A woman as a Pastor? Does it make it right if there is a need for pastors?
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The behaviors mentioned in 1Sam 15:22-23 are witchcraft and idolatry.
According to Rev 21:8; the people who practice those kinds of things are
slated for execution by means of a death akin to a foundry worker falling
into a vat of molten iron.
Though the conduct of females who overstep the boundaries of
primogeniture as per 1Cor 11:3 and 1Tim 2:13, and who disobey 1Tim 2:11
12 by taking part in the governing body of a church; is as bad as the
conduct of the people who practice witchcraft and idolatry, they are not
actually those kinds of people. There's a difference.
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The behaviors mentioned in 1Sam 15:22-23 are witchcraft and idolatry.
According to Rev 21:8; the people who practice those kinds of things are
slated for execution by means of a death akin to a foundry worker falling
into a vat of molten iron.
Though the conduct of females who overstep the boundaries of
primogeniture as per 1Cor 11:3 and 1Tim 2:13, and who disobey 1Tim 2:11
12 by taking part in the governing body of a church; is as bad as the
conduct of the people who practice witchcraft and idolatry, they are not
actually those kinds of people. There's a difference.
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The Word is 'bring some teaching' to 'built up' the church, is bringing the 'teachings' of the New Covenant Holy Scriptures and 'revelations' from them. 'Prophesying' means bringing 'teachings' based on the New Covenant in 'reminder and in stir up of memory' all CHRIST and HIS chosen Apostle said in them, by the Help of the true 'Teacher' given to us freely, the HOLY SPIRIT.
You and your supporting friends are not even in humble and humility according to all of them and wanting to become and support women pastors and teachers, when you all are not taught yourselves to bury 'self' and excel in the 'spirit'. Ever learning and don't even understand clearly the New Covenant sound doctrine Spiritual knowledge,
Men or women who desire to become 'teachers', first of all 'teach' your 'itching self', in order to be submissive and obedient to your Heavenly FATHER's New Covenant words of 'spirit' and 'life' 'to be practice orders'.
That is why i 'prophesy' to you and your supporters, which earlier i have proclaim based on your blind ignorance to GOD's New Covenant, in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST and it is written that;
"Only accumulating troubles for yourselves on judgement day."
So while you all 'hypocrites' still have a chance to turn back tot the Teachings of CHRIST, 'the author and finisher of our faith' the written and taught by the HOLY SPIRIT New Covenant, all because of Grace and Truth still available to the carnal/flesh Gentiles and they consist of 'ever learning Christians'.
i am in service for you and not against you, and only notifying as a New Testament unworthy prophet, 'look onto JESUS' whose words are 'spirit' and 'life' according to the knowledge of the Holy Scriptures which GOD have given to us as HIS New Covenant to 'abide' and 'practice'.
Repent to GOD and not to me who is just the 'vessel' who only helped you all the words of love correction of our LORD, to 'turn back' from violating the every written words of 'spirit' and 'life' written in the New Covenant, only possible to understand them all as sound doctrine Spiritual knowledge by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT, in your quiet time reading, that first of all 'mirrors' and 'witness' and 'exposes' our lives, in order to 'remove the log in our own eyes first, before we desire a 'highly accountable' position in the Kingdom of GOD, to become pastors and teachers.
You do not have to ask me the questions you have asked, when all you women should already know the answer because they all given in the New Covenant and Helped by the HOLY SPIRIT to know. HE loves you and let you know now again and again by HIS unworthy servants.
HE has not allowed you women to hold such positions given to men because of our 'adversary' who is 'like a roaring lion', and he is able to 'beguile' women easily than men, as he cleverly tried 'deception' on Eve first and the possibility Eve then onto Adam. His motive is to get onto Adam who is the 'Head' who GOD spoke and speaks to. Eve genuinely as she was created at first she was clean like you as you were created from resurrection with CHRIST in 'spirit', before she was 'beguiled' by him. Yet you are still in the flesh/carnal like men and easily be 'beguiled' by satan first and his motive of deception that you then will get to us in deception to deceive.
That is why GOD;s Word is important HIS written commandments and instructions and to be remembered again and again and further practiced again and again, not to be opposed and violated, especially through and from 'beguiled deception' of the carnal/flesh 'self' and satan 'twist' using the Word of GOD, not as it is plainly and simply said and is written for our understanding and witnessing.
