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New Living Translation

Biblehub Romans 1:32

Romans 1:32

They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.


- CORRECT

 

[JLG]

John is very clear. He wrote the Book of Revelation from Patmos. And he wrote in that Book to seven churches, just as Paul had written to seven churches.

- My answer :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Patmos

John of Patmos (also called John the Revelator, John the Divine, John the Theologian) is the name traditionally given to the author of the Book of Revelation. The text of Revelation states that John was on Patmos, a Greek island where, according to most biblical historians, he was exiled as a result of anti-Christian persecution under the Roman emperor Domitian.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/apocalypse/revelation/white.html

The Book of Revelation was written sometime around 96 CE in Asia Minor. The author was probably a Christian from Ephesus known as "John the Elder." According to the Book, this John was on the island of Patmos, not far from the coast of Asia Minor, "because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus" (Rev. 1.10). This has traditionally been taken to mean that he had been exiled there as a martyr for his Christian faith. Some scholars, however, have suggested that it might have been a regular stop on a preaching circuit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_the_Apostle

John the Apostle[10] (Ancient Greek: Ἰωάννης; Latin: Ioannes[11] c. 6 AD – c. 100 AD; Ge'ez: ዮሐንስ or Saint John the Beloved was one of the Twelve Apostles of Jesus according to the New Testament. Generally listed as the youngest apostle, he was the son of Zebedee and Salome. His brother James was another of the Twelve Apostles. The Church Fathers identify him as John the Evangelist, John of Patmos, John the Elder, and the Beloved Disciple, and testify that he outlived the remaining apostles and was the only one to die of natural causes, although modern scholars are divided on the veracity of these claims.

- Let’s say John wrote his last will before dying!

- Now let’s have a look at Paul!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Apostle

Paul[a] (previously called Saul of Tarsus; c. 5 – c. 64/65 AD), commonly known as Paul the Apostle[7] and Saint Paul,[8] was a Christian apostle who spread the teachings of Jesus in the first-century world.[9] Generally regarded as one of the most important figures of the Apostolic Age,[8][10] he founded several Christian communities in Asia Minor and Europe from the mid-40s to the mid-50s AD.

- Romans:


A.D. 57


When Was Romans Written? The Apostle Paul wrote his epistle to the Romans before the end of his third missionary journey (around A.D. 57–59; approximately twenty-five years after the Resurrection of Jesus Christ).

The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Romans

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org › manual › the-epistle...

- Corinthians:

The First Letter of Paul to the Corinthians, probably written about 53–54 ce at Ephesus, Asia Minor, deals with problems that arose in the early years after Paul's initial missionary visit (c. 50–51) to Corinth and his establishment there of a Christian community.

Letters of Paul to the Corinthians - Encyclopedia Britannica

https://www.britannica.com › ... › Scriptures

- Galatians:

Paul likely wrote his Epistle to the Galatians while traveling through Macedonia during his third missionary journey in about A.D. 55–57 (see Bible Dictionary, “Pauline Epistles”).

Introduction to the Epistle of Paul to the Galatians

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org › study › manual › in..

- Ephesians:

AD 60–61


Paul wrote the letter to the Ephesians sometime in AD 60–61, around the same time he wrote Colossians and Philemon, as he sent all three letters by the hand of Tychicus, accompanied by Onesimus (Ephesians 6:21; Colossians 4:7–9; Philemon 1:10–12).

Book of Ephesians Overview - Insight for Living Ministries

https://insight.org › resources › bible › the-pauline-epistles

- Philippians:

about 62 ce


Paul the Apostle to the Philippians, abbreviation Philippians, eleventh book of the New Testament, written by St. Paul the Apostle to the Christian congregation he had established in Philippi. It was penned while he was in prison, probably at Rome or Ephesus, about 62 ce.


Letter of Paul to the Philippians | Summary & Facts | Britannica

https://www.britannica.com › ... › Scriptures

 

[JLG]

- Colossians:

When and where was it written? Paul wrote this epistle during his first imprisonment in Rome, around A.D. 60–62 (see Guide to the Scriptures, “Pauline Epistles,” scriptures.lds.org). Paul probably wrote the Epistle to the Colossians around the same time he wrote Philippians, Ephesians, and Philemon.

Introduction to the Epistle of Paul to the Colossians

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org › study › manual › in.

- Thessalonians:

When and where was it written? “Paul wrote the epistles to the Thessalonians from Corinth during his second missionary journey,” around A.D. 50–51 (Guide to the Scriptures, “Pauline Epistles,” scriptures.lds.org).

Introduction to the First Epistle of Paul to the Thessalonians

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org › study › manual › in...

- Timothy:

When and Where Was It Written? Paul's First Epistle to Timothy was likely written sometime between A.D. 64 and 65, possibly while Paul was in Macedonia (see Guide to the Scriptures, “Pauline Epistles,” scriptures.lds.org; 1 Timothy 1:3).

Introduction to 1 Timothy

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org › study › manual › in..
- Titus:

Paul wrote his letter to Titus from Nicopolis in AD 63, after the apostle's release from his first Roman imprisonment. Upon leaving Timothy in Ephesus to minister there, Paul accompanied Titus to the island of Crete, where he intended Titus to lead and organize the island's churches in their early years of existence.

