About the book of job Chapter three

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Job 16
O earth, do not cover my blood!
And let there be no resting-place for my
outcry!


- Job is a warrior!

- He still has a fighting spirit!

- He will keep crying out!

- He will never stop telling about his feelings!

- He will have no rest till God answers him!

- He is not someone who renounces easily!
 

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Job 17
I will call out to the pit, “You are my father!”
To the maggot, “My mother and my sister!”


- Do you hear Job’s words?

- He can’t communicate with God!

- He doesn’t know why!

- God is the only reference he has!

- God is his only hope!

- God is his only lamp in the darkness!

- And even in the pit, he will call out saying: “You are my father!”

- Do you really understand the type of relationship Job has with God?

- It is an INDESTRUCTIBLE ONE!
 

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- Get away from this old world of Chaos and prepare for the New World!

- don’t do like the Israelites who stayed in the old world and died!

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Job 21
Job said in reply:
Listen carefully to what I say;
Let this be the consolation you give me.
Bear with me while I speak;
After I speak, you may then mock me.


- Job uses the word carefully!

- It means they should listen to him!

- It means they are wrong!

- He also uses the word consolation!

- It means that he doesn’t wait anything from them!

- He knows they are not here to help him!

- He knows they are not his friends!

- Your words tell who you are!

- He can only count on him!

- And he will keep fighting!

- they can mock him!

- He doesn’t care!
 

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Job 23
I have not departed from the commandment of
his lips.
I have treasured up his sayings even more
than what was required of me.


- “The commandment of his lips”!

- It tells about the kind of relationship between God and Job!

- From mouth to ear!

- Absolutely not superficial!

- But deep inside!

- And hard work!

- Something highly valuable!

- Exceptional and thus difficult to understand for human beings!

- “I have treasured up his sayings”!

- Who treasure God’s word like Job?

- The difference between superficiality and depth!

- “Even more than what was required of me”!

- A level far beyond what normal human beings can reach!
 

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Job 26
Those who are powerless in death tremble;
They are even lower than the waters and their inhabitants.
The Grave is naked in front of God,
And the place of destruction lies uncovered.
He stretches out the northern sky over empty space,
Suspending the earth upon nothing;
He wraps up the waters in his clouds,
So that the clouds do not burst under their weight;

He shuts off the view of his throne,
Spreading out his cloud over it.
He marks out the horizon
on the surface of the waters;
He makes a boundary between light and darkness.
The very pillars of heaven shake ;
They are stunned by his rebuke.
He stirs up the sea with his power,
And by his understanding he breaks the sea monster to pieces.
With his breath he makes the skies clear;
His hand pierces the elusive serpent.
Look! These are just the fringes of his ways;
Only a faint whisper has been heard of him!
So who can understand his mighty thunder?”


- Yes, Job knows that God is powerful without any limits !

- Yes, Job knows that man is powerless with all limits !

- Yes, God «has suspended the earth upon nothing» !

- Think at the time the Book of Job was written !

- And think about that scientific fact !

- While everywhere on the earth they spoke nonsense !

- Yes, God «has suspended the earth upon nothing» !

- RESPECT !

 

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Job 29

When I used to go out to the city gate
And take my seat in the public square,
The young men would see me and step aside,
And even the old men would rise and remain standing.
Princes refrained from speaking;
They would put their hand over their mouth.
The voices of the prominent men were silenced;
Their tongue was stuck to the roof of their mouth.


- Job speaks about the past !

- When he was respected by everybody !

- Young and old used to respect him !

- Everybody would let him speak !

- What a difference !

- Today it is as if he was dead !

- As if he was nobody !

- Everybody has forgotten what he did !
 

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Job 31

If I put my confidence in gold
Or said to fine gold, ‘You are my security!’
If I found my joy in my great wealth
Because of the many possessions I acquired;
If I saw the sun shining
Or the moon moving in its splendor;
And my heart was secretly enticed,
And my mouth kissed my hand in worship of them;
Then that would be an error deserving punishment by the judges,
For I would have denied the true God above.


- Job was a rich man but his priority was his faith in God !

- We remember what Jesus about rich people that is it is really difficult for them to get into God’s kingdom because of their wealth !

- But Job is not in this case !

