About Israel's Capital

[tanakh]

Jesus said to her Woman believe me the hour is coming and now is when nether
on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the father. You worship what
you do not know we worship what we know for salvation is from the Jews. But the
hour is coming and now is when the true worshipers will worship the Father in
spirit and truth, for such the Father seeks to worship him. God is spirit and
those who worship him must worship him in spirit and truth.

John 4 21-24

 

[JaumeJ]

You make it sound as if GOD is making people do things they would not do if left to themselves ?
How then can any be found guilty of 'wrongdoing and condemned ? This does not make sense !

It seems to me God has said, "So what if some are disobedient by my will" but I cannot find the exact quote.

I do know that had the Children of Israel been perfect in the wilderness, no gentile would have bee saved, for had they been perfect the only would be the nation of God, but now the Gate has been given for all to enter.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Jews and Gentiles both took part in His literal physical murder

Since the Jews delivered up Christ to the Gentiles (as stated in the Scripture quoted) only the Jews were held culpable for the murder of Christ. This is plainly stated twice in the Acts of the Apostles. We should not forget that cowardly Pilate tried three times to dismiss the case against Christ, and the Jews shouted him down. Of course we know that God had already planned for His crucifixion, but that did not exonerate the Jews. Since they said "His blood be on us and on our children" (Mt 27:25) they paid for that crime.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Jesus said to her Woman believe me the hour is coming and now is when nether
on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the father. You worship what
you do not know we worship what we know for salvation is from the Jews. But the
hour is coming and now is when the true worshipers will worship the Father in
spirit and truth, for such the Father seeks to worship him. God is spirit and
those who worship him must worship him in spirit and truth.

John 4 21-24

Unbelieving Jews have not received this message and only Christians know what it means. Therefore a third temple will be erected in Jerusalem, and it must be so prophetically.

 

[7777pinacled]

Since the Jews delivered up Christ to the Gentiles (as stated in the Scripture quoted) only the Jews were held culpable for the murder of Christ. This is plainly stated twice in the Acts of the Apostles. We should not forget that cowardly Pilate tried three times to dismiss the case against Christ, and the Jews shouted him down. Of course we know that God had already planned for His crucifixion, but that did not exonerate the Jews. Since they said "His blood be on us and on our children" (Mt 27:25) they paid for that crime.

I thought that there was mention of generations involving the account of Mt.

Many generations have passed since then.
And the Gospel has likely been preached around the globe in countless languages by all the faithfull.
And also there have been many Jews who have come to know Yeshua (jesus).
I'm certain that many here are informed of this.
And recently I've come to know quite a few who bravely contended their faith openly to their families. Many that have confessed are met with discourse. And I've personally defended one such person when harassed.

We are children of God, and family in Christ.

Blessings Always

 

[celib]

Because that is precisely what God says.

Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD...For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land...

Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel...

And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all...

And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary [in Jerusalem] shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

(Ezek 36:22,24; 37:12;21,22,28)

Sorry, I can't see Jews anywhere, all that will take place after judgment. God bless

 

[celib]

Since the Jews delivered up Christ to the Gentiles (as stated in the Scripture quoted) only the Jews were held culpable for the murder of Christ. This is plainly stated twice in the Acts of the Apostles. We should not forget that cowardly Pilate tried three times to dismiss the case against Christ, and the Jews shouted him down. Of course we know that God had already planned for His crucifixion, but that did not exonerate the Jews. Since they said "His blood be on us and on our children" (Mt 27:25) they paid for that crime.

Actually it wasn't the Jews, it was the kenites, God told satan in Gen.3:14-15 thy seed [children] shall bruise his heel and the woman's seed [Jesus] shall bruise your head. God bless

 

[JaumeJ]

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[Ahwatukee]

Sorry, I can't see Jews anywhere, all that will take place after judgment. God bless

Really? Revelation 12 has the woman/Israel fleeing out into the wilderness where she will be cared for by God during the last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period where at which time Christ returns to end the age. We also have 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel who will be sealed at the beginning of the seven years and will be caught up to God and his throne in the middle of the seven.