Men and Women, if you still do not perceive 'AGAPE' corrections for repentance and to spiritual maturity, through sound doctrine Spiritual Knowledge of the Kingdom of GOD, spoken in 'prophesy' in 'building up', then what JESUS prayed upon witnessing the unready people in blindness and deafness to HIS words of 'spirit' and 'life', that they must believe and receive, so to turn back from 'hypocrisy', but sadly that;
"Thank you FATHER that you have hid these from the wise and prudent and showed them to ordinary people."
Shocking! that these New Covenant established Spiritual sound doctrine knowledge foundation of true Christianity and their written 'spirit' and 'life' words of CHRIST, that over the missing years of Apostles, the church carnal/flesh hypocritical 'Pharisees', have hid these from you, neglecting you not to discover their hidden 'hypocrisy' faith and again time after time in services they only quote what you want to hear and see in your carnal/flesh 'passions' and 'desires' and only prosper for them in order to purchase and build bigger and fancier buildings and also purchase 'state of the art' equipments in them.
And so you who are allowed to be comfortable in carnal/flesh, will go on saying;
Wow!
As the disciples said in admiration of the Temple that King Herod, referred as the 'fox' by CHRIST build, in order to display his 'hypocritical glory' to the carnal/flesh passionate and desired men and women that even CHRIST's disciples were deceived, whom CHRIST restored them by saying that;
"Not even one stone will be left standing."
This is because, all of us Christian by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT and revelation from GOD/CHRIST, supposedly already must know that the New Testament 'testifies' that the true 'Heavenly Temple' of GOD is the 'abiding' in 'Grace' and 'Truth' 'Body of CHRIST' and none other of this world.
You all cannot hide forever, for the 'every word that proceeded from th emouth of GOD' is like onto a 'double edged sword' that can cut through any amour of 'hypocrisy' and discover them, always giving them a chance to repent.
As it is written, said to the ignorant religious Pharisees then in condemnation by CHRIST, that HE also cautions the church religious 'Pharisees' of today again, if they persist contentions against the Word(CHRIST) of GOD, that;
"Since you claim, you could see, then you will die with their sins unforgiven".
You and your supporting friends are not even in humble and humility according to all of them and wanting to become and support women pastors and teachers, when you all are not taught yourselves to bury 'self' and excel in the 'spirit'. Ever learning and don't even understand clearly the New Covenant sound doctrine Spiritual knowledge,
Men or women who desire to become 'teachers', first of all 'teach' your 'itching self', in order to be submissive and obedient to your Heavenly FATHER's New Covenant words of 'spirit' and 'life' 'to be practice orders'.
That is why i 'prophesy' to you and your supporters, which earlier i have proclaim based on your blind ignorance to GOD's New Covenant, in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST and it is written that;
"Only accumulating troubles for yourselves on judgement day."
So while you all 'hypocrites' still have a chance to turn back tot the Teachings of CHRIST, 'the author and finisher of our faith' the written and taught by the HOLY SPIRIT New Covenant, all because of Grace and Truth still available to the carnal/flesh Gentiles and they consist of 'ever learning Christians'.
i am in service for you and not against you, and only notifying as a New Testament unworthy prophet, 'look onto JESUS' whose words are 'spirit' and 'life' according to the knowledge of the Holy Scriptures which GOD have given to us as HIS New Covenant to 'abide' and 'practice'.
Repent to GOD and not to me who is just the 'vessel' who only helped you all the words of love correction of our LORD, to 'turn back' from violating the every written words of 'spirit' and 'life' written in the New Covenant, only possible to understand them all as sound doctrine Spiritual knowledge by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT, in your quiet time reading, that first of all 'mirrors' and 'witness' and 'exposes' our lives, in order to 'remove the log in our own eyes first, before we desire a 'highly accountable' position in the Kingdom of GOD, to become pastors and teachers.
You do not have to ask me the questions you have asked, when all you women should already know the answer because they all given in the New Covenant and Helped by the HOLY SPIRIT to know. HE loves you and let you know now again and again by HIS unworthy servants.
HE has not allowed you women to hold such positions given to men because of our 'adversary' who is 'like a roaring lion', and he is able to 'beguile' women easily than men, as he cleverly tried 'deception' on Eve first and the possibility Eve then onto Adam. His motive is to get onto Adam who is the 'Head' who GOD spoke and speaks to. Eve genuinely as she was created at first she was clean like you as you were created from resurrection with CHRIST in 'spirit', before she was 'beguiled' by him. Yet you are still in the flesh/carnal like men and easily be 'beguiled' by satan first and his motive of deception that you then will get to us in deception to deceive.
