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[FONT="]Kinda hard to be baptised when your hanging on a cross isn't it?[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
· [FONT="]Yes it would be very hard to be baptized while hanging on a cross. [/FONT]
· [FONT="]It would also be pointless after he died on the cross.[/FONT]
· [FONT="]So hmmm, that would leave us with another option, he could have been baptized prior to being hung on the cross.[/FONT]
· [FONT="]But even if he was not (which we have no way of knowing, your assuming) he was still under the old law, Jesus had not died and rose again.[/FONT]
· [FONT="]And by the way this a unique situation, I guess if you are ever hanging on a cross next to Christ, and he tells you, “you will be with me in paradise” then I would say you have no worries.[/FONT]
· [FONT="]But the fact is, that is not you on the cross next to him, and you have been commanded to do what you need to do.[/FONT]
· [FONT="]Belive, repent, confess, and be baptized and live faithful unto death – Rev 2:10.[/FONT]
· [FONT="]No all these are not found in one passage, that we we are to study – Acts 17:11, II Tim 2:15.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]Not true. Peter only commanded those who repented to be baptised. not to get saverd, but because they had remmision of sin. Much like John the baptist refused to baptise anyone who could not prove they already had remmision of sin. Read my above comment, I explained this in detail.[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
· [FONT="]How far will you twist an easy passage to hold to error?[/FONT]
· [FONT="]Im going to go ahead and break down your statement to expose the error of reading into the text.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]Quote: Peter only commanded those who repented to be baptised. not to get saverd, but because they had remmision of sin.[/FONT]
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· [FONT="]Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?[/FONT]
· [FONT="]They wanted to know what they needed to do to be saved, not because they were saved.[/FONT]
· [FONT="]When they heard Peter’s inspired sermon they were “pricked in their hearts”[/FONT]
· [FONT="]This is “godly sorrow” II Cor 7.[/FONT]
· [FONT="]II Cor 7:9 - Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance:[/FONT]
· [FONT="]2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.[/FONT]
· [FONT="]In Order to have “godly sorrow” you must already be a believer, otherwise it would not be godly.[/FONT]
· [FONT="]Godly sorrow works REPENTENCE, and REPENTENCE works SALVATION[/FONT]
· [FONT="]This is exactly what happened to the Jews in Acts 3:[/FONT]
[FONT="]o [/FONT][FONT="]They were pricked in their hearts – Godly sorrow[/FONT]
[FONT="]o [/FONT][FONT="]They wanted to know what to do – Repent – turn from their sins of Law and embrasse the New Coventant[/FONT]
[FONT="]o [/FONT][FONT="]Repentace worked salvation as they were baptized into Christ, and added to the church – Acts 2:47.[/FONT]
· [FONT="]Acts 2:38 “repent and be baptized FOR (eis) the remmision of sin.[/FONT]
· [FONT="]Not “because of “ as some try to force.[/FONT]
· [FONT="]Eis – for, unto toward, all crediable lexicons agree – vines, strongs, Thayer, all crediable Bible translations render “eis” as “for” KJV, NKJV, ASV, ESV.[/FONT]
· [FONT="]They were not saved until they obeyed the gospel.[/FONT]
· [FONT="]That is not done by simply believing.[/FONT]
· [FONT="]That would have been a perfect time to answer – “believe and say the sinners prayer”[/FONT]
· [FONT="]But instead “repent and baptize FOR the remission of Sins.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]Yet peter witness many gentiles get saved before they were baptised.[/FONT][FONT="] and paul said he was not sent to baptise, but preach the gospel. separating baptism and the gospel. why is this? [/FONT]
[FONT="]Answer: again, stop taking passages out of their context. If Paul was not sent to Baptise then why did he?[/FONT]
[FONT="]Again lets go to the context: [/FONT]1Co 1:16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. If he was not sent to baptize was he disobeying the Lord’s commands? Of course not. What Paul was saying is that the divisions they were making based upon who baptized them was not a part of the gospel, in which he was sent to preach. As said before without the gospel baptism is pointless. He was condemning their divisions, and in no way does his statement suggest that baptism itself is not a necessity Look at the immediate context of what is being discussed,
1Co 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
He is telling them of the unity they are supposed to have in Christ.
