Acts 2.38 is to Israel not gentiles

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Are you one of the 12 tribes ?
Romans 2:28–29 (NKJV): 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; 29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.
 

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Because it would be strange for Peter to preach something he did not know until Acts 10 / 11 with Cornelius. ( 10 years later no less ) Peter needed a vision from God to be shown that Gentiles were NOW granted repentance.

16Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

17Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

18¶When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

19¶Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.
We d have to be out our minds to think Peter has Gentiles in mind in Acts 2 .
It doesn't matter! The scripture tells us that it is for all people. Jesus also said "I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also." The other sheep are Gentile believers.
 

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39For the promise is unto you, ( Jews and proselytes and to your children , and to all that are afar off ( Those scattered and dispersed Jews ) , even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Jews .
for all whom the Lord our God will call.
"all whom the Lord our God will call" includes all Gentile believers

Besides all of this, repentance is required by all people, both Jew and Gentile, not just Israel.
 
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Then your not sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption then. Eph 1.12-13 . Eph 4 30 . Your depending on you to save your self .
That verse is talking about how the Holy Spirit is the down payment for more to come. A Seal like a wax seal, a transactional terminology. This does not mean that one can keep fornicating and go to heaven. Repentance and holiness is a requirement.

The Holy Spirit will produce repentance and Holiness.
 

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The blood of bulls and goats remitted sins..Without the shedding of blood there's no forgiveness of sins . The problem they had was the blood of animals could not redeem sins . Only the blood of Christ redeemed sin .
And when they used the blood to feed God, as the pagans did for their Gods and not for the remission of sin, the first chapter of Isaiah really lets them have it with both barrels. We are to use the blood that Jesus gave for us for the remission of sin, or that first chapter of Isaiah is for us, also. It isn't only the fact that what Christ did can free us of our sin, we must use that to repent and accept what it meant for Christ to do that for us.
 
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Can I ask how and when you were sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption? When did you recieve Jesus ? And how ?
I was in jail and I was ashamed of what I had done and I wanted to get out of jail and be a different person than I had been. I began to pray and eventually heard about Jesus and the message of the cross and salvation offered, forgiveness of my sins as if I had never sinned and the hope of eternal life. I believed it based on a few scriptures I read in some Gospel tracts and I prayed the prayers that were on them and at some point I realized I had changed and was not the same. Repentance and turning from sin and stopping sin in every area of my life was. Then I read the Bible I read the book of Acts and learned about the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and I asked for it and received it and became a witness to all those around me in prison. I then asked to be baptized in water by a volunteer chaplain in the jail hospital bath tub.

Fast forward 25 years and my wife divorced me for no good reason and I began to drink to drown the pain. I started drinking everyday and the Holy Spirit made it clear to me that if I did not repent I was in danger of waking up in hell with eternal regret. I heard the Lord say that if I would go to Adult and Teen Challenge a year long residential drug and alcohol ministry that "He would grant me repentance and deliver me and thrust me into the ministry." I did, and I graduated in 2018 an immediately enrolled in a 4 year bible college and took a job as a full time ministry intern in a church while training to pastor.

I know I heard from God and I know I will not wake up in hell in eternal regret. I was given a choice. I sensed the warning and the impending doom if I rejected the call to a holy life and I knew that there was an F5 tornado of the judgment of God coming toward me with no basement to hide in.

Now I am well on the way to pastoring a church in the near future and repentance and holiness is a message I am called to preach.
 

Blik

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I thought we were saved by faith . Then we are sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption?
If we were saved only because we believe that the power of Christ can save us, then the demons would be saved for they believe that and tremble. To have faith in Christ is to believe what Christ tells us, and Christ tells us to repent.