That is why GOD;s Word is important HIS written commandments and instructions and to be remembered again and again and further practiced again and again, not to be opposed and violated, especially through and from 'beguiled deception' of the carnal/flesh 'self' and satan 'twist' using the Word of GOD, not as it is plainly and simply said and is written for our understanding and witnessing.
Men and Women, if you still do not perceive 'AGAPE' corrections for repentance and to spiritual maturity, through sound doctrine Spiritual Knowledge of the Kingdom of GOD, spoken in 'prophesy' in 'building up', then what JESUS prayed upon witnessing the unready people in blindness and deafness to HIS words of 'spirit' and 'life', that they must believe and receive, so to turn back from 'hypocrisy', but sadly that;
"Thank you FATHER that you have hid these from the wise and prudent and showed them to ordinary people."
Shocking! that these New Covenant established Spiritual sound doctrine knowledge foundation of true Christianity and their written 'spirit' and 'life' words of CHRIST, that over the missing years of Apostles, the church carnal/flesh hypocritical 'Pharisees', have hid these from you, neglecting you not to discover their hidden 'hypocrisy' faith and again time after time in services they only quote what you want to hear and see in your carnal/flesh 'passions' and 'desires' and only prosper for them in order to purchase and build bigger and fancier buildings and also purchase 'state of the art' equipments in them.
And so you who are allowed to be comfortable in carnal/flesh, will go on saying;
Wow!
As the disciples said in admiration of the Temple that King Herod, referred as the 'fox' by CHRIST build, in order to display his 'hypocritical glory' to the carnal/flesh passionate and desired men and women that even CHRIST's disciples were deceived, whom CHRIST restored them by saying that;
"Not even one stone will be left standing."
This is because, all of us Christian by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT and revelation from GOD/CHRIST, supposedly already must know that the New Testament 'testifies' that the true 'Heavenly Temple' of GOD is the 'abiding' in 'Grace' and 'Truth' 'Body of CHRIST' and none other of this world.
You all cannot hide forever, for the 'every word that proceeded from th emouth of GOD' is like onto a 'double edged sword' that can cut through any amour of 'hypocrisy' and discover them, always giving them a chance to repent.
As it is written, said to the ignorant religious Pharisees then in condemnation by CHRIST, that HE also cautions the church religious 'Pharisees' of today again, if they persist contentions against the Word(CHRIST) of GOD, that;
"Since you claim, you could see, then you will die with their sins unforgiven".
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I found this interesting article:
Jesus’ encounter with the woman at the well is, in my opinion, one of the most remarkable, socially unacceptable, counter-cultural instances told in scripture. As if being a woman during this period was not bad enough, to be a Samaritan woman was a double curse. Jews did not associate with Samaritans and would never share a drinking vessel with them, lest they, too, become unclean. Samaritans were considered “half-breeds” and were avoided at all costs.
Jesus meets the Samaritan woman at Jacob’s well and asks her to give him a drink. She is stunned, informing him that she is a Samaritan woman and He is a Jew, so how could He ask her for a drink. Jesus then teaches her the lesson of living water, tells her about her five husbands, and finally reveals to her that a time is coming when people will be able to worship God in spirit and truth, only through the power of God’s spirit. (That’s quite a heavy conversation, one He had not even shared with the 12).
When she proclaims that she knows there is a day when a Messiah will come, Jesus says, “I am He.”
Again, this is more information than even the disciples are aware of at this point. She runs back to town and tells many of the men (plural, so probably men and women) about Jesus, confessing that He knew everything about her.
“From that city many of the Samaritans believed in Him because of the word of the woman who testified, “He told me all the things that I have done” (John 4:39).
It’s interesting that the conversation with the woman at the well is the longest recorded discussion Jesus had with anyone—and she, a Gentile woman. Further, the lesson Jesus gave her about living water was just as profound as the lesson he gave Nicodemus—and the woman had a better response. Unlike Nicodemus, she was willing to be associated with Jesus. She told her neighbors about Jesus, and many of them believed in Jesus ‘because of the woman’s testimony.’
The most fascinating part of this story is that while she ran back to town to tell others to come see the one who could be the long-awaited Messiah, Jesus is praising her work through a parable to his returning dumbfounded-disciples, who are marveling at the fact that Jesus would be talking to a Samaritan woman, apparently alone! Scandalous. This is surely not only a social violation, but a theological violation. Yet, the disciples were too chicken to ask aloud: “Why would He be talking to this woman….??”