1Co 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
1Co 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
They were making divisions among themselves, like the denominations do today with creed books and founders.
1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
Is Christ divided he asks, no he is not, he then asks were you baptized in the name of Paul? They were not, so they had no reason to differentiate each other because they were all baptized in the name of Christ.
1Co 1:14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
So we see Paul did in fact baptize, he was glad he did not baptize the ones disputing.
Again your missing the point and making the Bible seem as it is in contradiction with itself.
In reality it is man and his interpretations that misuses the Bible as you are atempting. If we take one passage and understand it in such a way that it disagrees with other passages, we need to rethink what we have interpreted as the meaning of the passage. I mean instead of running with one passage, why don’t you go read what else Paul said concerning baptism? – Rom 6:1-f, Gal 3:27, Eph 4:4-5 and so much more.
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[FONT="]SHow me one person who was saved under the law? Hebrews would be a good start to find out who was saved under the law.[/FONT]
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[FONT="] ps. I used to believe this also.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]Lev_4:20[/FONT][FONT="] And he shall do with the bullock as he did with the bullock for a sin offering, so shall he do with this: and the priest shall make an atonement for them, and it shall be forgiven them. [/FONT]
[FONT="]Lev_4:26[/FONT][FONT="] And he shall burn all his fat upon the altar, as the fat of the sacrifice of peace offerings: and the priest shall make an atonement for him as concerning his sin, and it shall be forgiven him. [/FONT]
[FONT="]Lev_4:35[/FONT][FONT="] And he shall take away all the fat thereof, as the fat of the lamb is taken away from the sacrifice of the peace offerings; and the priest shall burn them upon the altar, according to the offerings made by fire unto the LORD: and the priest shall make an atonement for his sin that he hath committed, and it shall be forgiven him. [/FONT]
[FONT="]Lev_5:10[/FONT][FONT="] And he shall offer the second for a burnt offering, according to the manner: and the priest shall make an atonement for him for his sin which he hath sinned, and it shall be forgiven him. [/FONT]
[FONT="]Lev_5:13[/FONT][FONT="] And the priest shall make an atonement for him as touching his sin that he hath sinned in one of these, and it shall be forgiven him: and the remnant shall be the priest's, as a meat offering. [/FONT]
[FONT="]Lev_6:7[/FONT][FONT="] And the priest shall make an atonement for him before the LORD: and it shall be forgiven him for any thing of all that he hath done in trespassing therein. [/FONT]
[FONT="]Lev_19:22[/FONT][FONT="] And the priest shall make an atonement for him with the ram of the trespass offering before the LORD for his sin which he hath done: and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven him. [/FONT]
[FONT="]Num_15:25[/FONT][FONT="] And the priest shall make an atonement for all the congregation of the children of Israel, and it shall be forgiven them; for it is ignorance: and they shall bring their offering, a sacrifice made by fire unto the LORD, and their sin offering before the LORD, for their ignorance: [/FONT]
[FONT="]Num_15:28[/FONT][FONT="] And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the LORD, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]Are you saying God was lying to them? [/FONT]
[FONT="]What do you mean?[/FONT]
[FONT="]Are saying Abraham, Moses, David all were not saved?[/FONT]
[FONT="]They WERE SAVED BY OBEYING THE LAW BUT NOT UNTIL CHRIST SHED HIS BLOOD:[/FONT][FONT="]
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Eternally Grateful for the grace God has shown a wretched soul such as myself.
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, [/FONT]
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[FONT="]QUESTION CONCERING ROM 8:1:[/FONT]
[FONT="]HOW DO WE GET INTO CHRIST?????[/FONT]