About the great flood

Dino246 · Jun 11, 2021

I agree with you. I think the "local" (Middle-Eastern area only) flood is nonsensical.

eternally-gratefull · Jun 11, 2021

Amen,

If they want to call it a local flood. Then God certainly lied. Because there have been many local floods with loss of life

TheLearner · Jun 11, 2021

TheLearner said:

"There was mention of a certain new astrologer who wanted to prove that the earth moves and not the sky, the sun and the moon. This would be as if somebody were riding on a cart or in a ship and imagined that he was standing still while the earth and trees were moving. Luther remarked, ‘So it goes now. Whoever wants to be clever . . . must do something of his own. This is what that fellow does who wishes to turn the whole of astronomy upside down. . . . I believe the Holy Scriptures, for Joshua commanded the sun to stand still, and not the earth.’”https://christianhistoryinstitute.org/magazine/article/did-the-reformers-reject-copernicus

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to abstain completely from teaching or defending this doctrine and opinion or from discussing it... to abandon completely... the opinion that the sun stands still at the center of the world and the earth moves, and henceforth not to hold, teach, or defend it in any way whatever, either orally or in writing.
— Bellarmine and the Inquisition's injunction against Galileo, 1616" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliocentrism

As all may know views of the earth staying in one place on a foundation were revised by science.

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/galileo/galileoaccount.html

TheLearner · Jun 11, 2021

Dino246 said:

Noah's Flood
The New Scientific Discoveries About The Event That Changed History
By William Ryan, Walter Pitman

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Now two distinguished geophysicists have discovered a catastrophic event that changed history, a gigantic flood 7,600 years ago in what is today the Black Sea.
Using sound waves and coring devices to probe the sea floor, William Ryan and Walter Pitman revealed clear evidence that this inland body of water had once been a vast freshwater lake lying hundreds of feet below the level of the world's rising oceans. Sophisticated dating techniques confirmed that 7,600 years ago the mounting seas had burst through the narrow Bosporus valley, and the salt water of the Mediterranean had poured into the lake with unimaginable force, racing over..."
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Noah_s_Flood/nPiuWaZgI60C?hl=en&gbpv=0

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/galileo/galileoaccount.html

TheLearner · Jun 11, 2021

PennEd said:

No, the word earth is mistranslated in the text. It only means land and is referring to land only in that area. It does not say "any land" You are misrepresenting what I wrote. Bad Boy. The concept of a world beyond where they lived was unknown to them. That concept appears in modern Hebrew, but does not appear in old Hebrew of Noah's day.

Genesis 6
Amplified Bible
The Corruption of Mankind

6 Now it happened, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the [a]sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful and desirable; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose and desired. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive and remain with man forever, because he is indeed flesh [sinful, corrupt—given over to sensual appetites]; nevertheless his days shall yet be a hundred and twenty years.” 4 There were Nephilim (men of stature, notorious men) on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God lived with the daughters of men, and they gave birth to their children. These were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown (great reputation, fame).

5 The Lord saw that the wickedness (depravity) of man was great on the earth, and that every imagination or intent of the thoughts of his heart were only evil continually. 6 The Lord [c]regretted that He had made mankind on the [ from me --- earth, dirt, land only dirt or land is from Hebrew of that time ], and He was [deeply] grieved in His heart. 7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy (annihilate) mankind whom I have created from the surface of the [ from me --- earth, dirt, land only dirt or land is from Hebrew of that time ]—not only man, but the animals and the crawling things and the birds of the air—because it [deeply] grieves Me [to see mankind’s sin] and I regret that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor and grace in the eyes of the Lord.

9 These are the records of the generations (family history) of Noah. Noah was a righteous man [one who was just and had right standing with God], blameless in his [evil] generation; Noah walked (lived) [in habitual fellowship] with God. 10 Now Noah became the father of three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

11 The [population of the] [ from me --- earth, dirt, land only dirt or land is from Hebrew of that time ] was corrupt [absolutely depraved—spiritually and morally putrid] in God’s sight, and the land was filled with violence [desecration, infringement, outrage, assault, and lust for power]. 12 God looked on the earth and saw how debased and degenerate it was, for all humanity had corrupted their way on the earth and lost their true direction.