So, Jesus schools them about the unlikely partnerships and co-working in The Great Upside Down Kingdom of God….
“Do you not say, ‘There are yet four months, and then comes the harvest’? Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes and look on the fields, that they are white for harvest. Already he [original translation: “one”] who reaps is receiving wages and is gathering fruit for life eternal; so that he who sows and he who reaps may rejoice together.” So in this case the saying is true, ‘One sows and another reaps.’ “I sent you to reap that for which you have not labored; others have labored and you have entered into their labor.”
Jesus, The Ultimate Seed Sower, plants His Word into the woman’s heart, who in turn plants His Word in the hearts of others. This must have been a trying and puzzling lesson for the disciples, who previously wouldn’t even have made eye contact with a Samaritan, let alone work alongside them, partnering up in the cause of God, to invite “half-breeds” to become followers of Jesus.
Isn’t the story of the woman at the well a reflection of what evangelism is really about? Churches that forbid or discourage women from preaching the gospel in the presence of men miss the entire point and essence of true evangelism. Preaching the Good News of Jesus should not be a means to gain or exercise authority/control over people. To portray it as such (since that IS the reason sited to bar women from becoming public evangelists), perverts the spirit in which evangelism should be acted out. Evangelism is about pointing people to JESUS. It’s about teaching people what the gospel is, what Jesus said and did, and to invite others to begin their own faith journey. How sectors of the church can restrict women from preaching the good news of the gospel in the presence of men is just tragic to me. The Samaritan woman’s sense of urgency, as she runs back to town to tell anyone who will listen about the Messiah, says it all. Where’s that urgency today? Are we too busy squabbling over which gender can say and do what in the presence of which people and in which forums? Titles and positions of preacher, teacher, pastor, evangelist and so forth, should not be viewed as ways to get authority, but as an avenue to live out the authority and calling of the gospel for those gifted and equipped in each area.
Why do we split such flimsy hairs when it comes to women in ministry: woman can preach the gospel, but they cannot BE a preacher. Women can DO evangelism. but cannot BE an evangelist. Women can SHARE the gospel, but cannot TEACH the gospel.
Don’t we want to reach as many people as we can? Why do we make teaching the Gospel a matter of “authority over others” and “proper gender roles”? (Again, I am speaking to the more rigid branches of complementarianism).
The woman at the well did not hold an “official” position (so don’t misunderstand my intent), but as one of the first people EVER for Jesus to choose to reveal Himself as the Messiah and as the first person to spread the news of Jesus beyond the Jewish people, she sets an important example of the true heart of ministry.
My testimony:
I also want to add that a poor young blind woman living in my neighborhood back in the late 1970's would walk the city streets like John the Baptist praising God and preaching the Redemption of Jesus Christ. Some thought she was crazy. Others thought her a harmless religious nut. But it was her abundant joy and effective preaching that the Lord used to bring me running to Him.
Jesus’ encounter with the woman at the well is, in my opinion, one of the most remarkable, socially unacceptable, counter-cultural instances told in scripture. As if being a woman during this period was not bad enough, to be a Samaritan woman was a double curse. Jews did not associate with Samaritans and would never share a drinking vessel with them, lest they, too, become unclean. Samaritans were considered “half-breeds” and were avoided at all costs.
Jesus meets the Samaritan woman at Jacob’s well and asks her to give him a drink. She is stunned, informing him that she is a Samaritan woman and He is a Jew, so how could He ask her for a drink. Jesus then teaches her the lesson of living water, tells her about her five husbands, and finally reveals to her that a time is coming when people will be able to worship God in spirit and truth, only through the power of God’s spirit. (That’s quite a heavy conversation, one He had not even shared with the 12).
When she proclaims that she knows there is a day when a Messiah will come, Jesus says, “I am He.”
Again, this is more information than even the disciples are aware of at this point. She runs back to town and tells many of the men (plural, so probably men and women) about Jesus, confessing that He knew everything about her.
“From that city many of the Samaritans believed in Him because of the word of the woman who testified, “He told me all the things that I have done” (John 4:39).
