Acts /1cor 12, 13, 14 baptsim in the HG and gifts of the Spirit
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My children are a "product" of the brownsville revival.
You are going by what you were erroneously told.
In fact,my children were beginning to concern me with their apathy,which seemed to be taking ahold of them ,mainly from peers.
I very skeptically went to Pensacola around 1996 and was absolutely disarmed by the awesome presence of God there.
We subsequently sold our posessins,3 rent houses,bought a travel trailer,and moved there with kids and dogs,to be in possibly the greatest revival America has ever seen.
Saw nothing,I MEAN NOTHING, unbiblical.
Now,over time I did see a few things,as would be expected from any gathering of MILLIONS of people to a single location.
And btw,if unbiblical happenings,are the criteria,then Jesus ministry failed,and subsequent failures in the body of Christ PROVES, all of Christendom itself to be a fraud.
You are going by what you were erroneously told.
In fact,my children were beginning to concern me with their apathy,which seemed to be taking ahold of them ,mainly from peers.
I very skeptically went to Pensacola around 1996 and was absolutely disarmed by the awesome presence of God there.
We subsequently sold our posessins,3 rent houses,bought a travel trailer,and moved there with kids and dogs,to be in possibly the greatest revival America has ever seen.
Saw nothing,I MEAN NOTHING, unbiblical.
Now,over time I did see a few things,as would be expected from any gathering of MILLIONS of people to a single location.
And btw,if unbiblical happenings,are the criteria,then Jesus ministry failed,and subsequent failures in the body of Christ PROVES, all of Christendom itself to be a fraud.
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1 Corinthians 12New International Version (NIV)
Concerning Spiritual Gifts
12 Now about the gifts of the Spirit, brothers and sisters, I do not want you to be uninformed. 2 You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. 3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.
7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.
****so how do you determine which gifts God has given you and how do you find your place in the Body of Christ?
Concerning Spiritual Gifts
12 Now about the gifts of the Spirit, brothers and sisters, I do not want you to be uninformed. 2 You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. 3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.
7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.
****so how do you determine which gifts God has given you and how do you find your place in the Body of Christ?
David Hogan -
https://testallthings.com/2007/03/19/david-hogan/
A Mexican man named Alvin LaVaughn Landry was a lifelong friend of Hogan’s and served in Hogan’s mission from 1983-1993. Few have been closer. Landry openly disclosed that:
“David’s problems go way back and he has been telling tall tales his whole life. I have caught him in so many lies that I have lost track.”
He was then asked if Hogan was a pathological liar. Alvin Landry said, “Yes”
Landry says:
“David picks up people to work for him that are insecure or with troubled backgrounds or in a crisis. His main thing is control. He controls like a gang leader. … He uses all kinds of profanity and covers it by saying that you should say all that is in your heart. He has expressed very immoral and vulgar things about women using the rationale that if you say it out, you won’t do it. … He treats women like mules. … His authority can’t be challenged. … Somebody needs to stand up. … He has serious mental problems.”
Now the problem with people claims power to raise people from the dead,
show us one. Where is there one person other than David who testifies
to this reality.
Pathological liars can never be relied on to speak the truth.
So much stuff sounds great, if true, but it can be just too much.
If you have someone who knows the guy close and personal and testifies
as he is a pathological liar, he has to have something on the other side
to balance it out.
And if these guys are the examples of the power of God working, God help
your view of Gods reality.
https://testallthings.com/2007/03/19/david-hogan/
A Mexican man named Alvin LaVaughn Landry was a lifelong friend of Hogan’s and served in Hogan’s mission from 1983-1993. Few have been closer. Landry openly disclosed that:
“David’s problems go way back and he has been telling tall tales his whole life. I have caught him in so many lies that I have lost track.”
He was then asked if Hogan was a pathological liar. Alvin Landry said, “Yes”
Landry says:
“David picks up people to work for him that are insecure or with troubled backgrounds or in a crisis. His main thing is control. He controls like a gang leader. … He uses all kinds of profanity and covers it by saying that you should say all that is in your heart. He has expressed very immoral and vulgar things about women using the rationale that if you say it out, you won’t do it. … He treats women like mules. … His authority can’t be challenged. … Somebody needs to stand up. … He has serious mental problems.”
Now the problem with people claims power to raise people from the dead,
show us one. Where is there one person other than David who testifies
to this reality.
Pathological liars can never be relied on to speak the truth.
So much stuff sounds great, if true, but it can be just too much.
If you have someone who knows the guy close and personal and testifies
as he is a pathological liar, he has to have something on the other side
to balance it out.
And if these guys are the examples of the power of God working, God help
your view of Gods reality.