13 God said to Noah, “I intend to make an end of all that lives, for through men the land is filled with violence; and behold, I am about to [d]destroy them together with the land. 14 Make yourself an [e]ark of [f]gopher wood; make in it rooms (stalls, pens, coops, nests, cages, compartments) and [g]coat it inside and out with pitch (bitumen). 15 This is the way you are to make it: the length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, its width fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits (450’ x 75’ x 45’). 16 You shall make a [h]window [for light and ventilation] for the ark, and finish it to at least a cubit (eighteen inches) from the top—and set the [entry] door of the ark in its side; and you shall make it with lower, second and third decks. 17 For behold, I, even I, will bring a flood of waters on the earth, to destroy all life under the heavens in which there is the breath and spirit of life; everything that is on the land shall die. 18 But I will establish My covenant (solemn promise, formal agreement) with you; and you shall come into the ark—you and your [three] sons and your wife, and your sons’ wives with you. 19 And of every living thing [found on land], you shall bring two of every kind into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female. 20 Of fowls and birds according to their kind, of animals according to their kind, of every crawling thing of the ground according to its kind—two of every kind shall come to you to keep them alive. 21 Also take with you every kind of food that is edible, and you shall collect and store it; and it shall be food for you and for them.” 22 So Noah did this; according to all that God commanded him, that is what he did.

Note: [ from me --- earth, dirt, land only dirt or land is from Hebrew of that time ]

TheLearner · Jun 11, 2021

Genesis 6:1-10
Amplified Bible
The Corruption of Mankind
6 Now it happened, when men began to multiply on the face of the [blland[/b], and daughters were born to them, 2 that the [a]sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful and desirable; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose and desired. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive and remain with man forever, because he is indeed flesh [sinful, corrupt—given over to sensual appetites]; nevertheless his days shall yet be a hundred and twenty years.” 4 There were Nephilim (men of stature, notorious men) on the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b] in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God lived with the daughters of men, and they gave birth to their children. These were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown (great reputation, fame).

5 The Lord saw that the wickedness (depravity) of man was great on the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b], and that every imagination or intent of the thoughts of his heart were only evil continually. 6 The Lord [c]regretted that He had made mankind on the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b], and He was [deeply] grieved in His heart. 7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy (annihilate) mankind whom I have created from the surface of the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b]—not only man, but the animals and the crawling things and the birds of the air—because it [deeply] grieves Me [to see mankind’s sin] and I regret that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor and grace in the eyes of the Lord.

9 These are the records of the generations (family history) of Noah. Noah was a righteous man [one who was just and had right standing with God], blameless in his [evil] generation; Noah walked (lived) [in habitual fellowship] with God. 10 Now Noah became the father of three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

11 The [population of the] [bl earth = land or dirt [/b] was corrupt [absolutely depraved—spiritually and morally putrid] in God’s sight, and the [blland[/b] was filled with violence [desecration, infringement, outrage, assault, and lust for power]. 12 God looked on the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b] and saw how debased and degenerate it was, for all humanity had corrupted their way on the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b] and lost their true direction.

13 God said to Noah, “I intend to make an end of all that lives, for through men the [blland[/b] is filled with violence; and behold, I am about to [d]destroy them together with the [blland[/b]. 14 Make yourself an [e]ark of [f]gopher wood; make in it rooms (stalls, pens, coops, nests, cages, compartments) and [g]coat it inside and out with pitch (bitumen). 15 This is the way you are to make it: the length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, its width fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits (450’ x 75’ x 45’). 16 You shall make a [h]window [for light and ventilation] for the ark, and finish it to at least a cubit (eighteen inches) from the top—and set the [entry] door of the ark in its side; and you shall make it with lower, second and third decks. 17 For behold, I, even I, will bring a flood of waters on the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b], to destroy all life under the heavens in which there is the breath and spirit of life; everything that is on the [blland[/b] shall die. 18 But I will establish My covenant (solemn promise, formal agreement) with you; and you shall come into the ark—you and your [three] sons and your wife, and your sons’ wives with you. 19 And of every living thing [found on [blland[/b]], you shall bring two of every kind into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female. 20 Of fowls and birds according to their kind, of animals according to their kind, of every crawling thing of the ground according to its kind—two of every kind shall come to you to keep them alive. 21 Also take with you every kind of food that is edible, and you shall collect and store it; and it shall be food for you and for them.” 22 So Noah did this; according to all that God commanded him, that is what he did.

