About New Testament specially Paul writings

Mantvydas · Nov 13, 2015

Second Peter chapter 3. 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they doalso the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

crossnote · Nov 13, 2015

Acts 9:15-16 (KJV)
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he (Paul) is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.

Mantvydas · Nov 13, 2015

[h=1]2 Timothy 2:15[/h]

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”

KennethC · Nov 13, 2015

Apostle Peter said that about Paul's writings because some have taken and still take his writings to speak as if he taught a different gospel message then what our Lord Jesus taught.

They misuse the words of Paul to override the teachings of Jesus, which is a very dangerous concept as that leads such people into a false gospel.

notuptome · Nov 13, 2015

Mantvydas said:

That would be the whole of scripture not just the parts we find palatable.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

sparkman · Nov 23, 2015

Mantvydas said:

Just a quick remark..cults claim this verse applies to everyone who rejects their doctrines..that they are unstable and ignorant, and that the cults are the enlightened ones. In fact, it's the opposite

james57 · Nov 23, 2015

Mantvydas said:

Absolutely. Who is the unlearned? Those who rely on the natural mind to learn of the Spiritual. Paul's message can only be understood through the Holy Spirit leading us to understand it. In my view it is the greatest message preached since Christ walked this earth

Grandpa · Nov 23, 2015

What is Peters own answer to become stable and learned???

2 Peter 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

PeterJens · Nov 23, 2015

Peter is encouraging his audience to respect and understand Pauls writings, which he is in full agreement with.

The warning is everyone needs to balance their understanding with the whole of scripture to come to the right conclusions, which is a big task, which bible schools and theological colleges try to do, but tax even the best minds and spirits.

I have learnt we need patience and endurance.

crossnote · Nov 23, 2015

What Paul had done was take what was written but hidden in the OT and brought that out into the light through his writings.

Romans 16:25 (KJV) Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,:26) But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Ephesians 3:2-5 (KJV)
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

Ephesians 3:8-11 (KJV)
8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

DP · Nov 23, 2015

2 Peter 3:15-17
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
KJV

Peter was referencing Paul's epistles especially about "these things" he was outlaying in the 2 Peter 3 chapter. So what were "these things" Peter was talking about there? I'm surprised that so many here have missed that point.

james57 · Nov 23, 2015

DP said:

I would think Paul's message of having a righteousness apart from observing the law/ works of the law might be one of the things Peter had in mind as being hard to understand. Many today find it hard to understand. It was such a new message and the other writers of the epistles didn't go into detail of it as Paul did.
Remember, Jesus said there was much more he wanted to teach the disciples but until the holy spirit came upon them they could not bear such knowledge. I think Paul brought it all out in his letters

DP · Nov 24, 2015

james57 said:

Not what Peter was referring to in Paul's Epistles. Peter showed us what things within that 2 Pet.3 chapter, and one must read it to know what "these things" were he was speaking of.

DP · Nov 24, 2015

james57 said:

OK, here's some of the main points Peter spoke of in that 2 Pet.3 chapter;

2 Peter 3:3-12
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation."

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
KJV

Peter is talking about the fact of three world ages, with God already having destroyed one of them of old, and this present one we are in is to also be destroyed. And then God will in final institute a new heavens and a new earth for His Eternity.

But how do the scoffers see this world? They believe it will continue to exist as is, and that it has always been. They are willingly ignorant of how God destroyed the old world, and instead want to believe in their own permanence of things. Thus they don't see what's coming with the end of this present world either.

But because 'we'... (and those Peter was speaking to), do... know these things will come to pass as written in God's Word, what manner of persons ought we to be in all holy conversation and godliness?

This is a huge perspective Apostle Peter is offering us here. It is in a sense, showing our Heavenly Father's eternal Nature in relation to these three world ages, that they are just a drop in the bucket of time to Him. Likewise we should have this far-sighted view of His creation of the past old world, the present, and the one yet future, making our Faith on Him and His Son strong today while at the same time we know the things of today are going to end and we patiently wait for them.

This is also one of things Apostle Paul was speaking of in the Romans 8 chapter in regards to God's creation of world ages, specifically Rom.8:18-25, a Scripture that many have struggled with.

james57 · Nov 24, 2015

DP said:

OK, here's some of the main points Peter spoke of in that 2 Pet.3 chapter;

2 Peter 3:3-12
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation."

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
KJV

Peter is talking about the fact of three world ages, with God already having destroyed one of them of old, and this present one we are in is to also be destroyed. And then God will in final institute a new heavens and a new earth for His Eternity.

