About the Book of Job Chapter four

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- Get away from this old world of Chaos and prepare for the New World!

- don’t do like the Israelites who stayed in the old world and died!

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Looking for Job
Job 21
Is my complaint directed toward a man?
If it were, would I not lose patience?
Look at me and stare in amazement;
Put your hand over your mouth.
When I think about it, I am disturbed,
And my whole body shudders.


- Job keeps complaining toward God!

- he is his only reference!

- There is nobody else who matters for Job!

- And he will not stop!

- Because he is used to communicating to God!

- And he will keep expressing his pain and sufferance!

- He has not changed his mind!

- His parner is God and nobody else!
 

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- Get away from this old world of Chaos and prepare for the New World!
- don’t do like the Israelites who stayed in the old world and died!
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Looking for Job

Job 23
When he is determined, who can resist him?
When he wants to do something, he does it.
For he will carry out completely what has been
determined for me,
And he has many such things in store.


- In fact, very few faithful servants of God could prevent him from destroying directly the Israelites or acting in their favor!

- At the end they had to pay the price for their foolishness!

- Regarding Job, it is the devil!

- Regarding Job, the devil is in a rage!

- And he is ready to do anything that God tolerate him to do against Job!

- And the devil is in a rage against those who stay faithful!

- And he wants all the time more followers!

- He has never enough!
 

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- Get away from this old world of Chaos and prepare for the New World!
- don’t do like the Israelites who stayed in the old world and died!
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Job 27
Job continued his discourse, saying:

As surely as God lives, who has deprived me of justice,
As the Almighty lives, who has made me bitter,
As long as my breath is within me
And spirit from God is in my nostrils,
My lips will not speak unrighteousness;
Nor will my tongue mutter deceit!


- The devil has deprived Job of justice!

- The devil has made Job bitter!

- And he knows that God’s spirit is in his nostrils!

- And job will never speak unrighteousness!

- It is completely away from his mind and his way of life!

- He will never use deceit!

- because he has God’s spirit!

- And he is exceptional!

- As God tells about him!
 

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- Get away from this old world of Chaos and prepare for the New World!
- don’t do like the Israelites who stayed in the old world and died!
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Job 29

Whoever heard me would speak well of me,
And those who saw me would testify for me.
For I would rescue the poor who cried for help,
Along with the fatherless child and anyone who had no helper.
The one about to perish would bless me,
And I made the heart of the widow rejoice.
I put on righteousness as my clothing;
My justice was like a robe and a turban.
I became eyes to the blind
And feet to the lame.
I was a father to the poor;
I would investigate the legal case of those I did not know.
I would break the jaws of the wrongdoer
And tear the prey away from his teeth.


- Job was respected because he would help people !

- The poor, the fatherless, anyone without helper !

- The one about to perish, the widow !

- He acted with justice for everybody !

- Thus we understand better when God speaks about him as unique !

- There was no one like him on earth !
 

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- Get away from this old world of Chaos and prepare for the New World!
- don’t do like the Israelites who stayed in the old world and died!
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Job 31

Have I ever rejoiced over the destruction of my enemy
Or gloated because evil befell him?
I never allowed my mouth to sin
By asking for his life in an oath.


- Heart and mind!

- Yes, for Job, heart and mind are connected!

- Yes, for him, what you think is as important as what you say!

- Usually people say one thing and think another!

- But Job is one, heart and mind are one!

- That’s what God is looking for!

- That’s why the connection he has with Job is so strong!

- That’s why the devil tried to destroy it!

- And that’s why he couldn’t do it!

- Yes, Job’s heart and mind are not two but one!

- Yes, indestructible!
 

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God and Job / Job and God

Job 2: Finally his wife says to him: “Are you still holding firmly to your integrity? Curse God and die!” But he says to her: “You are talking like one of the senseless women. Should we accept only what is good from the true God and not accept also what is bad?” In all of this, Job does not sin with his lips.

- Job doesn’t know what is on!

- He only knows he has just lost everything he had!

- And his body is painful!

- And now it’s his wife!

- The devil strikes him with any weapon available!

- But every time he shows that the devil is a liar!

- And every time he shows that God is right!

- Whatever happens, Job knows where he goes, good weather or bad one, it doesn’t matter!

- He knows whom he belongs to!
 
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The Lord gives, and the Lord takes away. Blessed be the name of the Lord. Even if I don't understand.
 

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- Job had no idea of the devil!

- His only reference was God!

- So he thougt his situation was because of God!
 
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The Lord is sovereign...He does as He pleases with the powers of heaven.
 

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Remember that the devil is the god of this old dying world!
 
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I'm well aware.
 

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God and Job / Job and God

Job 17:

- He is broken!

- He is waiting for death!

- He only sees mockers!

- People spit at him!

- The three individuals are of no help to him!

- He just wants to put an end to his condition and die!

- He has enough!

- He doesn’t want anymore!

- It is really difficult for someone who is so close to God!
 
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God and Job / Job and God

Job 17:

- He is broken!

- He is waiting for death!

- He only sees mockers!

- People spit at him!

- The three individuals are of no help to him!

- He just wants to put an end to his condition and die!

- He has enough!

- He doesn’t want anymore!

- It is really difficult for someone who is so close to God!
What's your point?
 

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- I'm not saying Job wanted to commit suicide!

- He is destroyed!

- He doesn't see the interest to live anymore!

- He is reduced into pieces!
 

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Let's think about this article:

https://www.verywellmind.com/why-do-people-commit-suicide-1067515

Why Do People Commit Suicide?
It's difficult to imagine what led a friend, family member, or celebrity to commit suicide. There may have been no clear warning signs, and you may wonder what clues you might have missed. Often, many factors combine to lead a person to the decision to take their own life.