The Flood
7 Then the Lord said to Noah, “Come into the ark, you with all your household, for you [alone] I have seen as righteous (doing what is right) before Me in this generation. 2 Of every clean animal you shall take with you seven pair, the male and his female, and of animals that are not clean, two each the male and his female; 3 also of the birds of the air, seven pair, the male and the female, to keep the offspring alive on the surface of the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b]. 4 For in seven days I am going to cause it to rain on the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b] for forty days and forty nights; and I will destroy (blot out, wipe away) every living thing that I have made from the surface of the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b].” 5 So Noah did all that the Lord commanded him.

6 Noah was six hundred years old when the flood (deluge) of water came on the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b] [covering all of the [blland[/b]]. 7 Then Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons’ wives with him entered the ark to escape the flood waters. 8 Of [j]clean animals and animals that are not clean and birds and fowls and everything that crawls on the ground, 9 they came [motivated by God] into the ark with Noah two by two, the male and the female, just as God had commanded Noah. 10 And after the seven days [God released the rain and] the floodwaters came on the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b]. 11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month, on that same day all the fountains of the great deep [subterranean waters] burst open, and the windows and floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 It rained on the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b] for forty days and forty nights.

13 On the very same day Noah and Shem and Ham and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah’s wife and the three wives of his sons with them, entered the ark, 14 they and every animal according to its kind, all the livestock according to their kinds, every moving thing that crawls on the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b] according to its kind, and every bird according to its kind, every winged thing of every sort. 15 So they went into the ark with Noah, two by two of all living beings in which there was the breath and spirit of life. 16 Those which entered, male and female of all flesh (creatures), entered as God had commanded Noah; and the Lord closed the door behind him.

17 The flood [the great downpour of rain] was forty days and nights on the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b]; and the waters increased and lifted up the ark, and it floated [high] above the [blland[/b]. 18 The waters became mighty and increased greatly on the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b], and the ark floated on the surface of the waters. 19 The waters prevailed so greatly and were so mighty and overwhelming on the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b], so that all the high mountains everywhere under the heavens were covered. 20 [In fact] the waters became [k]fifteen cubits higher [than the highest ground], and the mountains were covered. 21 All living beings that moved on the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b] perished—birds and cattle (domestic animals), [wild] animals, all things that swarm and crawl on the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b], and all mankind. 22 Everything on the dry [blland[/b], all in whose nostrils was the breath and spirit of life, died. 23 God destroyed (blotted out, wiped away) every living thing that was on the surface of the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b]; man and animals and the crawling things and the birds of the heavens were destroyed from the [blland[/b]. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark remained alive. 24 The waters covered [all of] the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b] for a hundred and fifty days (five months).

TheLearner · Jun 11, 2021

The Flood Abates
8 And God remembered and thought kindly of Noah and every living thing and all the animals that were with him in the ark; and God made a wind blow over the [blland[/b], and the waters receded. 2 Also the fountains of the deep [subterranean waters] and the windows of the heavens were closed, the [pouring] rain from the sky was restrained, 3 and the waters receded steadily from the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b]. At the end of a hundred and fifty days the waters had diminished. 4 On the seventeenth day of the seventh month [five months after the rain began], the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat [in [l]Turkey]. 5 The waters continued to decrease until the tenth month; on the first day of the tenth month the tops of the mountains were seen.

6 At the end of [another] forty days Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made; 7 and he sent out a raven, which flew here and there until the waters were dried up from the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b]. 8 Then Noah sent out a dove to see if the water level had fallen below the surface of the [blland[/b]. 9 But the dove found no place on which to rest the sole of her foot, and she returned to him to the ark, for the waters were [still] on the face of the entire [bl earth = land or dirt [/b]. So he reached out his hand and took the dove, and brought her into the ark. 10 He waited another seven days and again sent the dove out from the ark. 11 The dove came back to him in the evening, and there, in her beak, was a fresh olive leaf. So Noah knew that the water level had subsided from the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b]. 12 Then he waited another seven days and sent out the dove, but she did not return to him again.

