philosophical reasons, is not a real scientist, in my opinion.
 
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greatkraw

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How do you explain the Cambrian explosion? Most geologists give the oldest living organism to have begun about 5 billion years ago. And yet, prior to the Cambrian explosion (580-510 million years ago), only single celled organisms existed. Suddenly, in a geologic instant, most of the animal phyla that is found in the fossil record appeared, not slowly, as Darwin predicted, but rapidly. Single celled organisms became exceeding complicated organisms, with compound eyes, and articulated legs, in just a couple of million years, and many of them exist, in their original form, even up until today. Evolutionionists, who love Uniformitarianism, insist that at this time the evolution speeded up. For what reason? And why did it slow down again?

A rational person who throws out data that has supernatural implications, just because he doesn't like that data for philosophical reasons, is not a real scientist, in my opinion.
All these sequential orders of rock layers are theoretical.

There are hardly any examples where the rock strata confirms the model.

Same with fossils.
 
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How do you explain the Cambrian explosion? Most geologists give the oldest living organism to have begun about 5 billion years ago. And yet, prior to the Cambrian explosion (580-510 million years ago), only single celled organisms existed. Suddenly, in a geologic instant, most of the animal phyla that is found in the fossil record appeared, not slowly, as Darwin predicted, but rapidly. Single celled organisms became exceeding complicated organisms, with compound eyes, and articulated legs, in just a couple of million years, and many of them exist, in their original form, even up until today. Evolutionionists, who love Uniformitarianism, insist that at this time the evolution speeded up. For what reason? And why did it slow down again?

A rational person who throws out data that has supernatural implications, just because he doesn't like that data for philosophical reasons, is not a real scientist, in my opinion.
Well I don't see how the Cambrian explosion hurts the case for Creation. If anything, it demonstrates that evolution had a guiding intelligence behind it.
 
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Graybeard

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maybe there is something to this evolution theory.....when I think of it, in my younger wilder days experimenting with acid, I always wondered why I wound up in a tree behaving like a primate...:cool:
 
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Either that, or you were having a trippy vision of you as Sampson Graybeard, Monkey Lord of the Jungle Planet. :D
 
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Graybeard

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lol..yea, my buddy always used to say, we are going back to our roots..HA!
 
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wwjd_kilden

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My best argument against evolution from one- celled creature to man:

Why would nature evolve forth something that could kill nature?
 

superdave5221

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Well I don't see how the Cambrian explosion hurts the case for Creation. If anything, it demonstrates that evolution had a guiding intelligence behind it.
I wasn't trying to hurt the case for creation. I was trying to show that evolution is not feasible.
 
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The Cambrian explosion doesn't show that evolution isn't feasible, just that it involves many factors that we don't understand. I'm not really sure how we can say anything his not feasible when we believe in an omnipotent God.
 

superdave5221

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The Cambrian explosion doesn't show that evolution isn't feasible, just that it involves many factors that we don't understand. I'm not really sure how we can say anything his not feasible when we believe in an omnipotent God.

Neo-Darwinism postulates that natural selection acts on genetic variations within individuals in populations and that mutations are the main cause of these genetic variations. Because positive mutations are rare, (in fact most mutations cause serious difficulties for the organism), Neo-Darwinism contends that evolution will be a slow, gradual process. Any geneticist who is not brain washed will tell you that the rapidity at which the variety of organisms entered the scene during the Cambrian explosion, cannot be explained by genetic mutations.

Modern views of macroevolution contend that all life came about as chance genetic mutations in an undirected process that requires enormous periods of time. How can you say that God directs an undirected process that's dependent on random events?
 
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greatkraw

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The Cambrian explosion insists that certain fossils are found in certain layers in a certain order. I defy you to find an example of the model.

Now think about it, what does a fossil of a ONE CELLED ANIMAL(you know, like a bacteria) look like.

I bet all they find is that all of a sudden there were lots of creatures - I have heard that idea somewhere before.(frowns in puzzlement)
 

superdave5221

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The Cambrian explosion insists that certain fossils are found in certain layers in a certain order. I defy you to find an example of the model.

Now think about it, what does a fossil of a ONE CELLED ANIMAL(you know, like a bacteria) look like.

I bet all they find is that all of a sudden there were lots of creatures - I have heard that idea somewhere before.(frowns in puzzlement)

Exactly, all of a sudden there were lots of creatures. Hey, that's my point!
 
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Neo-Darwinism postulates that natural selection acts on genetic variations within individuals in populations and that mutations are the main cause of these genetic variations. Because positive mutations are rare, (in fact most mutations cause serious difficulties for the organism), Neo-Darwinism contends that evolution will be a slow, gradual process. Any geneticist who is not brain washed will tell you that the rapidity at which the variety of organisms entered the scene during the Cambrian explosion, cannot be explained by genetic mutations.

Modern views of macro-evolution contend that all life came about as chance genetic mutations in an undirected process that requires enormous periods of time. How can you say that God directs an undirected process that's dependent on random events?