We also have Jesus ruling from Jerusalem from the throne of king David during the millennial period, which would demonstrate that Israel/Jews will be alive and well.

God has not abandoned his people, Israel. And we as believers in Christ should be supportive of them and keeping them in prayer.

 

[Nehemiah6]

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I guess you are not familiar with the false teaching called the "Serpent Seed" doctrine. That is what celib is promoting.

Answer:

The serpent seed doctrine is a belief based on poor biblical interpretation and superstition. It is a primary doctrinal resource for those who want to use Scriptures to justify racial prejudice. The serpent seed doctrine is also closely related to other erroneous beliefs such as the Christian Identity Movement and the Kenite doctrine. Like many false beliefs, it has a built-in defense mechanism; that is, anyone who disagrees with it is accused of being a son of the serpent. One of the most unfortunate problems with the serpent seed doctrine is that it so heavily relies on prejudice and warped biblical interpretation that it can be very difficult to discuss rationally.

Simply stated, the serpent seed doctrine teaches that the sin of Eve was not simple disobedience, but sexual contact with the serpent, and that Cain was the son of Eve and the devil. Cain’s descendants are, according to this idea, the sons of Satan, and this includes most any race or group that the serpent-seed believer chooses to dislike. This idea is rooted in superstitious beliefs and is particularly popular with white supremacists and anti-Semites; the Unification Church also supports this idea. Noted false prophets and false teachers such as Arnold Murray of Shepherd’s Chapel and William Branham espoused the idea. Although an idea should not be criticized when it is wrongly applied, it is appropriate to condemn an idea when it logically leads to sin. A philosophy that teaches that some races or people are universally satanic, like the serpent seed doctrine, is one such philosophy.

https://www.gotquestions.org/serpent-seed.html

 

[tanakh]

Everything in Scripture could be deemed as fantasies by those who will not believe what is revealed. Start with this prophecy and see how it will be fulfilled:

And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. (Zech 12:10).

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. (Rev 1:7).

The fantasies are found in peoples interpretation of Scripture after having ignored other passages and taken some out of context so as to fit their own doctrines and ideaologies

 

[JaumeJ]

It is of faith, and perhaps a weakness too, that compels me to avoid any writings on doctrine outside of the Word.

Therefore I am not familiar with the doctrine you mention. I do know the story of the serpents and the rod with a serpentt on the top to heal the snake bites.....I do not consider this a doctrine, but an event.

It seems wrong also to watch videos on

God bless you!

the Word when one may not have dialogue with the author, almost as though the video is writtenin stone.......just not for me.

I guess you are not familiar with the false teaching called the "Serpent Seed" doctrine. That is what celib is promoting.


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https://www.gotquestions.org/serpent-seed.html

 

[tanakh]

Unbelieving Jews have not received this message and only Christians know what it means. Therefore a third temple will be erected in Jerusalem, and it must be so prophetically.

Any third Temple erected HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD it will belong to the Antichrist along with any worshippers there. The whole unbelieving world will worship him in the belief that he is the Messiah. All current events are leading up to his appearing. The question of whether the current capital of Israel is Jerusalem is irrelevant because at least a tenth of it will be destroyed. REV 11 v13

 

[Ahwatukee]

Any third Temple erected HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD it will belong to the Antichrist along with any worshippers there. The whole unbelieving world will worship him in the belief that he is the Messiah. All current events are leading up to his appearing. The question of whether the current capital of Israel is Jerusalem is irrelevant because at least a tenth of it will be destroyed. REV 11 v13

Sure it does tanakh! The covenant that the antichrist makes with Israel will be in fulfillment of the seventy sevens that were decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem found in Dan.9:24. In fulfillment of that God will be picking up right where He left off with Israel and Jerusalem since only 69 of the seven year periods have been fulfilled.