13 Now in the six hundred and first year [of Noah’s life], on the first day of the first month, the waters were drying up from the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b]. Then Noah removed the covering of the ark and looked, and the surface of the ground was drying. 14 On the twenty-seventh day of the second month the [blland[/b] was [entirely] dry. 15 And God spoke to Noah, saying, 16 “Go out of the ark, you and your wife and your sons and their wives with you. 17 Bring out with you every living thing from all flesh—birds and animals and every crawling thing that crawls on the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b]—that they may breed abundantly on the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b], and be fruitful and multiply on the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b].” 18 So Noah went out, and his wife and his sons and their wives with him [after being in the ark one year and ten days]. 19 Every animal, every crawling thing, every bird—and whatever moves on the [blland[/b]—went out by families (types, groupings) from the ark.

20 And Noah built an altar to the Lord, and took of every [ceremonially] clean animal and of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. 21 The Lord smelled the pleasing aroma [a soothing, satisfying scent] and the Lord said to Himself, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intent (strong inclination, desire) of man’s heart is wicked from his youth; and I will never again destroy every living thing, as I have done.

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“While the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b] remains,
Seedtime and harvest,
Cold and heat,
Winter and summer,
And day and night
Shall not cease.”

Covenant of the Rainbow
9 And God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b]. 2 The fear and the terror of you shall be [instinctive] in every animal of the [blland[/b] and in every bird of the air; and together with everything that moves on the ground, and with all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hand. 3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you; I give you everything, as I gave you the green plants and vegetables. 4 But you shall not eat meat along with its life, that is, its blood. 5 For your lifeblood I will most certainly require an accounting; from every animal [that kills a person] I will require it. And from man, from every man’s brother [that is, anyone who murders] I will require the life of man.

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“Whoever sheds man’s blood [unlawfully],
By man (judicial government) shall his blood be shed,
For in the image of God
He made man.
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“As for you, be fruitful and multiply;
Populate the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b] abundantly and multiply in it.”

8 Then God spoke to Noah and to his sons with him, saying, 9 “Now behold, I am establishing My covenant (binding agreement, solemn promise) with you and with your descendants after you 10 and with every living creature that is with you—the birds, the livestock, and the wild animals of the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b] along with you, of everything that comes out of the ark—every living creature of the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b]. 11 I will establish My covenant with you: Never again shall all flesh be cut off by the water of a flood, nor shall there ever again be a flood to destroy and ruin the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b].” 12 And God said, “This is the token (visible symbol, memorial) of the [solemn] covenant which I am making between Me and you and every living creature that is with you, for all future generations; 13 I set My rainbow in the clouds, and it shall be a sign of a covenant between Me and the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b]. 14 It shall come about, when I bring clouds over the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b], that the rainbow shall be seen in the clouds, 15 and I will [compassionately] remember My covenant, which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and never again will the water become a flood to destroy all flesh. 16 When the rainbow is in the clouds and I look at it, I will [solemnly] remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b].” 17 And God said to Noah, “This [rainbow] is the sign of the covenant (solemn pledge, binding agreement) which I have established between Me and all living things on the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b].”

18 The sons of Noah who came out of the ark were Shem and Ham and Japheth. Ham would become the father of Canaan. 19 These are the three sons of Noah, and from these [men] the [bl earth = land or dirt [/b] was populated and scattered with inhabitants.

20 And Noah began to farm and cultivate the ground and he planted a vineyard. 21 He drank some of the wine and became drunk, and he was uncovered and lay exposed inside his tent. 22 Ham, the father of Canaan, saw [by accident] the nakedness of his father, and [to his father’s shame] told his two brothers outside. 23 So Shem and Japheth took a robe and put it on both their shoulders, and walked backwards and covered the nakedness of their father; their faces were turned away so that they did not see their father’s nakedness. 24 When Noah awoke from his wine [induced stupor], he knew what his younger son [Ham] had done to him. 25 So he said,

“Cursed be Canaan [the son of Ham];
[m]A servant of servants
He shall be to his brothers.”