It’s interesting that the conversation with the woman at the well is the longest recorded discussion Jesus had with anyone—and she, a Gentile woman. Further, the lesson Jesus gave her about living water was just as profound as the lesson he gave Nicodemus—and the woman had a better response. Unlike Nicodemus, she was willing to be associated with Jesus. She told her neighbors about Jesus, and many of them believed in Jesus ‘because of the woman’s testimony.’
The most fascinating part of this story is that while she ran back to town to tell others to come see the one who could be the long-awaited Messiah, Jesus is praising her work through a parable to his returning dumbfounded-disciples, who are marveling at the fact that Jesus would be talking to a Samaritan woman, apparently alone! Scandalous. This is surely not only a social violation, but a theological violation. Yet, the disciples were too chicken to ask aloud: “Why would He be talking to this woman….??”
So, Jesus schools them about the unlikely partnerships and co-working in The Great Upside Down Kingdom of God….
“Do you not say, ‘There are yet four months, and then comes the harvest’? Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes and look on the fields, that they are white for harvest. Already he [original translation: “one”] who reaps is receiving wages and is gathering fruit for life eternal; so that he who sows and he who reaps may rejoice together.” So in this case the saying is true, ‘One sows and another reaps.’ “I sent you to reap that for which you have not labored; others have labored and you have entered into their labor.”
Jesus, The Ultimate Seed Sower, plants His Word into the woman’s heart, who in turn plants His Word in the hearts of others. This must have been a trying and puzzling lesson for the disciples, who previously wouldn’t even have made eye contact with a Samaritan, let alone work alongside them, partnering up in the cause of God, to invite “half-breeds” to become followers of Jesus.
Isn’t the story of the woman at the well a reflection of what evangelism is really about? Churches that forbid or discourage women from preaching the gospel in the presence of men miss the entire point and essence of true evangelism. Preaching the Good News of Jesus should not be a means to gain or exercise authority/control over people. To portray it as such (since that IS the reason sited to bar women from becoming public evangelists), perverts the spirit in which evangelism should be acted out. Evangelism is about pointing people to JESUS. It’s about teaching people what the gospel is, what Jesus said and did, and to invite others to begin their own faith journey. How sectors of the church can restrict women from preaching the good news of the gospel in the presence of men is just tragic to me. The Samaritan woman’s sense of urgency, as she runs back to town to tell anyone who will listen about the Messiah, says it all. Where’s that urgency today? Are we too busy squabbling over which gender can say and do what in the presence of which people and in which forums? Titles and positions of preacher, teacher, pastor, evangelist and so forth, should not be viewed as ways to get authority, but as an avenue to live out the authority and calling of the gospel for those gifted and equipped in each area.
Why do we split such flimsy hairs when it comes to women in ministry: woman can preach the gospel, but they cannot BE a preacher. Women can DO evangelism. but cannot BE an evangelist. Women can SHARE the gospel, but cannot TEACH the gospel.
Don’t we want to reach as many people as we can? Why do we make teaching the Gospel a matter of “authority over others” and “proper gender roles”? (Again, I am speaking to the more rigid branches of complementarianism).
The woman at the well did not hold an “official” position (so don’t misunderstand my intent), but as one of the first people EVER for Jesus to choose to reveal Himself as the Messiah and as the first person to spread the news of Jesus beyond the Jewish people, she sets an important example of the true heart of ministry.
My testimony:
I also want to add that a poor young blind woman living in my neighborhood back in the late 1970's would walk the city streets like John the Baptist praising God and preaching the Redemption of Jesus Christ. Some thought she was crazy. Others thought her a harmless religious nut. But it was her abundant joy and effective preaching that the Lord used to bring me running to Him.
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The HOLY SPIRIT through who?
Aren't they the commissioned 'preachers' of the Good News and Peace, who have journey into all nations, and lead people into 'GOD's Salvation'.
Apostle Paul said that; 'How can anyone hear about the Gospel if someone does not tell them. And how can someone tell them, unless CHRIST sends them'.
He also said while laboring with Apollos that; "I plant the seed and Apollos waters them and only GOD helps the plant to grow."
The HOLY SPIRIT gift placed in Apostle Paul will keep on 'planting' and the gift placed in Apollos will keep on also 'watering', and that is their given faithful duties as servants, but overall only GOD decides one's Salvation.
For sure this is not given and done through 'weirdos'.
i hope in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST, you will discover them, and may they come into repentance to GOD before it is too late for them to turn back.
Aren't they the commissioned 'preachers' of the Good News and Peace, who have journey into all nations, and lead people into 'GOD's Salvation'.