Matthew 11:4-6 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Jesus answered and said to them, "Go and report to John what you hear and see:
[SUP]5 [/SUP] the BLIND RECEIVE SIGHT and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the POOR HAVE THE GOSPEL PREACHED TO THEM.[SUP]6 [/SUP] "And blessed is he who does not take offense at Me."
Mark 16:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
1 Corinthians 12:7-9 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] To another faith by the same to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
1 Corinthians 12:10-11 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
Romans 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] What then? If some did not believe, their unbelief will not nullify the faithfulness of God, will it?
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Jesus answered and said to them, "Go and report to John what you hear and see:
[SUP]5 [/SUP] the BLIND RECEIVE SIGHT and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the POOR HAVE THE GOSPEL PREACHED TO THEM.[SUP]6 [/SUP] "And blessed is he who does not take offense at Me."
Mark 16:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
1 Corinthians 12:7-9 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] To another faith by the same to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
1 Corinthians 12:10-11 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
Romans 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] What then? If some did not believe, their unbelief will not nullify the faithfulness of God, will it?
Sigh! You can't tell me nothing new about Pentecostalism, I was in it for years. Where Pentecostals really miss it is that they believe that if there is a spiritual power in evidence in a Christian meeting that it has to be the Holy Spirit. Nothing could be further from the truth. People can be using the words God and Jesus and spirit and people can be falling down and running into walls and shaking all over...AND IT IS NOT GOD! Jesus said that at the end of the age there would be false anointed ones(Christ), all you hear about in Pentecostal meetings is about someone with the anointing. The origin of Pentecostalism was one of demonic spirits and disarray, ever wonder why the Pentecostal movement chose to ignore the word of God that says a woman should not be in authority over a man in the church? Because following the word of God would cramp the style of the demons in that movement. To sum this up, feeling a spiritual power in a meeting does not mean that that power is God.
The problem is always emotional projection.
We always only feel what is within us. We project that the other party is
feeling the same thing, but it will always just be us creating in us the feeling we
think they are going through. It is a sad reality of life.
It is why we need to be wise as snakes and as innocent as doves.
Praise the Lord wherever you are, and know God is always with you.
The Lord does not arrive at a meeting, He walks in with you.
The Lord may fall with the Spirit on people, or it maybe something else.
The enemy cannot touch us, so walk tall, and know your King.
The truth of people will always come out into the light in time.
We always only feel what is within us. We project that the other party is
feeling the same thing, but it will always just be us creating in us the feeling we
think they are going through. It is a sad reality of life.
It is why we need to be wise as snakes and as innocent as doves.
Praise the Lord wherever you are, and know God is always with you.
The Lord does not arrive at a meeting, He walks in with you.
The Lord may fall with the Spirit on people, or it maybe something else.
The enemy cannot touch us, so walk tall, and know your King.
The truth of people will always come out into the light in time.
I think that is a good question and it can be answered in the bible found in John chapter 11 Jesus raised [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif]Lazarus from the dead . Jesus was touched by the pain of those who loved Lazarus this is why the shortest verse in the New testament is " "Jesus wept". if you go back to John 9 two chapter earlier you see the disciples asking a question about the Blind man and who had sinned that he was born this way . what did Jesus say? John 9:3"[/FONT]Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him."
:4 says " I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work."
Jesus raised the dead for many reasons the bible say HE did for :
1. to show HIS love
2. to show HIS Power
3. To teach His followers
Jesus said in John 14:12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif] We are to do the Works that Jesus did so HE get the glory. Heal in His name , cast out devils , pray for the sick , Lead the lost to Christ. to your answer Jesus raised the dead to prove HE was God and the raising of Lazarus from the dead was the most power miracle to the Jews that the bible says People from all over came to see this man and we see later in John's account Lazarus was with HIM eating. [/FONT]
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:4 says " I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work."
Jesus raised the dead for many reasons the bible say HE did for :
1. to show HIS love
2. to show HIS Power
3. To teach His followers
Jesus said in John 14:12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif] We are to do the Works that Jesus did so HE get the glory. Heal in His name , cast out devils , pray for the sick , Lead the lost to Christ. to your answer Jesus raised the dead to prove HE was God and the raising of Lazarus from the dead was the most power miracle to the Jews that the bible says People from all over came to see this man and we see later in John's account Lazarus was with HIM eating. [/FONT]
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the reason why is we are adopted into the family of God. and a adopted son has all rights as a nature born son correct? So if salvation came to the Jews which it did and the Spirit came on them as HE did . the same salvation saved the gentile. The Same Holy Spirit empowered the gentiles as HE did the Jews . yes Peter did explain this wonderful event in Acts 2. But he also said this was for all that the Lord should call.