26 He also said,

“Blessed be the Lord,
The God of [n]Shem;
And let Canaan be his servant.
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“May God enlarge [the [blland[/b] of] Japheth,
And [o]let [p]him dwell in the tents of Shem;
And let Canaan be his servant.”

28 Noah lived three hundred and fifty years after the flood. 29 So all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years, and he died.

Descendants of Noah
10 These are the records of the generations (descendants) of Shem, Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah; and the sons born to them after the flood:

TheLearner · Jun 11, 2021

https://christianhistoryinstitute.org/magazine/article/did-the-reformers-reject-copernicus

Give Calvin a read on Science https://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/calcom11.ii.i.html#Bible:Ps.93.1
https://biologos.org/articles/john-calvin-on-nicolaus-copernicus-and-heliocentrism/

TheLearner · Jun 11, 2021

Experiment One – The Olive Tree
Purchase a small five foot olive tree from a local nursery, place it in a
burlap sack with two bricks on the bottom for weight, secure the top of the sack
around the truck of the olive tree and attached a cord to facilitate lowering and
raising the tree. Completely submerge the tree in a swimming pool, or suitable
body of water, and leave there for not five months but three. The first month
nothing will appear to be happening. The second month leaves will began to
appear on the bottom of the pool. At the end of the third month the tree will be
leafless. Raise the tree from the pool and plant it in potting soil and care for it.
After a month a gentle flexing of the outer branches will cause them to snap off.
At the end of another month the truck will snap off. The tree is not only leafless
but dead. The dove therefore could only have returned with a leaf from an olive
tree that had never been underwater and thus there was no world-wide flood and
God did not cause the death of anyone. Try this by replacing the pool with a river.

TheLearner · Jun 11, 2021

https://biologos.org/articles/john-calvin-on-nicolaus-copernicus-and-heliocentrism/
https://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/calcom11.ii.i.html#Bible:Ps.93.1

In Galileo's day who refused to even look into his telescope because they believed what they would see was a deception of Satan? Until Mankind explored the whole planet, there was not a concept of a whole planet as we know today.
There may have been some speculation by philosophers who had no influence over the Bible. The concept of earth as we know it today would not have been in a translation of the Bible until wycliffe.

https://www.oed.com/viewdictionaryentry/Entry/59023

"a1425 (▸a1382) Bible (Wycliffite, E.V.) (Corpus Oxf.) (1850) Gen. i. 10 God clepid the drie, erthe [L. terram]; and the gaderyngis of ..."

Thus today's translations are based on Tradition alone.

TheLearner · Jun 11, 2021

https://bedejournal.blogspot.com/2006/11/who-refused-to-look-through-galileos.html
https://thonyc.wordpress.com/2012/08/23/refusing-to-look/
https://www.libraryofsocialscience.com/newsletter/posts/2016/2016-05-12-Galileo.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar...eo announced that he,only be a perfect sphere.

TheLearner · Jun 11, 2021

too tired to continue today. if I missed a post, simply post see number 999.

49 · Jun 11, 2021

PennEd said:

They do not believe God's Word, and have been misled themselves?

TheLearner · Jun 12, 2021

49 said:

I believe God's word, I simply question the interpretation given by man's traditions.

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As to the cogency of the proof from tradition for the geographical universality of the Flood, it must be remembered that very few of the Fathers touched upon this question ex professo. Among those who do so there are some who restrict the Deluge to certain parts of the earth's surface without incurring the blame of offending against tradition.

The earthly paradise, e.g., was exempted by many, irrespective of its location on the top of a high mountain or elsewhere;
the same must be said of the place in which Mathusala must have lived during the Flood according to the Septuagint reading;
St. Augustine knows of writers who exempted the mountain Olympus from the Flood, though he himself does not agree with them;
Pseudo-Justin hesitatingly rejects the opinion of those who restrict the Flood to the parts of the earth actually inhabited by men;
Cajetan revived the opinion that the Flood did not cover Olympus and other high mountains, believing that Genesis spoke only of the mountains under the aerial heaven;
Tostatus sees a figure of speech in the expression of the Bible which implies the universality of the Flood; at any rate, he exempts the earthly Paradise from the Deluge, since Henoch had to be saved.

