A woman as a Pastor? Does it make it right if there is a need for pastors?
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You feel persecuted and so do others on the other side of the issue.And irregardless of what a feminist may say on the subject I am not a feminist. But there are things in this thread that have been said against women that should never be said.If a non Christian read some things here I dont think they would see men acting Christlike and respecting women.Very disappointing some of the nasty things said here by "Christian" men. Its quite sad really.Sometimes in here it seems there is no more freedom for a Christian woman than a Muslim woman.And Islam is a man made religion made to totally satisfy men.It scares me to think Christian men think this way.And Im not even talking about the subject of preachers.Some men have showed themselves on here and they ought to be ashamed.
I just wanted to point out that I do not believe that Islam is a man made religion. I totally believe that an angel came to Mohammed, but that angel was not Gabriel, or any angel of God.
I do not believe that a man came up with all of that merely to impose his will on everyone, I believe that a fallen angel gave him those teachings, and that Mohammad did truly believe these angels were Gods angels, probly because he did not have a real understanding of Christ and the prophets.
I do not believe that a man came up with all of that merely to impose his will on everyone, I believe that a fallen angel gave him those teachings, and that Mohammad did truly believe these angels were Gods angels, probly because he did not have a real understanding of Christ and the prophets.
Not to mention the many quotes of the Quran that hint at satan being the author, such as allah calling himself the "most proud", the "destroyer", that the one he despises most is the one who calls Himself the "king of kings", and the fact that Islams literal purpose was to undo what Christ has done for us, saying that it was not Christ who died on the cross, but the people saw Him die on the cross because allah made the man on the cross look like Christ, but is now angry at the world for believing what he himself did and says he is going to destroy us for even though he tells us he is the one who made that happen.
We should not blame a gender for the creation of a false prophet. Muhammad did hand out that word, yes. But he didnt create it.
We should not blame a gender for the creation of a false prophet. Muhammad did hand out that word, yes. But he didnt create it.
Kaylagrl,
It is not only about women, though that is certainly present. There are several on this forum who have the arrogance to insult everyone who disagrees with them.
I think that there is a big difference between directing vitriol against women and defending the authority of Scripture
From my observation Tribesman is certainly not guilty of ill feelings toward women; but he does as I do (and as I believe you do) consider Scripture authoritative.
You know what's funny? As you know I theologically support female pastors, and yet I have personally endured the seething hatred of ungodly feminist pastors and church leaders, and because of them, my work in the ministry has been drastically altered, to say the least. Yet be that as it may, I have seen the fruits of many good women pastors and those fruits far out way the demonic intricacies of said haters.
I believe that it is a religion entirely written by satan. It is a perversion on the things God does, like with gender roles, where God says He wants man to be like this, and women to be like this, satan came and made it perverted, treating women like they mean less to God, all while trying to make it look like the "righteous" ways that God would do, and of course putting all the focus again on following the law over accepting the grace given to us.
I would agree whole hardheartedly that Islam took what God created and made it perverted, and one of the many reasons he put those false laws on women was to get people questioning it, and rebelling with what was even given to us by Christ. I am 100% certian that Islam was made both to mislead men into a false religion, while also creating something so evil that it would mislead the other half to believe religion is such a horrible thing that enslaves people and causes them to do hateful things. God does tell us that satan was given great wisdom, sadly he knows how to mislead those whoa re not following the truth.
I would agree whole hardheartedly that Islam took what God created and made it perverted, and one of the many reasons he put those false laws on women was to get people questioning it, and rebelling with what was even given to us by Christ. I am 100% certian that Islam was made both to mislead men into a false religion, while also creating something so evil that it would mislead the other half to believe religion is such a horrible thing that enslaves people and causes them to do hateful things. God does tell us that satan was given great wisdom, sadly he knows how to mislead those whoa re not following the truth.
K
Tribesmen has said things in this thread that would make me not take him seriously.I have problem with discussing an issue or people being on the other side of an issue. Read my posts and I think you'll find that to be true.If you are strong on what you believe a Scripture says I dont have a problem with that.I'll try to point out what I see,give Bible verses etc. but I do not send people to hell.I do not call people anti Christ.I dont tell people that they hate Jesus.Some of the things Tribesman has said on here are so over the top and to me not very Christlike.IMO I'm sure he'll disagree.But I think there has been disrespect to women in this thread,not concerning preaching,but other things that have been said.It concerns me that some people have agreed with some things said in this thread.As a woman I find it offensive and other women and men on here have PMd me to say the same thing. Look back over some of the posts and see if you dont agree with me.I thank you that you have been sensible and respectful and I in turn respect you and your thoughts.
The Bible doesn't prohibit women being pastors. Some of the earliest Apostles who carried forth the good news of Christ were women.