Book of Titus Overview - Insight for Living Ministries

https://insight.org › resources › bible › the-pauline-epistles

- Philemon:

When and where was it written? The Epistle to Philemon was prepared by Paul during the Apostle's first imprisonment in Rome, around A.D. 60–62 (see Philemon 1:1, 9; Guide to the Scriptures, “Pauline Epistles,” scriptures.lds.org).

Introduction to the Epistle of Paul to Philemon

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org › study › manual › in.

- Hebrews:

The letter was composed sometime during the latter half of the 1st century and is the 19th book of the New Testament canon. To judge from its contents, the letter was addressed to a Christian community whose faith was faltering because of strong Jewish influences.

Letter to the Hebrews | Summary, Authorship, & Facts

https://www.britannica.com › ... › Scriptures

The Epistle to the Hebrews of the Christian Bible is one of the New Testament books whose canonicity was disputed. Traditionally, Paul the Apostle was thought to be the author. However, since the third century this has been questioned, and the consensus among most modern scholars is that the author is unknown.

Authorship of the Epistle to the Hebrews - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Authorship_of_the_Ep

 

[JLG]

Well, you certainly don't have to convince me to follow Paul. (I Cor. 11:1. I've got 10 Books of his memorized... And studied his journeys extensively... Phil. 4:9. It changed my whole life 43 years ago...

- My answer :

- I don't want to convince you of anything!

- It's only to see the difference!

- Jesus chose them for different objectives!

- What is striking is that it is like two heads!

- Paul organized his activity by himself!

- Of course, he went to Jerusalem when the discussion about circumcision arose!

- But he created groups and visited them and encouraged them by sending letters!

- Really a good job indeed!

 

[JLG]

Someone says :



Roman 1:1
[KJV] 1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
[NKJV] 1 Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated to the gospel of God
[NLT] 1 This letter is from Paul, a slave of Christ Jesus, chosen by God to be an apostle and sent out to preach his Good News.
[NIV] 1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God--
[ESV] 1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God,
[CSB] 1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle and set apart for the gospel of
God --
[NASB20] 1 Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called [as] an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God,
[LSB] 1 Paul, a slave of Christ Jesus, called [as] an apostle, having been set apart for the gospel of God,
[NET] 1 From Paul, a slave of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God.
[RSV] 1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God
[ASV] 1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
[YLT] 1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, a called apostle, having been separated to the good news of God --
[DBY] 1 Paul, bondman of Jesus Christ, [a] called apostle, separated to God's glad tidings,
[WEB] 1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated to the gospel of God,
[HNV] 1 Sha'ul, a servant of Yeshua the Messiah, called to be an apostle, set apart for the Good News of God,
[BBE] 1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, an Apostle by the selection of God, given authority as a preacher of the good news,

What about that (or ANY of these) translations is CORRUPT?

• The letter WAS written by Paul, from Paul, and that is why it begins with his name … see the letter from James for another example of First Century Letter Writing etiquette.
  
• GOD did choose Paul to be an Apostle (that is how one becomes an Apostle)
  
• What you appear to be railing against is Formal Equivalence vs Dynamic Equivalence as a translation philosophy … which is nonsensical since there is no such thing as a “literal translation” … most words do not have EXACT parallels in other languages and idioms require some form of Dynamic Equivalence to be meaningful.

So, what EXACTLY is “corrupt” in any of the translations of Romans 1:1 presented above?

 

[JLG]

- My answer :

- Here is what I wrote some time ago:

- Here all the versions (in Biblehub) seem to transmit the same message except one the Contemporary English Version !


- Contemporary English Version seems to indicate that it is easier to understand but it is corrupt !

- Here it says « God chose me to be an apostle, and he appointed me to preach the good news » !

- But all the other versions only say Paul a servant or slave of Christ Jesus and the gospel of God !

- And the original text shows it is not so !

 

[JLG]

Someone says :

All the other FORMAL EQUIVALENCE emphasis translations, but not other DYNAMIC EQUIVALENCE emphasis translations. The former was more concerned with communicating the original WORDS and SYNTAX as closely as possible, while the latter is more concerned with communicating the underlying MEANING as closely as possible.

How many “Gospels” or “Good News” from how many sources are there that it is critical to differentiate that THIS is the Good News from God and not one of the many other Gospels presented in the Bible? You appear to be straining gnats. Just use another translation if you prefer a different one … this does not rate a “Jihad” against the CEV for not following Formal Equivalence to your satisfaction.

 

[JLG]

- My answer :

- With underlying meaning you can go anywhere !

- « God chose me to be an apostle, and he appointed me to preach the good news » has nothing to do with the original text !

- What you call underlying meaning may seem so for you, but not for everybody !

- Now when you say « this does not rate a “Jihad” against the CEV for not following Formal Equivalence to your satisfaction », it clearly shows you have no idea what it means comparing translations !

- One example is nothing !

- You have to compare a chapter, then a whole book, then different books, then the whole Bible !

- Then you can get conclusions !

- But just with one example speaking of a Jihad, it’s completely ridiculous !