If the Fathers had considered the universality of the Flood as part of the body of ecclesiastical tradition, or of the deposit of faith, they would have defended it more vigorously. It is true that the Congregation of the Index condemned Vossius's treatise "De Septuaginta Interpretibus" in which he defended, among other doctrines, the view that the Flood covered only the inhabited part of the earth; but theologians of great weight maintained that the work was condemned on account of its Protestant author, and not on account of its doctrine.
(c) There are also certain scientific considerations which oppose the view that the Flood was geographically universal. Not that science opposes any difficulty insuperable to the power of God; but it draws attention to a number of most extraordinary, if not miraculous phenomena involved in the admission of a geographically universal Deluge.

First, no such geological traces can be found as ought to have been left by a universal Deluge; for the catastrophe connected with the beginning of the ice-age, or the geological deluge, must not be connected with the Biblical.
Secondly, the amount of water required by a universal Deluge, as described in the Bible, cannot be accounted for by the data furnished in the Biblical account. If the surface of the earth, in round numbers, amounts to 510,000,000 square kilometres, and if the elevation of the highest mountains reaches about 9000 metres, the water required by the Biblical Flood, if it be universal, amounts to about 4,600,000,000 cubic kilometres. Now, a forty days' rain, ten times more copious than the most violent rainfall known to us, will raise the level of the sea only about 800 metres; since the height to be attained is about 9000 metres, there is still a gap to be filled by unknown sources amounting to a height of more than 8000 metres, in order to raise the water to the level of the greatest mountains.
Thirdly, if the Biblical Deluge was geographically universal, the sea water and the fresh water would mix to such an extent that neither the marine animals nor the fresh-water animals could have lived in the mixture without a miracle.
Fourthly, there are serious difficulties connected with the animals in the ark, if the Flood was geographically universal: How were they brought to Noah from the remote regions of the earth in which they lived? How could eight persons take care of such an array of beasts? Where did they obtain the food necessary for all the animals? How could the arctic animals live with those of the torrid zone for a whole year and under the same roof?

No Catholic commentator will repudiate an explanation merely for fear of having to admit a miracle; but no Catholic has a right to admit Biblical miracles which are not well attested either by Scripture or tradition. What is more, there are traces in the Biblical Flood story which favour a limited extent of the catastrophe: Noah could have known the geographical universality of the Deluge only by revelation; still the Biblical account appears to have been written by an eye-witness. If the Flood had been universal, the water would have had to fall from the height of the mountains in India to the level of those in Armenia on which the ark rested, i.e. about 11,500 feet, within the space of a few days. The fact that the dove is said to have found "the waters . . . upon the whole earth", and that Noah "saw that the face of the earth was dried", leaves the impression that the inspired writer uses the word "earth" in the restricted sense of "land". Attention has been drawn also to the "bough of an olive tree, with green leaves" carried by the dove in her mouth on her second return to the ark.The Deluge must have been anthropologically universal, i.e. it must have destroyed the whole human race
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https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04702a.htm

TheLearner · Jun 12, 2021

"And thus, as the single family of Noah was preserved through the deluge of water to renew the human race, so, in the deluge of superstition that flooded the whole world, there remained but the one family of Terah in which the seed of God's city was preserved. " https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/120116.htm Augustine

TheLearner · Jun 12, 2021

You closed the doors to save the righteous one; You opened the floods to destroy the unclean. https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3702a.htm

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Chapter 19. Accurate Account of the Deluge.
And neither does he make out that there was a second flood: on the contrary, he said that never again would there be a flood of water on the world; as neither indeed has there been, nor ever shall be. And he says that eight human beings were preserved in the ark, in that which had been prepared by God's direction, not by Deucalion, but by Noah; which Hebrew word means rest, as we have elsewhere shown that Noah, when he announced to the men then alive that there was a flood coming, prophesied to them, saying, Come there, God calls you to repentance. On this account he was fitly called Deucalion. And this Noah had three sons (as we mentioned in the second book), whose names were Shem, and Ham, and Japhet; and these had three wives, one wife each; each man and his wife. This man some have surnamed Eunuchus. All the eight persons, therefore, who were found in the ark were preserved. And Moses showed that the flood lasted forty days and forty nights, torrents pouring from heaven, and from the fountains of the deep breaking up, so that the water overtopped every high hill 15 cubits. And thus the race of all the men that then were was destroyed, and those only who were protected in the ark were saved; and these, we have already said, were eight. And of the ark, the remains are to this day to be seen in the Arabian mountains. This, then, is in sum the history of the deluge."
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/02043.htm

