Abomination of Desolation

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iamsoandso

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The question is who is the king of the south and who is the king of the north. Whoever that kings “arms” are is who placed Jesus on the cross. I would suspect that the arms were the Roman soldiers and both kings are some how tied into the jewish leadership - scribes and Pharisees.

lol, The Roman Caesars bloodlines are pretty well documented, the Herodian's were descendants of Esau who were forced to convert to Judaism from the times of Maccabees...
 
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lol, The Roman Caesars bloodlines are pretty well documented, the Herodian's were descendants of Esau who were forced to convert to Judaism from the times of Maccabees...
Well there you go. Arms stood on their part and placed Jesus on the cross. The Abomination that left Jerusalem desolate.

Now what we need to figure out is what does it mean that they ended the daily sacrifice. This is a puzzle piece that I’ve not yet figured out yet.
 

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Well there you go. Arms stood on their part and placed Jesus on the cross. The Abomination that left Jerusalem desolate.

Now what we need to figure out is what does it mean that they ended the daily sacrifice. This is a puzzle piece that I’ve not yet figured out yet.

Who is the head of the beast who received the deadly wound and when did it receive it?
 

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I haven’t looked into that yet.
anti-Christ who will counterfeit Christ this is the fake resurrection Rev tells us anti-Christ was is not now will again it tells that Christ was, is and will be again. The difference being the middle. Both have been here, Christ is ascended but being God he is everywhere but anti- Christ is a created being and can only be where he is, is the Bottomless pit/ Abyss being held prisoner waiting for the time of his release the beginning of the last week of Years.
 

iamsoandso

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I haven’t looked into that yet.
It's something none of the four major camps speak of much isn't it? It's in the pit in Revelation 17:8 and it's said by the angel that it would ascend out of the pit so the angel seems to think it had already been put there when Revelation was shown to John. "and even he is the eight and of the seven",,,and the ten had received no kingdom as yet.

Now in Revelation 13 one of the heads had a deadly wound and then the two horned beast said "let us make and image..." and it came back to life.
 
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It's something none of the four major camps speak of much isn't it? It's in the pit in Revelation 17:8 and it's said by the angel that it would ascend out of the pit so the angel seems to think it had already been put there when Revelation was shown to John. "and even he is the eight and of the seven",,,and the ten had received no kingdom as yet.

Now in Revelation 13 one of the heads had a deadly wound and then the two horned beast said "let us make and image..." and it came back to life.
I think one time you said it was Israel and I really think that’s a good possibility.

Israel was, then was not and now is. And Israel is the beast that rules the world right now and he has made an image of himself and dispensationalist worship that beast.

Thank you so much soandso I think you have shown me something that I’ve wondered about for years. I’m not saying for sure that this is true but I now lean waaaay more towards that view.
 

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I think one time you said it was Israel and I really think that’s a good possibility.

Israel was, then was not and now is. And Israel is the beast that rules the world right now and he has made an image of himself and dispensationalist worship that beast.

Thank you so much soandso I think you have shown me something that I’ve wondered about for years. I’m not saying for sure that this is true but I now lean waaaay more towards that view.

But don't forget there is a new Jerusalem that will come down from heaven and in that day there will be one to many Israels.
 
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But don't forget there is a new Jerusalem that will come down from heaven and in that day there will be one to many Israels.
Jesus came to rebuild the tabernacle of David.

Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,


Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:


Act 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

I’m pretty sure that’s New Jerusalem, and it’s already here.
 

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Jesus came to rebuild the tabernacle of David.

Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,


Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:


Act 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

I’m pretty sure that’s New Jerusalem, and it’s already here.

I know you do I remember when we spoke of it last. Remember Acts 3:21 if it's here then the beast,it's mark nor image,,ten horns,the eight ect. must be resolved prior to it's coming,,,,do they come before the New Heavens and New Earth or after in Scripture?
 

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Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is said to not be forgiven in the age they were in when Jesus said it nor the one that was coming. In the New Heavens and New Earth, if this is the age after the age they were in when the Lord said this, will you still face judgment, is there something that will not be forgiven in the New Heavens and New Earth?
 
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The math takes us to 32 AD, the last year animal sacrifices would be accepted. After the Cross the following year, the curtain was torn and the Rabbinical system was no longer recognized. This completes the lesson for the 70 weeks.
So how does the "following year" after the cross line up with what Daniel said?

(Dan 9:26 Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined)

How was the city and sanctuary destroyed in the year after the cross, maybe I'm not following you here?