Scientifically speaking, you can't assume evolution is directed without evidence. Short of finding God's blueprints, there's no way we can scientifically postulate a guiding intelligence for evolution. Scientists are obligated to stick to the empirical evidence.

Philosophically speaking, those of us who believe in God can, in faith, suppose direction. Why did the compound eye develop so rapidly? The scientific explanation says that, by chance, the right series of mutations happened at the right time. We can postulate and choose to believe in faith that God willed those particular mutations to happen in rapid sequence.

You're acting like the only options are completely supernatural creation, or completely random evolution, but that's a false dichotomy.
 
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greatkraw

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Scientifically speaking, you can't assume evolution is directed without evidence. Short of finding God's blueprints, there's no way we can scientifically postulate a guiding intelligence for evolution. Scientists are obligated to stick to the empirical evidence.

Philosophically speaking, those of us who believe in God can, in faith, suppose direction. Why did the compound eye develop so rapidly? The scientific explanation says that, by chance, the right series of mutations happened at the right time. We can postulate and choose to believe in faith that God willed those particular mutations to happen in rapid sequence.

You're acting like the only options are completely supernatural creation, or completely random evolution, but that's a false dichotomy.
roflmao

what??
 

superdave5221

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Scientifically speaking, you can't assume evolution is directed without evidence. Short of finding God's blueprints, there's no way we can scientifically postulate a guiding intelligence for evolution. Scientists are obligated to stick to the empirical evidence.

Philosophically speaking, those of us who believe in God can, in faith, suppose direction. Why did the compound eye develop so rapidly? The scientific explanation says that, by chance, the right series of mutations happened at the right time. We can postulate and choose to believe in faith that God willed those particular mutations to happen in rapid sequence.

You're acting like the only options are completely supernatural creation, or completely random evolution, but that's a false dichotomy.

The point is that evolutionists have NO empirical evidence to back up their claims. NONE!! It is proposed because the only other choice is that God created the world in six days. In a world that is increasingly secular, most scientists, who get paid by secular governments, refuse to accept this. I challenge you to find anywhere where evolution between phyla has occured. There is zero evidence in the lab, and zero evidence in the fossil record. And what about irreducable complexity? Microbiologists have shown that there are biological machines that could not have evolved. For example the bacterium flagellum. This biological machine is composed of over 40 protein parts. Take any of those parts away, and the machine doesn't work. How could all of those 40 parts come together randomly through natural selection to make this machine work? Natural selection says that two or three of the parts would have to come together first, giving the organism an advantage, and then more parts. But if any of the 40 parts are missing, the machine doesn't work. Where's the advantage in the interim stages? Even Charles Darwin said that if it could be shown that a life system exists that could not have come about in a random way, through natural selection, than his theory would absolutely fall apart. It has.
 
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greatkraw

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The point is that evolutionists have NO empirical evidence to back up their claims. NONE!! It is proposed because the only other choice is that God created the world in six days. In a world that is increasingly secular, most scientists, who get paid by secular governments, refuse to accept this. I challenge you to find anywhere where evolution between phyla has occured. quote]

They really know how untenable their posion is so they spend trillions of tax payers money looking outside for evidence of life.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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the problem is, all are brainwashed into believing there is evidence..
 
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The point is that evolutionists have NO empirical evidence to back up their claims.
...What are you talking about? There are numerous lines of evidence for it.
It is proposed because the only other choice is that God created the world in six days.
What? No it's not! There are hundreds, if not thousands, of creation stories throughout the history of the world, and there are (discredited) scientific theories about the origin of species that don't involve evolution. You're creating another false dichotomy.
In a world that is increasingly secular, most scientists, who get paid by secular governments, refuse to accept this. I challenge you to find anywhere where evolution between phyla has occured. There is zero evidence in the lab, and zero evidence in the fossil record.
I've already mentioned the link between reptiles and birds. They've also discovered fossils that seem to be the intermediary stages between fish and amphibians and between amphibians and reptiles.
And what about irreducable complexity? Microbiologists have shown that there are biological machines that could not have evolved. For example the bacterium flagellum. This biological machine is composed of over 40 protein parts. Take any of those parts away, and the machine doesn't work. How could all of those 40 parts come together randomly through natural selection to make this machine work?
Once again, how could it not have done so? God wanted to create a biosphere full of life on this planet. The proteins had no choice but to come together.
Where's the advantage in the interim stages? Even Charles Darwin said that if it could be shown that a life system exists that could not have come about in a random way, through natural selection, than his theory would absolutely fall apart. It has.
Darwin's theory has been revised, sure, but if evolutionary theory had fallen apart, then scientists would have rejected it and research would have continued along a different line.
 
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greatkraw

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Darwin's theory has been revised, sure, but if evolutionary theory had fallen apart, then scientists would have rejected it and research would have continued along a different line.
Such faith in men is touching. I suppose you believe tv commercials too.

We are talking about Godless men desparate to justify their deliberate ignoring of Him.
 
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