Mat_4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
 
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It doesn't matter! The scripture tells us that it is for all people. Jesus also said "I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also." The other sheep are Gentile believers.
Gentile believers are never referred to as sheep. You can check out romans to Philemon
 
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If someone is not wanting to repent of their sins there is no amount of believing in Jesus that is going to save them. They will die in their sins.
The Gospel to the Gentile, and to the Jew is still...
Repentance toward God and Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ Acts 20:21
In the first place, it was not your individual sins that cause God to reject you. It was Adam's sin in the garden, see Romans 5:12-19
 

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It doesn't matter! The scripture tells us that it is for all people. Jesus also said "I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also." The other sheep are Gentile believers.
He doesn't say gentiles .
 
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Hello throughfaith!

I don't know why you would claim that it is for the Jews only, when the scripture itself tells us who it is for:

"Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”

"all who are far off-for all whom the Lord will call."

Therefore, according to the scripture, it is addressed to all people.
Acts 11 And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.

2 And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,

3 Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.

Why didn't Peter remind them of what he stated in Acts 2, "The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”

Let scripture interpret scripture, obviously that Acts 2 verse cannot be referring to all people.
 

throughfaith

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"all whom the Lord our God will call" includes all Gentile believers

Besides all of this, repentance is required by all people, both Jew and Gentile, not just Israel.
Its 10 years after Acts 2 before Peter understand s that Repentence has been granted to gentiles. So he's still following the command Jesus gave him and tge the Apostles.
Mat 10.5
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

Acts 11
15And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

16Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

17Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

18¶When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

19¶Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.
 

throughfaith

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That verse is talking about how the Holy Spirit is the down payment for more to come. A Seal like a wax seal, a transactional terminology. This does not mean that one can keep fornicating and go to heaven. Repentance and holiness is a requirement.

The Holy Spirit will produce repentance and Holiness.
No one can break Gods seal .
 

Blik

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In the first place, it was not your individual sins that cause God to reject you. It was Adam's sin in the garden, see Romans 5:12-19
Again, when bible students get caught up in the Jew/gentile question, and assume God is a different God with a different voice, depending on our parentage, you are not reading scripture correctly.
 

throughfaith

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I was in jail and I was ashamed of what I had done and I wanted to get out of jail and be a different person than I had been. I began to pray and eventually heard about Jesus and the message of the cross and salvation offered, forgiveness of my sins as if I had never sinned and the hope of eternal life. I believed it based on a few scriptures I read in some Gospel tracts and I prayed the prayers that were on them and at some point I realized I had changed and was not the same. Repentance and turning from sin and stopping sin in every area of my life was. Then I read the Bible I read the book of Acts and learned about the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and I asked for it and received it and became a witness to all those around me in prison. I then asked to be baptized in water by a volunteer chaplain in the jail hospital bath tub.

Fast forward 25 years and my wife divorced me for no good reason and I began to drink to drown the pain. I started drinking everyday and the Holy Spirit made it clear to me that if I did not repent I was in danger of waking up in hell with eternal regret. I heard the Lord say that if I would go to Adult and Teen Challenge a year long residential drug and alcohol ministry that "He would grant me repentance and deliver me and thrust me into the ministry." I did, and I graduated in 2018 an immediately enrolled in a 4 year bible college and took a job as a full time ministry intern in a church while training to pastor.

I know I heard from God and I know I will not wake up in hell in eternal regret. I was given a choice. I sensed the warning and the impending doom if I rejected the call to a holy life and I knew that there was an F5 tornado of the judgment of God coming toward me with no basement to hide in.

Now I am well on the way to pastoring a church in the near future and repentance and holiness is a message I am called to preach.
Praise God for your salvation. I just think its better than you realise .
 

throughfaith

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Again, when bible students get caught up in the Jew/gentile question, and assume God is a different God with a different voice, depending on our parentage, you are not reading scripture correctly.
Its Jesus who makes the distinction.

Matthew 15:24

King James Version



24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Mat 10
These twelve Jesus sent forth and commanded them, saying, “Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not.

This remains until Acts 10 .
 

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Romans 2:28–29 (NKJV): 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; 29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.
So your one of the 12 tribes ?
 
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Again, when bible students get caught up in the Jew/gentile question, and assume God is a different God with a different voice, depending on our parentage, you are not reading scripture correctly.
I Have already given you the scripture.