Apostle Paul said that; 'How can anyone hear about the Gospel if someone does not tell them. And how can someone tell them, unless CHRIST sends them'.
He also said while laboring with Apollos that; "I plant the seed and Apollos waters them and only GOD helps the plant to grow."
The HOLY SPIRIT gift placed in Apostle Paul will keep on 'planting' and the gift placed in Apollos will keep on also 'watering', and that is their given faithful duties as servants, but overall only GOD decides one's Salvation.
For sure this is not given and done through 'weirdos'.
i hope in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST, you will discover them, and may they come into repentance to GOD before it is too late for them to turn back.
And finally the word ends with 'GOD', means HE created all, man first and form man came woman and then all of them and all things, even 'babies woven' while in their mother's womb, and also the 'sperm' that both married partner 'release' and whether HE wills them to 'meet'.
And also who created you in your mommy's womb and that is also HIS created 'womb'.
As it is written;
"if you think you are wise to the things of this world, you need to become foolish first."
Still want to continue in your babes in CHRIST 'childish' ways of false testifying, even when they are only in elementary Kingdom knowledge?
'satan has 'beguiled' you women, who senselessly debate and testify what he tell you to do, but i testify what i see with my FATHER, who is of the New Covenant and also for references of the Old'.
And also who created you in your mommy's womb and that is also HIS created 'womb'.
As it is written;
"if you think you are wise to the things of this world, you need to become foolish first."
Still want to continue in your babes in CHRIST 'childish' ways of false testifying, even when they are only in elementary Kingdom knowledge?
'satan has 'beguiled' you women, who senselessly debate and testify what he tell you to do, but i testify what i see with my FATHER, who is of the New Covenant and also for references of the Old'.
And finally did she become CHRIST's disciples, Apostles, teacher, pastor and etc?
Did JESUS commissioned her and Mary Magdalene and Priscilla in their testimonies to complete the New Covenant?
Did JESUS commissioned them to preach the Gospel to all nations?
Did JESUS commissioned them to 'build' and 'govern' churches?
Weren't they chosen men personally by CHRIST, who were commissioned to complete them for HIM?
These Biblical women were actually truly repentful and faithful 'messengers', that in their excitement upon discovering the 'MESSIAH', they testified for HIM, who gave them life, dignity and respect, by a natural means of action, of an ancient 'clothed' woman, and in a repentful unworthy, humble and humility manner. They would not boldly brag like you even using Scriptures quote taken out of context in desperation to turn against the 'elect', men and women alike.
True faithful woman of CHRIST, will not continue with you, who continuously want to debate with men, because they know who are the 'elect' men of GOD, who are placed as the 'head' of the family and the 'Head' of the church.
Did JESUS commissioned her and Mary Magdalene and Priscilla in their testimonies to complete the New Covenant?
Did JESUS commissioned them to preach the Gospel to all nations?
Did JESUS commissioned them to 'build' and 'govern' churches?
Weren't they chosen men personally by CHRIST, who were commissioned to complete them for HIM?
These Biblical women were actually truly repentful and faithful 'messengers', that in their excitement upon discovering the 'MESSIAH', they testified for HIM, who gave them life, dignity and respect, by a natural means of action, of an ancient 'clothed' woman, and in a repentful unworthy, humble and humility manner. They would not boldly brag like you even using Scriptures quote taken out of context in desperation to turn against the 'elect', men and women alike.
True faithful woman of CHRIST, will not continue with you, who continuously want to debate with men, because they know who are the 'elect' men of GOD, who are placed as the 'head' of the family and the 'Head' of the church.
There is something 'self' pride mentally wrong with you, to even add words into my mouth and also the mouth of the Samaritan women. Please seek JESUS in repentance, the true 'physician' who can help.
1. Actually you should keep silent in church, as CHRIST of the New Covenant have said to you kind of, remain in carnal/flesh passionate and desired women.
2. In a moment you have been easily 'beguiled' by the devil himself even to lie in your reply, that the Samaritan women proclaimed, JESUS CHRIST the LORD. You have just added this as and to the Scripture. Are you not behaving like the 'spirit of jezebel' within the church, who is taking authority into her own hands and deciding for CHRIST?
3. The 'word' she proclaimed to her city in testimony/word about JESUS and it is written was, 'HE told me all that i ever did.' As how a prophet would say and that is also what she called HIM earlier at the well saying, 'Sir, I 'perceive' that you are a prophet'. And many Samaritans upon her testimony/word, as written and as above, believed in JESUS first, as to her own testimony/word.