So yes, the third temple does have to do with God. For one it is written in His word and two Israel will be making offerings and sacrifices for the first 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. It isn't until the middle of the seven years that he will cause the sacrifices and offerings to cease and sets up that abomination. It is at this time when Israel will flee out into the desert to the place that God will have prepared for them, where they will remain during that last 3 1/2 years until Christ returns to end the age as revealed in Rev.12.6, 14.

 

[beta]

Really? Revelation 12 has the woman/Israel fleeing out into the wilderness where she will be cared for by God during the last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period where at which time Christ returns to end the age. We also have 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel who will be sealed at the beginning of the seven years and will be caught up to God and his throne in the middle of the seven.

We also have Jesus ruling from Jerusalem from the throne of king David during the millennial period, which would demonstrate that Israel/Jews will be alive and well.

God has not abandoned his people, Israel. And we as believers in Christ should be supportive of them and keeping them in prayer.

I agree JEWS will be AMONG Israel...but they will not be the ONLY ones as Nehemaiah tried to make out in his post....that is the point !

 

[JaumeJ]

Read who tru Jews are in Romans. There is the best description, and it concludes all who praise God are the true Jews.

They will also all be the Israel of God, gentiles and Hebrews alike, no distinction..

 

[Ahwatukee]

but they will not be the ONLY ones

Regarding what? We know that the seventy sevens will be the fulfillment of the decree upon Israel. And we know that the 144,000 will be the first fruits out of the twelve tribes of Israel who will acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah. So, what do you mean "they will not be the ONLY ones"?

 

[tanakh]

Read who tru Jews are in Romans. There is the best description, and it concludes all who praise God are the true Jews.

They will also all be the Israel of God, gentiles and Hebrews alike, no distinction..

The dispensational belief that Israel and the Jews have a separate destiny from the Church is a core teaching that distorts and confuses any understanding about the last days. Some will say this is nothing to do with this thread but like many Bible based topics it is hard to separate some issues. The Church is an extension of Israel not some plan B cobbled together by God because the Jews rejected Jesus. All the Disciples were Jews. Many early Church converts were Jews. There was a period lasting about one generation when the Law and the New Covenant were both active. This transition period established the Church and destroyed the Old Covenant system in AD70. For those who believe in a separate destiny for Israel and the Church I ask where do Jewish Christians fit into the scheme of things, because if the Church is in Heaven and Israel is on earth one would need a third place to put those with feet in both camps.

 

[Ahwatukee]

The Church is an extension of Israel not some plan B cobbled together by God because the Jews rejected Jesus.

The church is a completely different entity from Israel made up of both Jew and Gentile. As previously stated, 69 of the seventy seven years have been fulfilled. There is one seven year period left regarding Israel, which God left to be fulfilled in conjunction with the Lord's return to end the age. This has nothing to do with the church. The church will have been caught up prior to the beginning of that seven years.

 

[JaumeJ]

Paul's explanation of who the true Jew is is based on the translation of the words that make up Yahuda. According to Paul, and according to how I have always understood, all who praise Yah, God, regardless of their Tribal origin are Jews by definition, that is praisers of Yah, God.

Gentiles who praise Yah, God, are also Jews by translation.

I know nothing of all those doctrines of dispensatio, I only know, by faith, all who love and adore God, Yahweh, are by translation Jews and form the Israel of God with no distinctions as to bloodlines..........

The dispensational belief that Israel and the Jews have a separate destiny from the Church is a core teaching that distorts and confuses any understanding about the last days. Some will say this is nothing to do with this thread but like many Bible based topics it is hard to separate some issues. The Church is an extension of Israel not some plan B cobbled together by God because the Jews rejected Jesus. All the Disciples were Jews. Many early Church converts were Jews. There was a period lasting about one generation when the Law and the New Covenant were both active. This transition period established the Church and destroyed the Old Covenant system in AD70. For those who believe in a separate destiny for Israel and the Church I ask where do Jewish Christians fit into the scheme of things, because if the Church is in Heaven and Israel is on earth one would need a third place to put those with feet in both camps.