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dcontroversal · Feb 9, 2015

I think that you have no intention of trying to explain the scriptures that I have presented to you because they contradict your way of thinking and you can not make them harmonize with your false interpretations, so you just avoid all scripture that does not agree with you. All throughout the bible Jesus is instructing God's children to "deny themselves" and that's where you are falling short by insisting that man plays a part in his eternal salvation. As long as you do not deny yourself, you will continue to have scriptures that you don't know how to explain. I am beginning to understand why you are avoiding many scriptures because you simply do not have an explanation for them.[/QUOTE]

Brother I suggest you buy a new pair of glasses and go read as I have never implied that man plays a part in his salvation and I have already explained to you why there is no need for us to discuss anything....I gave you numerous sets of scripture that PROVES exactly what Jesus died for and paid for and you cannot even acknowledge the WORDS IN CONTEXT that disprove your stance.....! There is NO reason to continually cast the word out before you to have you reject it and then imply CRAP that I do not teach nor say......like the bolded in YOUR QUOTE above!

posthuman · Feb 9, 2015

Reborn said:

i hope you don't mean a thread about THINGS WE ALL DISAGREE ON ?? ?

forsha · Feb 10, 2015

dcontroversal said:

Exactly and the scriptures I gave that you reposted in post 1358 contradict your conclusion....my bible says that Christ was a ransom for ALL MEN 1st Timothy 2:6...ALL MEN = ALL MEN

How is it that you cannot understand this....

Your Corinthian reference has nothing to do with the discussion found here and in POST 1358....It is quite simple...Christ paid the price for ALL humanity and the sins of HUMANITY except the sin of unbelief (into JESUS) The entire sin debt of humanity has been nailed to the cross, but will only be applied unto those who exercise faith into Jesus...The condemnation of God presently hangs over the heads of all who do not believe.....

Your Corinthian reference.....The natural man cannot receive the things of God, cannot know the things of God because they are spiritually discerned...this does not alleviate the fact that every man has built into their being the ability to believe ( a measure of faith), but unless they exercise that faith, believe they will NEVER BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND the word of God on a spiritual LEVEL...it is not that difficult BRO....

How do you make 1 Tim 2:6 harmonize with John 6:39 and John 17:2. The only way those three scriptures will harmonize is for the "ALL" in 1 Timothy to be "ALL THAT GOD GAVE TO HIS SON.

dcontroversal · Feb 11, 2015

forsha said:

This is how it ALL HARMONIZES and you still fail to see this....this is the last time I will explain it!

...God who is the savior of ALL MEN, specially of those that BELIEVE<----JIVE THIS with the verse you cite.

Jesus died for all men
The salvation offered will only be given to those who believe
The way is open unto ALL
NOT all will believe

Rather simple at the end of the day!

None of the above scriptures that you ask me to jive contradict my view.....

The guarantee and assurance is found in the verses you quote that simply states that those who have exercised faith hare assured life in Christ.....the Father knows all who will believe and everyone that would believe are given unto Christ with a guarantee of eternal life in Christ before the world began.......this does not alleviate the way being open unto all men<----this possibility alleviates those who might or would claim that God was not fair and equal....the ways of God are just......

blue_ladybug · Feb 11, 2015

hmm.. this is annoying. I wrote a long post and for some reason it didn't work, so rather than repeat it, I will write something entirely different.. lol..

First of all, I've been wondering where this thread went to, but I've been knocked out of commission lately so the thread's always been here, it's been ME that went elsewhere.. lol..

One thing we can all agree on is that we need to listen to God and our doctors when we are ill, and do what they say, and not be bold and stupid enough to try and do it our way, as I have lately, which did me more harm than good to my back.. my point is this: God, not ME, is the ultimate healer. Can i get an amen?

dcontroversal · Feb 11, 2015

blue_ladybug said:

hmm.. this is annoying. I wrote a long post and for some reason it didn't work, so rather than repeat it, I will write something entirely different.. lol..

First of all, I've been wondering where this thread went to, but I've been knocked out of commission lately so the thread's always been here, it's been ME that went elsewhere.. lol..

One thing we can all agree on is that we need to listen to God and our doctors when we are ill, and do what they say, and not be bold and stupid enough to try and do it our way, as I have lately, which did me more harm than good to my back.. my point is this: God, not ME, is the ultimate healer. Can i get an amen?

AMEN! HAHAHAH

Marian29 · Feb 13, 2015

"And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him."

John 9:2-3

dcontroversal · Feb 13, 2015

Marian29 said:

Amen to this...it is amazing how many people blame sin for sickness, accidents etc...not realizing that time and chance happen unto all and there is a purpose under the sun for all things.......good verse and reminder for sure.....!

forsha · Feb 13, 2015

dcontroversal said:

God did not choose his elect because of their good deeds. Ps 53:2-3, God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God. Every one of them is gone back, they are altogether become filthy, there is none that doeth good, no, not, one. This is what God had to choose from. Had God not intervened we would have all gone to hell. O, by the way, Thanks FOR GIVING me another chance, that's real neighborly of you. The only way that God saved us is to impute Christ's righteousness into us. Our righteousness would have never been good enough.

Sirk · Feb 13, 2015

God created us for relationship. With Him and eachother.

forsha · Feb 13, 2015

dcontroversal said:

If eternal salvation is dependent upon a man to believe, then man becomes his own savor by believing or restricting God from saving him by not believing. John 12:47, And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not, for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

dcontroversal · Feb 13, 2015

Sirk said:

Amen for sure.........and our fellowship is based upon Jesus and walking in the light as he is in the light........for sure....!

blue_ladybug · Feb 13, 2015

I (we) can do all things through Jesus who strengthens me (us)..

dcontroversal · Feb 13, 2015

blue_ladybug said:

Amen to this...all things that pertain to godliness and righteousness for sure.......

Marian29 · Feb 13, 2015

"They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham."
John 8:39

Marian29 · Feb 13, 2015

"The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and {that} they might be taken away.
Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.
But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:"

John 19:31-33

Marian29 · Feb 13, 2015

"Men {and} brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.
For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out."

Acts 1:16-18

Marian29 · Feb 13, 2015

"And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all {men}, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles."

Acts 1:23-26

dcontroversal · Feb 13, 2015

Marian29 said:

"The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and {that} they might be taken away.
Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.
But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:"

John 19:31-33

Amen and not a bone of his was broken.....that the prophecy might be fulfilled......!

Marian29 · Feb 13, 2015

"When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!
Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own {home}.

After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.
Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put {it} upon hyssop, and put {it} to his mouth.
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

John 19:26-31

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