4. Later when they asked HIM to stay with them, HE stayed with them, because of them and the women, who are the segregated descendants of Jacob by the Jews, for two days. Then, my personal question to you is, did HE spend that two precious days in 'Blain's Cafe' so called, 'having a break' or 'a chill out time' and whatever they serve there?
5. Or as according Verse 41, that says Because of JESUS's own testimony/word (i believe took place for two days), 'many more' believed in HIM, as truly who HE is, that they proclaim to the woman back in 'revelation' written in verse 42.
6. This is the same written documentation proof i proclaim to you my dearly beloved babes in CHRIST Samaritan women.
Conclusion
Witnesses men and woman please be loyal and faithful to your heavenly FATHER's every Word of HIS Covenant that proceeded out of HIS mouth. Please tell me how can these women can ever pastor or teach or preach GOD's lambs and sheep when they themselves being proud are very weak in 'spirit', when their simple testimony/word from their own quotation and interpretation of the Scripture seems to be 'false' and in 'error'.
Who is truly 'beguiled' here and are 'deceiving' and are 'spiteful' in desperate contention against GOD's 'elect'?
As it is written and remembered by CHRIST's disciples upon witnessing CHRIST's righteous jealousy anger shown towards HIS own at the Temple that;
"My FATHER's house burns in me like fire."
And as HE earlier rebuked them that;
"Do not make my FATHER's house a market place and a den where robbers and thieves hide."
Isn't that JESUS's spoken commandment 'do not' and also many other commandments written in the New Covenant that sums up to the two commandments HE gave to HIS disciples?
Please do not waste time with or as 'beguiled clowns' still in bondage, because now is the time to turn back to the Living GOD of the 'every' Holy Scripture and according to the Holy Scriptures as Covenant with HIS people that is written in the Holy Bible.
1. Actually you should keep silent in church, as CHRIST of the New Covenant have said to you kind of, remain in carnal/flesh passionate and desired women.
2. In a moment you have been easily 'beguiled' by the devil himself even to lie in your reply, that the Samaritan women proclaimed, JESUS CHRIST the LORD. You have just added this as and to the Scripture. Are you not behaving like the 'spirit of jezebel' within the church, who is taking authority into her own hands and deciding for CHRIST?
3. The 'word' she proclaimed to her city in testimony/word about JESUS and it is written was, 'HE told me all that i ever did.' As how a prophet would say and that is also what she called HIM earlier at the well saying, 'Sir, I 'perceive' that you are a prophet'. And many Samaritans upon her testimony/word, as written and as above, believed in JESUS first, as to her own testimony/word.
4. Later when they asked HIM to stay with them, HE stayed with them, because of them and the women, who are the segregated descendants of Jacob by the Jews, for two days. Then, my personal question to you is, did HE spend that two precious days in 'Blain's Cafe' so called, 'having a break' or 'a chill out time' and whatever they serve there?
5. Or as according Verse 41, that says Because of JESUS's own testimony/word (i believe took place for two days), 'many more' believed in HIM, as truly who HE is, that they proclaim to the woman back in 'revelation' written in verse 42.
6. This is the same written documentation proof i proclaim to you my dearly beloved babes in CHRIST Samaritan women.
Conclusion
Witnesses men and woman please be loyal and faithful to your heavenly FATHER's every Word of HIS Covenant that proceeded out of HIS mouth. Please tell me how can these women can ever pastor or teach or preach GOD's lambs and sheep when they themselves being proud are very weak in 'spirit', when their simple testimony/word from their own quotation and interpretation of the Scripture seems to be 'false' and in 'error'.
Who is truly 'beguiled' here and are 'deceiving' and are 'spiteful' in desperate contention against GOD's 'elect'?
As it is written and remembered by CHRIST's disciples upon witnessing CHRIST's righteous jealousy anger shown towards HIS own at the Temple that;
"My FATHER's house burns in me like fire."
And as HE earlier rebuked them that;
"Do not make my FATHER's house a market place and a den where robbers and thieves hide."
Isn't that JESUS's spoken commandment 'do not' and also many other commandments written in the New Covenant that sums up to the two commandments HE gave to HIS disciples?
Please do not waste time with or as 'beguiled clowns' still in bondage, because now is the time to turn back to the Living GOD of the 'every' Holy Scripture and according to the Holy Scriptures as Covenant with HIS people that is written in the Holy Bible.
