Adam and Eve only?

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Ariel82

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wow... even demons seem to know there is only ONE True GOD. the rest are just pretenders....

James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!
 
TheAristocat

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Show me where. Saying I am wrong is not good enough.

Gen 6:4 does not say they were the sons of Jehovah it says they were the sons of Elohim.

This applies to the children of human rulers for example the Roman Emperor Augustus referred to his relationship with his adoptive father, Julius Caesar as being the "son of a God."
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Eh. I think it's kind of weird to contrast daughters of men with sons of rulers. It's like saying, "the sons of rulers went to the daughters of humans." It's like... why throw the word humans in there at all? Why not just say, "the sons of rulers went to some women" if the assumption was we're only talking about human beings here? No need for a distinction. You are right that elohiym could be used to refer to human beings, but it was also used of God. In fact it was used of Baal (a supreme god in a certain pagan pantheon) once in the Bible if my memory proves correct.
 
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TheAristocat said:
Eh. I think it's kind of weird to contrast daughters of men with sons of rulers. It's like saying, "the sons of rulers went to the daughters of humans." It's like... why throw the word humans in there at all? Why not just say, "the sons of rulers went to some women" if the assumption was we're only talking about human beings here? No need for a distinction. You are right that elohiym could be used to refer to human beings, but it was also used of God. In fact it was used of Baal (a supreme god in a certain pagan pantheon) once in the Bible if my memory proves correct.
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Perhaps it was a little wordy, but then that is how it is in debate. :)

From Hosea 1:10 we see that the Israelites are spoken of as the "children of the living God" meaning they were the children of the living God as opposed to their dead idols and what was happening in Genesis 6:4 is that the Israilites who are the children of the living God were marrying the daughters of men i.e. pagans.

"Despite this, the number of the people of Israel will be like ocean sand, which can neither be measured nor counted. And the time will come when instead of it being said, 'You are not my people,' it will be said, 'You are children of the living God."
 
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VisAVisYou

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The point of the story of Adam & Eve is to tell you some very important things.

The serpent is included just so God can curse a creature that pagans revered :)

Eve is created. No other ancient near-eastern creation-story featured the creation of Woman. Woman has inherent worth.

The story's riddle is that, given the chance to be innocent, immortal, and fully taken cared of, would we as a species rather remain in Eden, as the most highly intelligent animal amongst God's creation, or would we as a species, rather opt out of this for the full awareness that comes with shedding one's innocence, even if meant losing our mortality, and the full offerings, and protections, of God. And the bible believes that we would as a species would opt out, and to fully be human. The ramifications of that choice is that our nature is ill-equipped for such a choice... given how rotten we are to each other... and to strike home the biblical message that we have to live in the now, not romanticize about Eden, and that Eden(Utopia) can never fully be had, in this lifetime. The messages are too many to cite. It talks about sex, male-female relations, God's idealic view, man's nature, our relationship to animals and the environment, inequality amongst the sexes, and many many other things.
 
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The point of the Nephilim was to include into the biblical narrative something very important: The concept that the super-natural and the natural can inter-marry and have man-gods.

It was so important, given that Pharroh thought he was God, and the Greeks believed in demi-Gods, to once and for all destroy that notion. It's inclusion in the text does not have a happy ending after all...

Since genesis is an all-out war against polytheism, this story would have been received as a slap on the face to the phonecians, assyrians, egyptians, those in cyprus, gelations, greeks, and just about every ancient people.
 
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