Mental Illness

Most people make the decision to attempt suicide shortly before doing so impulsively rather than planning it out extensively.

While there are many factors that can influence a person's decision to commit suicide, the most common one is severe depression.1 Depression can make people feel great emotional pain and loss of hope, making them unable to see another way to relieve the pain other than ending their own life.

According to the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention, depression is present in about half of all suicides.

Other mental illnesses that can increase the risk of suicide include:

Bipolar disorder2
Borderline personality disorder (BPD)
Eating disorders3
Schizophrenia

Traumatic Stress

A person who has had a traumatic experience, including childhood sexual abuse, rape, physical abuse, or war trauma, is at a greater risk for suicide, even many years after the trauma.4

In a survey of nearly 6,000 U.S. adults, nearly 22% of people who have been raped had attempted suicide at some point while 23% who experienced physical assault tried to take their own life at some point.

Being diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder (PSTD) or multiple incidents of trauma raises the risk even further. This is partly because depression is common after trauma and among those with PTSD, causing feelings of helplessness and hopelessness that can lead to suicide.

Substance Use and Impulsivity

Drugs and alcohol can also influence a person who is feeling suicidal, making them more impulsive and likely to act upon their urges than they would be while sober. Substance and alcohol use can contribute to other reasons people commit suicide, such as the loss of jobs and relationships.5

The rates of substance use and alcohol use disorder are also higher among people with depression and other psychological disorders. Put these together and the risks increase.

Loss or Fear of Loss

A person may decide to take their own life when facing a loss or the fear of a loss. These situations can include:

  • Academic failure
  • Being arrested or imprisoned
  • Bullying, shaming, or humiliation, including cyberbullying
  • Financial problems
  • End of a close friendship or romantic relationship
  • Job loss
  • Loss of friends or family acceptance due to revealing your sexual orientation
  • Loss of social status
Hopelessness

Hopelessness, either in the short-term or as a longer-lasting trait, has been found in many studies to contribute to the decision to commit suicide. The person may be facing a social or physical challenge and may see no way the situation can improve.

When people feel they have lost all hope and don't feel able to change that, it can overshadow all of the good things in their life, making suicide seem like a viable option.

While it might seem obvious to an outside observer that things will get better, people with depression may not be able to see this due to the pessimism and despair that go along with this illness.

Chronic Pain and Illness

If a person has chronic pain or illness with no hope of a cure or reprieve from suffering, suicide may seem like a way to regain dignity and control of their life. In some states, assisted suicide is legal for this very reason.

According to a study in the American Journal of Preventative Medicine, the following health conditions were associated with a higher risk of suicide:6

  • Asthma
  • Back pain
  • Brain injury
  • Cancer
  • Congestive heart failure
  • Diabetes
  • Epilepsy
  • HIV/AIDS
  • Heart disease
  • High blood pressure
  • Migraine
  • Parkinson's disease
Chronic pain can also bring on anxiety and depression, which can also increase your risk of suicide. According to research, people with chronic pain are four times more likely to have depression or anxiety than those who are pain-free.7
 

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Feeling Like a Burden to Others

A person with chronic pain or a terminal illness can also feel like a burden to others, as it becomes harder and harder to ask for yet another ride to the doctor's office or more help with household duties or assistance paying for hospital bills. In fact, many people who decide to commit suicide often state that their loved ones or the world, in general, would be better off without them.

This type of rhetoric is a common warning sign of suicide. People often see themselves as a burden to others or feel worthless due to the overwhelming emotional burden they are carrying within.

Social Isolation

A person can become socially isolated for many reasons, including losing friends or a spouse, undergoing a separation or divorce, physical or mental illness, social anxiety, retirement, or due to a move to a new location. Social isolation can also be caused by internal factors such as low self-esteem. This can lead to loneliness and other risk factors of suicide such as depression and alcohol or drug misuse.

Cry for Help

Sometimes people attempt suicide not so much because they really want to die, but because they simply don't know how to get help. Suicide attempts are not a cry for attention but a cry for help. It becomes a way to demonstrate to the world just how much they are hurting.

Unfortunately, these cries for help may sometimes prove to be fatal if the person misjudges the lethality of their chosen method. People who make a failed attempt are also at a much higher risk of trying again, and their second attempts are much more likely to be lethal.

Accidental Suicide

Some situations that appear to be suicide may actually be an accidental death. The choking game (also known as “pass-out challenge,” “flatliner,” and "space monkey”) where teens strangle themselves to achieve a high-like sensation and autoerotic asphyxiation are examples of suffocation suicides. Other accidental suicides include unintentional overdoses and firearm and poisoning suicides.

A Word From Verywell

You may never know why a person committed suicide. While it might have appeared that someone had everything to live for, it probably didn't feel that way to them.
 
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God And Joe/Joe And God

- He is broken! "Everyone falling on that stone will be broken, but on whomever it might fall, it will grind him into powder." - Luke 20:18

- He is waiting for death!

- He only sees mockers!

- People spit at him!

- The three individuals are of no help to him!

- He just wants to put an end to his condition and die!

- He has enough!

- He doesn’t want anymore!

- It is really difficult for someone who is so close to God!

I relate to Job. But He is holy and He doesn't change. He is my reference point. Besides, this life isn't going to last forever.
 

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- You are right!

- All the Book of Job is a guide to Job's faithfulness!

- But God is his only reference!

- And then the communication is lost!

- So Job doesn't know what to do!

- Moreover, the devil uses all the weapons he has to destabilize him!

- He doesn't understand what's on!

- Everything seems against him!

- And he has done nothing wrong!

- Sometimes, when everything is against you, you are lost!

- You just want to stop it and have a rest!
 
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