But how do the scoffers see this world? They believe it will continue to exist as is, and that it has always been. They are willingly ignorant of how God destroyed the old world, and instead want to believe in their own permanence of things. Thus they don't see what's coming with the end of this present world either.

But because 'we'... (and those Peter was speaking to), do... know these things will come to pass as written in God's Word, what manner of persons ought we to be in all holy conversation and godliness?

This is a huge perspective Apostle Peter is offering us here. It is in a sense, showing our Heavenly Father's eternal Nature in relation to these three world ages, that they are just a drop in the bucket of time to Him. Likewise we should have this far-sighted view of His creation of the past old world, the present, and the one yet future, making our Faith on Him and His Son strong today while at the same time we know the things of today are going to end and we patiently wait for them.

This is also one of things Apostle Paul was speaking of in the Romans 8 chapter in regards to God's creation of world ages, specifically Rom.8:18-25, a Scripture that many have struggled with.

In your experience, what subject above all others Paul wrote of would or do people find the hardest
/the most difficult to understand or accept today?

james57 · Nov 24, 2015

DP said:

OK, here's some of the main points Peter spoke of in that 2 Pet.3 chapter;

2 Peter 3:3-12
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation."

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
KJV

Peter is talking about the fact of three world ages, with God already having destroyed one of them of old, and this present one we are in is to also be destroyed. And then God will in final institute a new heavens and a new earth for His Eternity.

But how do the scoffers see this world? They believe it will continue to exist as is, and that it has always been. They are willingly ignorant of how God destroyed the old world, and instead want to believe in their own permanence of things. Thus they don't see what's coming with the end of this present world either.

But because 'we'... (and those Peter was speaking to), do... know these things will come to pass as written in God's Word, what manner of persons ought we to be in all holy conversation and godliness?

This is a huge perspective Apostle Peter is offering us here. It is in a sense, showing our Heavenly Father's eternal Nature in relation to these three world ages, that they are just a drop in the bucket of time to Him. Likewise we should have this far-sighted view of His creation of the past old world, the present, and the one yet future, making our Faith on Him and His Son strong today while at the same time we know the things of today are going to end and we patiently wait for them.

This is also one of things Apostle Paul was speaking of in the Romans 8 chapter in regards to God's creation of world ages, specifically Rom.8:18-25, a Scripture that many have struggled with.

Since everything will be destroyed in this way what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and Godly lives, as you look forward to the day of God 2 peter 3:12

For sin shall not be your master for you are not under law( of righteousness) but under grace rom6:14

For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth rom 10:4

To the academic mind 2 peter3:12 cannot be reconciled to rom 10:4. However, through the holy spirits leading we understand through rom6:14

james57 · Nov 24, 2015

DP said:

OK, here's some of the main points Peter spoke of in that 2 Pet.3 chapter;

2 Peter 3:3-12
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation."

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
KJV

Peter is talking about the fact of three world ages, with God already having destroyed one of them of old, and this present one we are in is to also be destroyed. And then God will in final institute a new heavens and a new earth for His Eternity.

But how do the scoffers see this world? They believe it will continue to exist as is, and that it has always been. They are willingly ignorant of how God destroyed the old world, and instead want to believe in their own permanence of things. Thus they don't see what's coming with the end of this present world either.

But because 'we'... (and those Peter was speaking to), do... know these things will come to pass as written in God's Word, what manner of persons ought we to be in all holy conversation and godliness?

This is a huge perspective Apostle Peter is offering us here. It is in a sense, showing our Heavenly Father's eternal Nature in relation to these three world ages, that they are just a drop in the bucket of time to Him. Likewise we should have this far-sighted view of His creation of the past old world, the present, and the one yet future, making our Faith on Him and His Son strong today while at the same time we know the things of today are going to end and we patiently wait for them.

This is also one of things Apostle Paul was speaking of in the Romans 8 chapter in regards to God's creation of world ages, specifically Rom.8:18-25, a Scripture that many have struggled with.

Which subject of Paul's do ignorant and unstable people distort to their own destruction? Jude4

p_rehbein · Nov 24, 2015

[h=1]Romans
7:24[/h]
24.) O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25.) I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

DP · Nov 24, 2015

james57 said:

The one I outlined in my above post, because there's a much deeper part that I won't go into here.

DP · Nov 24, 2015

james57 said:

Oh, so you've got a bone to pick. Well quit hiding in the shadows like a coward. Out with it!

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