The scriptures that deny a woman the right to teach in church are derived from the epistles or letters of Paul, a Pharisee. Who's old tradition was sexist and placed women as second class citizens in every way. From how women were treated during menstruation, afterward, and even in their place in the home and family.
What is important here is what Christ decreed. In as much as even Paul rejected his own prior proclamations against women teachers when he said to the church at Galatia. Galatians 3:28 There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus
If we are all one in Christ Jesus and a woman feels called to the ministry then it is by Christ that she is called.
God used a woman to bring the king of kings into the world. It is ridiculous to imagine God would then say that women aren't fit to deliver God's words to the world when she was first thought to be fit to deliver the savior of the world to the world.
The scriptures that deny a woman the right to teach in church are derived from the epistles or letters of Paul, a Pharisee. Who's old tradition was sexist and placed women as second class citizens in every way. From how women were treated during menstruation, afterward, and even in their place in the home and family.
What is important here is what Christ decreed. In as much as even Paul rejected his own prior proclamations against women teachers when he said to the church at Galatia. Galatians 3:28 There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus
If we are all one in Christ Jesus and a woman feels called to the ministry then it is by Christ that she is called.
God used a woman to bring the king of kings into the world. It is ridiculous to imagine God would then say that women aren't fit to deliver God's words to the world when she was first thought to be fit to deliver the savior of the world to the world.
So you dont believe that Paul was called by Christ, to spread His message, that though Paul was a great sinner, that he was forgiven through Grace, and went out to spread Christ's teachings, that salvation comes to us by following Christ alone?
All of men were children of wrath before coming to Christ. Christ did not come for the saints, but the sinners. Paul is exactly who Christ came for. Though Paul is NOT Christ, I do not believe it is a good idea to say he was not Christ's chosen messenger.
All of men were children of wrath before coming to Christ. Christ did not come for the saints, but the sinners. Paul is exactly who Christ came for. Though Paul is NOT Christ, I do not believe it is a good idea to say he was not Christ's chosen messenger.
K
Here is an instance with tribesman....
MadParrotWoman~I'm happy to announce that I listened to a lady preach at my church this morning and she did a mighty fine job too! Sorry haters - not lol
Tribesman~What did you learn then? Still calling those who do not agree with you "haters". I see this demeaning spirit in you in just about every post you have made here. Contributing nothing to the thread as such more than contention.
MadParrotWoman~Haha well thank you for the compliment - note the "lol
" in my post? This indicates it was a tongue-in-cheek remark and not to be taken seriously.MadParrotWoman~Take it how you want to - I'm really not that bothered. I was simply explaining it was a cheeky post. I don't much like your attitude either so it kind of makes us even. You didn't have to reply - it wasn't referring to you in
particular.
Tribesman~Yes, you're not bothered at all that you contributed nothing to the thread but demeaning those who happen not to agree with you because you are very intolerant. And you obviously lack any shame or decency.
MadParrotWoman~Thank you, I love you too.
Tribesman~Sigh. Continue same evil you do. Bye.
Now I came here several months ago.I dont know that MadParrotWoman and I have agreed on every post but probably I would say the majority of times we agree.But this I do know,she is not an evil woman.She has a sweet spirit.Everyone on here loves her and respects her.Do you think Tribesman was showing a Christlike spirit? I dont. That is an example of what I am talking about since you indicated you hadn't seen Tribesman say anything out of bounds.And he is not the only one.Read back as I said and see if you dont think some of the posts were disrespectful of women.Webers "perfect woman" which I hope he was only joking about,comes to mind.
Kaylagrl,
I have read through the entire thread and I did NOT find any instance of tribesman being disrespectful to anyone even when he was being heckled. In the instance you cited he quite properly took umbrage at the epithet 'haters.' Both Mad Parrot Woman, and Jack H have been snide and rude to everyone who disagrees with them and both deserve to be called on it.
I have seen many truly ugly posts both on this thread and elsewhere; but in my opinion they have not come from tribesman.
I don't agree with him as often as I agree with you; but I see no reason to accuse him of impropriety.
I have read through the entire thread and I did NOT find any instance of tribesman being disrespectful to anyone even when he was being heckled. In the instance you cited he quite properly took umbrage at the epithet 'haters.' Both Mad Parrot Woman, and Jack H have been snide and rude to everyone who disagrees with them and both deserve to be called on it.
I have seen many truly ugly posts both on this thread and elsewhere; but in my opinion they have not come from tribesman.
I don't agree with him as often as I agree with you; but I see no reason to accuse him of impropriety.
K
MadParrotWoman has a wonderful spirit.She was being tongue in cheek,she said so.She is not given to heckling anyone.Tribesman had said things that had upset her before that comment.I dont think he had the right to tell her to continue doing the evil she does.That is not calling someone out,that was rude.So we'll have to agree to disagree on that I guess.That doesn't change our relationship though and I still appreciate your civility when we discuss topics.