- He did not let wealth contaminate his heart and mind !

- On the contrary, he would use it to help people !

- And wealth didn’t prevent him from having a strong relationship with God !

- Look at rich people today and you will see and understand the difference !

- It is so evident, so clear !
 

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God and Job / Job and God

Job 2: Then God says to Satan: “Look! He is in your hand! Only do not take his life!” So Satan goes out from the presence of God and strikes Job with painful boils from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head. And Job takes a piece of broken pottery to scrape himself, and he is sitting among the ashes.

- God is as precise as the devil!

- He puts a limit to his actions!

- “Look! He is in your hand! Only do not take his life!”

- And the devil doesn’t lose time!

- He strikes all Job’s body which becomes painful!

- And the devil knows perfectly the limit!

- And he goes as far as he can!

- For him it is a mere game!

- And human beings are pieces of the game!
 
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So God uses evil for His own ends. He can and does use suffering for His own purposes. Though there is NO evil in Him. Would I be right in saying that, "No one can understand the full extent of His sovereign plan...no one can comprehend the good and evil that He sends?"
 

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- First, when you break one of your leg or one of your arm or when you get a disease like a cancer, you need a cure and it's often painful!

- There are so many diseases which require a lot of time to cure!

- And sometimes you must fight the disease and you die!

- Think about depression which can last and last!

- Everywhere people suffer from diseases!

- In many places, people suffer the consequences of war!

- In many places, people suffer from poverty or famine!

- And because of man's action, it's getting worse and worse!

- Think about pandemics and how human governments react!

- When it's not one thing, it's another one!

- What happens when our parents die or go to prison?

- Man is responsible for his personal choices!
 
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I think the Lord must have purposes that can only be understood from an eternal perspective.
Like suffering is temporary, but may have endless benefits.
 

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- Second, in the case of Job, the devil was responsible by accusing Job and thus any human being of unfaithfulness or of being led by personal interests!

- There is a big difference between God's justice and human justice!

- In the case of human justice, you can forget it!

- You must not forget that we are not alone!

- There are angels!

- When the devil provokes God, the angels are watching and listening carefully!

- That's why God had to demonstrate that the devil was wrong and a liar!
 
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Sometimes I think the devil is insane. He is God's devil, of that I'm sure!
The devil entered Judas, as a result, we are saved!
It doesn't take me long to get to the place where I say, "Okay God, it's too much for me, so I'll trust You instead, that You know what You're doing, and in the end, everything will be alright!"
 

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- Third, if we take the case of Adam's unfaithfulness, God could have killed him all at once!

- That's what we call human justice!

- And he could have started everything again with a new couple!

- But in this case, the devil would have proved right!

- Man can live alone without God's leadership!

- Man's history keeps proving man is unable to guide himself and is a wolf for the other men and is a danger for himself!

- But then the angels could have said and done the same!

- But the majority of them stayed faithful!

- Humanity lost perfection because of Adam, Jesus had to die and offer his perfect life to serve as a ransom and give access to eternal life to faithful human beings!

- God's justice is different from human justice!
 

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- For me the devil is a parasite!

- But he has his own logic!

- He likes power!

- He likes when people worship him!

- he behaves like human kings or political leaders when they have power!

- He is proud!

- He is jealous of God!
 
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That His judgement is different is a good thing. I'm glad He's like He is.
 
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- For me the devil is a parasite!

- But he has his own logic!

- He likes power!

- He likes when people worship him!

- he behaves like human kings or political leaders when they have power!

- He is proud!

- He is jealous of God!
I wouldn't want to be him.
 

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- Yes, temporary just when you have to suffer an operation or a cure to get better!

- Here it is a question of putting an end to human suffering!

- Then no one will be able to discuss God's leadership!

- No one will be able to contaminate the earth!

- No more wolves!
 

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- For me, the choice is clear!

- On the one hand, you have a parasite leading to destruction, on the other hand, the creator of the universe, the source of knowledge and wisdom leading to eternal life!

- But the choice is not clear for many!
 

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- Yes, you are right, his judgment is completely different!

- We just have to look at his creation for that!

- Everywhere we find design and immensity: in the universe,when you look through a microscope, when you study the brain...

- Every time you open a door, you get more doors to open without any limits!
 
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