What end came "with a flood" in AD 33?

(Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.)

If we honor Daniel's statements then the "decreed" time included the war of AD 66-70 and the destruction of the city as per 9:26
 
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I know you do I remember when we spoke of it last. Remember Acts 3:21 if it's here then the beast,it's mark nor image,,ten horns,the eight ect. must be resolved prior to it's coming,,,,do they come before the New Heavens and New Earth or after in Scripture?
The new heavens and the new earth are already here, so if Israel is the beast then that comes later.

The kingdom of God/Heaven (they are the same) was taken from the Jews and given to another nation. That nation isn't the Gentiles, it's spiritual Israel... spiritual children of Abraham, Christians, both Jew and Gentiles.

That is the NEW HEAVEN, it isn't like it used to be with law keeping, animal sacrifices, earthly priesthoods.. That was the OLD HEAVEN, the NEW HEAVEN is Heavenly Jerusalem, the city that Lord's over the spiritual descendants of Abraham.

I don't know what the new earth is yet.
 
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Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is said to not be forgiven in the age they were in when Jesus said it nor the one that was coming. In the New Heavens and New Earth, if this is the age after the age they were in when the Lord said this, will you still face judgment, is there something that will not be forgiven in the New Heavens and New Earth?
That's not talking about the new heavens and the new earth, that's talking about when all of this over and we have entered into eternity with our new bodies. That sin will not be forgiven there.

Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is when God sends one of his own to speak his truth to others and the people ridicule, persecute and even kill God's messenger. They will not be forgiven even in the life to come.

Rom_11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

Those people blasphemed the Holy Spirit because they hate the true God because the God they serve is nothing like the true God and when they hear the TRUE word of God it makes them angry.
 

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That's not talking about the new heavens and the new earth, that's talking about when all of this over and we have entered into eternity with our new bodies. That sin will not be forgiven there.

Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is when God sends one of his own to speak his truth to others and the people ridicule, persecute and even kill God's messenger. They will not be forgiven even in the life to come.

Rom_11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

Those people blasphemed the Holy Spirit because they hate the true God because the God they serve is nothing like the true God and when they hear the TRUE word of God it makes them angry.
In eternity,in our new bodies there are some who can still commit the unforgivable sin and so the final judgment is in it's future?
 
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Matt 12:32 “Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.)

We are in the "age to come", therefore speaking against the HS is not forgiven. "This age" of Jesus came to an end in the 1st century in which Jesus appeared.

(Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

(Heb 9:26 (Young's) since it had behoved him many times to suffer from the foundation of the world, but now once, at the full end of the ages, for putting away of sin through his sacrifice, he hath been manifested)

Jesus appeared at the ending of the age.
 
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So how does the "following year" after the cross line up with what Daniel said?

(Dan 9:26 Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined)

How was the city and sanctuary destroyed in the year after the cross, maybe I'm not following you here?

What end came "with a flood" in AD 33?

(Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.)

If we honor Daniel's statements then the "decreed" time included the war of AD 66-70 and the destruction of the city as per 9:26
The physical destruction of Israel isn't on the list of Daniel 9:24.

70 weeks were determined upon thy people and thy city TO... do everything that follows in that verse. When those things were done, Israel as God's people were done. God gave them 40 years of hearing the gospel to repent and they would not. Then after God closed the door on mercy, Jerusalem was destroyed.

If you want to see how it went down, look at Jonah 3 and replace Jonah's name with Jesus and Nineveh's name with Jerusalem.

Jon 3:2 Arise, go unto Nineveh (Jerusalem), that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.
Jon 3:3 So Jonah (Jesus) arose, and went unto Nineveh (Jerusalem), according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh (Jerusalem) was an exceeding great city of three days (three days in hell) journey.
Jon 3:4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he (Jesus) cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh (Jerusalem) shall be overthrown.

Everything wont match perfectly because it's a foreshadow but hopefully you see my point.
 
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In eternity,in our new bodies there are some who can still commit the unforgivable sin and so the final judgment is in it's future?
I don't think so, those sins are committed here. Why are you asking?
 

iamsoandso

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Matt 12:32 “Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.)

We are in the "age to come", therefore speaking against the HS is not forgiven. "This age" of Jesus came to an end in the 1st century in which Jesus appeared.

(Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

(Heb 9:26 (Young's) since it had behoved him many times to suffer from the foundation of the world, but now once, at the full end of the ages, for putting away of sin through his sacrifice, he hath been manifested)

Jesus appeared at the ending of the age.
So Judgment is future tense...