A Question about Free Will, Hell and how it is all set up.
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I'll make it simple for you.
Light is only light with regards to darkness, without darkness, light can not be light.
Beauty is beauty with regards to ugliness, without ugliness there will be no beauty
Righteousness is righteousness with regards to sin, without sin there's no righteousness.
Now that the beginning we already had all these nice things in the form of God, it only means other side MUST appear in His creation.
Light is only light with regards to darkness, without darkness, light can not be light.
Beauty is beauty with regards to ugliness, without ugliness there will be no beauty
Righteousness is righteousness with regards to sin, without sin there's no righteousness.
Now that the beginning we already had all these nice things in the form of God, it only means other side MUST appear in His creation.
I did offer you help. Whether you accept it or not is beyond my control. One: God's plan is superior to anything you or anybody else can come up with. Do you believe this? If not, you think you are better than God. You are not even able to see your condition, but I do. You are welcome.
Two: if you are in a state of fearing hell, this is a good thing, for it is the beginning of wisdom. Again, whether you accept this or not is beyond my control, but it is offered in the spirit of helping. You are welcome
Two: if you are in a state of fearing hell, this is a good thing, for it is the beginning of wisdom. Again, whether you accept this or not is beyond my control, but it is offered in the spirit of helping. You are welcome
You can not be a savior if there's no one to save.
A teacher is not a teacher unless there are students.
If one claims to be a teacher and there are no students, he becomes a liar aka satan.
I did not say God must be this or that, He said:
Isa 55:10"For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, And do not return there without watering the earth And making it bear and sprout, And furnishing seed to the sowerand bread to the eater; 11So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth; It will not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing what I desire, And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.
The desires of God are His attributes.
A teacher is not a teacher unless there are students.
If one claims to be a teacher and there are no students, he becomes a liar aka satan.
I did not say God must be this or that, He said:
Isa 55:10"For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, And do not return there without watering the earth And making it bear and sprout, And furnishing seed to the sowerand bread to the eater; 11So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth; It will not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing what I desire, And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.
The desires of God are His attributes.
I did offer you help. Whether you accept it or not is beyond my control. One: God's plan is superior to anything you or anybody else can come up with. Do you believe this? If not, you think you are better than God. You are not even able to see your condition, but I do. You are welcome.
Two: if you are in a state of fearing hell, this is a good thing, for it is the beginning of wisdom. Again, whether you accept this or not is beyond my control, but it is offered in the spirit of helping. You are welcome
Two: if you are in a state of fearing hell, this is a good thing, for it is the beginning of wisdom. Again, whether you accept this or not is beyond my control, but it is offered in the spirit of helping. You are welcome
Isa 46:9"Remember the former things long past, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me, 10Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure';
Isa 43:10“You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord,“and my servant whom I have chosen,so that you may know and believe meand understand that I am he.Before me no god was formed,nor will there be one after me.11I, even I, am the Lord,and apart from me there is no savior.12I have revealed and saved and proclaimed—I, and not some foreign god among you.You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “that I am God.13Yes, and from ancient days I am he.No one can deliver out of my hand.When I act, who can reverse it?”
Isa 43:10“You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord,“and my servant whom I have chosen,so that you may know and believe meand understand that I am he.Before me no god was formed,nor will there be one after me.11I, even I, am the Lord,and apart from me there is no savior.12I have revealed and saved and proclaimed—I, and not some foreign god among you.You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “that I am God.13Yes, and from ancient days I am he.No one can deliver out of my hand.When I act, who can reverse it?”
God desires you to choose Him. Why would you choose Him if you think things could be done better by somebody else? The fact that you are supposing that there would be a better way for Him to go about this reveals that you are suffering from the pride of life, which is the very thing that caused the fall of man and all creation.
Why would you choose Him if you don't know Him? He desires that everyone come to a knowledge of the truth. Obviously you have some awareness that there is a God, do you not?
Why would you choose Him if you don't know Him? He desires that everyone come to a knowledge of the truth. Obviously you have some awareness that there is a God, do you not?
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So you want to have the power to know and understand what an omnipotent God can? And if you can't see and understand as an omnipotent God then what?
You are, in essence, trying to remove free will in your theory, but saying you aren't. You can deny that you're removing free will all you want, but if God Makes people do something that is not their will. The reason you are not understanding is because you clearly don't understand free will.
What can is capable of and what god can do are also two separate things. What God has the power to do is unlimited.
What can CAN do is limited. Not by a lack of ability but by staying true to His character and His word. To deviate from those things makes Him no longer holy and no longer God as we know Him. So while God has the ability and power His character binds Him to so what is Right, not what is easy and convenient.
The truth is your, mine and everyone's here, understanding of the physical and spiritual world's are so extremely limited we can't even grasp the totality of knowledge God has on the way things function. Our greatest wisdom is a fleeting thought to God. Our most holy moments are filth compares to God's holiness. What God knows, sees and understands is well beyond what we can imagine. And His character cannot be tarnished the way we tarnish our own.
And Magenta IS helping by attempting to point out the flaw in your thinking. Which rather than making even a miniscule attempt to even consider you simply dismiss. I suspect that very mentality is what has put you in the situation you're on now. You want things to conform to your understanding, not so form yourself to what is reality.
You are, in essence, trying to remove free will in your theory, but saying you aren't. You can deny that you're removing free will all you want, but if God Makes people do something that is not their will. The reason you are not understanding is because you clearly don't understand free will.
What can is capable of and what god can do are also two separate things. What God has the power to do is unlimited.
What can CAN do is limited. Not by a lack of ability but by staying true to His character and His word. To deviate from those things makes Him no longer holy and no longer God as we know Him. So while God has the ability and power His character binds Him to so what is Right, not what is easy and convenient.
The truth is your, mine and everyone's here, understanding of the physical and spiritual world's are so extremely limited we can't even grasp the totality of knowledge God has on the way things function. Our greatest wisdom is a fleeting thought to God. Our most holy moments are filth compares to God's holiness. What God knows, sees and understands is well beyond what we can imagine. And His character cannot be tarnished the way we tarnish our own.
And Magenta IS helping by attempting to point out the flaw in your thinking. Which rather than making even a miniscule attempt to even consider you simply dismiss. I suspect that very mentality is what has put you in the situation you're on now. You want things to conform to your understanding, not so form yourself to what is reality.
Those who will become sinless and loving in heaven, as you say, are the ones who choose Him. I already said this. Those who reject Him, He Who is the Creator of all, in Whom we live and move and have our being, will not be given more life. Why should He give anyone more life, when they have refused to acknowledge Him as the author and giver of life in the first place?
Firstly, I'm sorry if I have been obtuse. It was never my intention. What Magenta seems to be telling me is that even though I may think that my plan is better, it is not. And that I cannot understand why God's plan is best. But I wish to try to understand why God has made his plan the way it is regardless.