When I have time, I will investigate the Hebrew for mountain or hill.

https://biblehub.com/hebrew/2022.htm as you can see high hill is reasonable translation. But needs deeper investigation.

TheLearner · Jun 12, 2021

TheLearner said:

The Hebrew (modern) can mean Mountain. Biblical Hebrew more likely simply means hill.

TheLearner · Jun 12, 2021

TheLearner said:

we are in fact discussing human fallible interpretations. I already started the discussion that our human interpretations are not equal to being Scripture which applies to me too. As well as to those who are leaning on the human traditions of Man.

AandW · Jun 12, 2021

PennEd said:

Even though I hate using Scientific Terminology to explain things, are you claiming God created a Pangea within a 6 month period, not like Science suggests 250 million years period, with the Flood of Noah?

TheLearner · Jun 12, 2021

AandW said:

Continental drift was discounted long ago.

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According to the continental drift theory, the supercontinent Pangaea began to break up about 225-200 million years ago, eventually fragmenting into the continents as we know them today.

Plate tectonics is a relatively new scientific concept, introduced some 30 years ago, but it has revolutionized our understanding of the dynamic planet upon which we live. The theory has unified the study of the Earth by drawing together many branches of the earth sciences, from paleontology (the study of fossils) to seismology (the study of earthquakes). It has provided explanations to questions that scientists had speculated upon for centuries -- such as why earthquakes and volcanic eruptions occur in very specific areas around the world, and how and why great mountain ranges like the Alps and Himalayas formed."
https://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/dynamic/historical.html

The Bible geology does not in anyway similar to one land mass of Pangaea.

Take the time to list Nations and their locations in the Bible. Egypt for starters. The lands, countries of the Bible occupy the same land charticistis as today.

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Tectonic Activity

Scientists did not accept Wegener’s theory of continental drift. One of the elements lacking in the theory was the mechanism for how it works—why did the continents drift and what patterns did they follow? Wegener suggested that perhaps the rotation of the Earth caused the continents to shift towards and apart from each other. (It doesn't.)

Today, we know that the continents rest on massive slabs of rock called tectonic plates. The plates are always moving and interacting in a process called plate tectonics.

The continents are still moving today. Some of the most dynamic sites of tectonic activity are seafloor spreading zones and giant rift valleys.

In the process of seafloor spreading, molten rock rises from within the Earth and adds new seafloor (oceanic crust) to the edges of the old. Seafloor spreading is most dynamic along giant underwater mountain ranges known as mid-ocean ridges. As the seafloor grows wider, the continents on opposite sides of the ridge move away from each other. The North American and Eurasian tectonic plates, for example, are separated by the Mid-Atlantic Ridge. The two continents are moving away from each other at the rate of about 2.5 centimeters (1 inch) per year.

Rift valleys are sites where a continental landmass is ripping itself apart. Africa, for example, will eventually split along the Great Rift Valley system. What is now a single continent will emerge as two—one on the African plate and the other on the smaller Somali plate. The new Somali continent will be mostly oceanic, with the Horn of Africa and Madagascar its largest landmasses.

The processes of seafloor spreading, rift valley formation, and subduction (where heavier tectonic plates sink beneath lighter ones) were not well-established until the 1960s. These processes were the main geologic forces behind what Wegener recognized as continental drift."
https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/continental-drift/

Since 1994 Australia has moved 4.9 feet. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...es-gps-coordinates-adjusted-continental-drift

San Andreas fault can move up to 2 inches a year. https://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/earthq3/safaultgip.html

Continental drift outdated, the Plates is now vogue.

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