Your debating strategy appears to be baffle them with verbosity.
The Great Commission was given to all disciples of Jesus Christ, then and now, male and female.
The key words in the Great Commission are preach, teach, and baptize.
You are saying that women can not participate in the Great Commission, right?
Do you think that anybody who has posted on this thread agrees with you?
If so, who?
I don't know about anybody else, but I would appreciate it very much if you keep your reply, if any, to 100 words or less.
The Great Commission was given to all disciples of Jesus Christ, then and now, male and female.
The key words in the Great Commission are preach, teach, and baptize.
You are saying that women can not participate in the Great Commission, right?
Do you think that anybody who has posted on this thread agrees with you?
If so, who?
I don't know about anybody else, but I would appreciate it very much if you keep your reply, if any, to 100 words or less.
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Faith and Belief
1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
6Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Christ Redeemed Us
(Deuteronomy 21:22-23)
10For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
The Purpose of the Law
(Romans 7:1-6)
15Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. 16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 18For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. 20Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. 21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Sons Through Faith in Christ
26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
6Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Christ Redeemed Us
(Deuteronomy 21:22-23)
10For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
The Purpose of the Law
(Romans 7:1-6)
15Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. 16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 18For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. 20Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. 21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Sons Through Faith in Christ
26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Sadly you are misinterpreting my given replies from the written New Covenant and adding words.
As it is written and summed up, what women are not allowed to do in church/a gathering;
"Women are not allowed to teach or practice authority over men and tell them what to do."
You are teaching me and telling me what to do. That justifies according to the New Covenant those who are in 'lawlessness'. And 'lawlessness' is 'sin', as it is written and taught by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT.
If you were wise obedient to the Word of GOD, you will not continue with me a man in contention. This proves how you and others are easily get 'beguile' by the 'flesh/carnal' resulting to 'lawlessness'.
As it is written in the epistle of James that;
"Not all of you 'brothers' should become 'teachers', for 'teachers' will be greatly judged."
How more specific do you and others want for GOD to get into your hearts?
There is no Scripture in the New Covenant to prove women are allowed or given the commission to 'preach'
But there are plenty of Scriptures in the New Covenant that instructs what they should be doing in submission and obedience to their 'heads' men and their 'heads' to CHRIST and CHRIST to the FATHER.
As it is written and summed up, what women are not allowed to do in church/a gathering;
"Women are not allowed to teach or practice authority over men and tell them what to do."
You are teaching me and telling me what to do. That justifies according to the New Covenant those who are in 'lawlessness'. And 'lawlessness' is 'sin', as it is written and taught by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT.
If you were wise obedient to the Word of GOD, you will not continue with me a man in contention. This proves how you and others are easily get 'beguile' by the 'flesh/carnal' resulting to 'lawlessness'.
As it is written in the epistle of James that;
"Not all of you 'brothers' should become 'teachers', for 'teachers' will be greatly judged."
How more specific do you and others want for GOD to get into your hearts?
There is no Scripture in the New Covenant to prove women are allowed or given the commission to 'preach'
But there are plenty of Scriptures in the New Covenant that instructs what they should be doing in submission and obedience to their 'heads' men and their 'heads' to CHRIST and CHRIST to the FATHER.
i remember you 'spirit of jezebel', you pagan gods worshiper who deceive Israel one time and now you are in the church according to the book of Revelation and you just used a pagan farewell word widely used by the chinese here, that is 'good luck'. Did you just use a 'curse' word forbid by the LORD that is of 'false gods' on your Christian sister?
How ignorant and 'beguiled' faithful believer 'kaylagrl can be?
In the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST may GOD the FATHER of HIS lambs and sheep 'rebuke' you.
How ignorant and 'beguiled' faithful believer 'kaylagrl can be?
In the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST may GOD the FATHER of HIS lambs and sheep 'rebuke' you.
V
Ya know fredjames, I'm interested to know how much time on average you spend on your knees in humility before the Lord before you post your fiery messages of rebuke to this forum. If I had never been humbled by the Holy Spirit and it wasn't made known to me by the Lord how far mankind's thoughts are to the mind of Jesus Christ, I would be alarmed at your total lack of graciousness. But I know that God is able, in a blink of an eye, to change a man into His image. And what a gift of grace and mercy that is, to have a change of heart when the Holy Spirit falls onto you and consumes you. I hope you find that out soon, for Christ's sake. ♥
