Hi Issachar,
Ok thats basically along the lines of Pelagian. It was condemned as heresy.
Its in your nature to lie. thats why we sin! Mans nature after the fall was continually evil.
Adam sinned without the sin nature, so how does that work? Sounds like we got the same choice to make as Adam, to sin or not to sin. We lie because we decide to, it benefits us in some way usually. Im not saying humans arent tempted or have evil inclinations, its a choice, but you guys are saying even infants are evil BEFORE they lie. Thats wicked. Pure evil. No one is guilty of anything until one commits something, no one is a liar until one lies. Even if that lie is guaranteed to come.
Was condenmned as heresy by who? the chief heretics themselves? According to the catholics you are also a heretic, so that "was condemned" thing goes no where. For such a core doctrine the bible sure is silent on original sin.
I responded your question you didnt respond to mine, but luckily John Calvin exposed this wicked teaching I knew something was fishy when you were dodging my question:
In this way God avenges contempt of His grace:
He hardens the hearts of the reprobate so that they never desire to repent.” (Calvin’s New Testament Commentaries, A Harmony of the Gospels: Matthew, Mark and Luke, Vol. II, p.47)
Just as I expected. I double checked to make sure by reprobate he doesnt mean what the bible means which is folks who sin until their conscience gets seared. But this guy means those who didnt win the grace lottery in heaven.
By predestination we mean the eternal decree of God, by which he determined with himself whatever he wished to happen with regard to every man. All are not created on equal terms, but some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation; and, accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of these ends, we say that he has been predestinated to life or to death (Institutes of the Christian Religion 3.21.5).
Pagan gnostic manichean garbage. Case closed. Cant wait for this cult to die out. Lucky for me these guys are cold-hearted robots with no spirituality so their evangelism produces no fruit, they preach repentance and cancel it out right away by preaching inability and you're gonna mess up, some have turned to liberal rock music and fancy lights to attract more people like John Piper. Usually they have a form of godliness and deny the power thereof. Which is why that mason macarthur who some here pretend to be is a cessationist. (Doesnt believe the bible which states gifts operate until Jesus [the perfect] returns).
God grants repentance, yet I hear calvinist preachers on stage claim they are sinners and sin everyday in thoughts and deeds, i could understand this if repentance was upto us. But they blame their failures on God. They say God grants repentance well looks like He failed, or maybe He gave like a half-way repentance? This preacher was john piper btw. I aint joking he said it.
So to recap: Calvinism is contradictory to itself and to the scriptures not to mention logic (and church fathers before Augustine). Its just gnostic manichean garbage repackaged by heretics during the reformation who believed infants went to hell without commiting a single sin and not to mention the HORRIBLE quotes from Luther, i cant even quote all the things that man said here. Look it up. I know ya wont, that guy is ya boy.
I'll see yall in the next thread, nothing to be done here.
