Against Calvinism: God reacts to mankind. God asks mankind.

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Laish

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Take that back. Us Calvinists are strict, rigid, heartless, w/o a sense of humor, no joy in our lives.

Does this man look like he had joy in his life? I trow not...


Many apologies brother .
oh dear do I have to turn in my John Calvin secret decoder ring?
You know we have them a Calvinist just said so .
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Many apologies brother .
oh dear do I have to turn in my John Calvin secret decoder ring?
You know we have them a Calvinist just said so .
Blesdings
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My John Calvin decoder ring spells out 'drink more ovaltine'. Huh? Srly? Whaaaa? :confused: :confused:
 

Johnny_B

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I've heard Calvinists say that God does not react to mankind, yet this happens in the bible (prayer being a clear example). There's also a place where God asks a man what he'd like him to do for man.

Genesis 18:25 "Far be it from You to do such a thing, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous and the wicked are treated alike. Far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly? 26So the LORD said, "If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare the whole place on their account. 27And Abraham replied, "Now behold, I have ventured to speak to the Lord, although I am but dust and ashes."

Man questions God. God reacts and answers. It's clear that the context of this conversation between God and Abraham is not... Abraham shut up and obey. The context is Abraham can talk to God and expect God to react with an answer. The context is Abraham can question God's will. The context is Abraham can argue with God. And God is okay with this.

God reacts by listening to us and responding. He gives us the time and the day graciously. He is personal, not a "you shut up and do what I say kind of God" for a lack of better words. The situation between Abraham and God as described above seems really striking to me. If you read it carefully, I think it's extremely bold of Abraham... even though he is being humble by saying he is but "dust and ashes."

I think Abraham had some doubts about what God was doing. He was concerned with the death of innocent people definitely and perhaps the death of not so innocent people as well, but that is only a perhaps.

In other scriptures, there is a character by the name of Gideon. He also wondered and doubted if God was commanding him. God asked for a miracle. God reacted and gave Gideon a miracle. Judges 6:39 Then Gideon said to God, "Do not be angry with me. Let me make just one more request. Allow me one more test with the fleece, but this time make the fleece dry and let the ground be covered with dew."

Like Abraham, Gideon showed humility... still seems audacious, but as you can see God gives mankind the time and the day, graciously. He listens and reacts to our prayers. According to Calvinism, this was a man that was regenerated and acted in his own nature-will. God reacted to him. God was not speaking to himself. He was speaking to two men, Abraham and Gideon.

Now, God asks mankind... Mark 10:51-52 "What do you want me to do for you?" Jesus asked him. The blind man said, "Rabbi, I want to see. Go," said Jesus, "your faith has healed you." Immediately he received his sight and followed Jesus along the road.

Still really weird, Jesus asks a man "What do you want me to do for you?" The man reacts with an answer. Jesus then proceeds to do that thing he asked for.

Again, God reacts to mankind. If he did not react, then he could not interact with us.

If the Calvinist claims that God determined it so it just looks like He's reacting to humans, but it was always His will to have this particular situations, then I can't help that Calvinist. That would be nonsense. Just like it's nonsense to judge a printer for not playing music... just as it's nonsense to judge a man who can only sin... to do perfect goodness.
​Are you sure that the Lord is reacting to Abraham or is Abraham reacting to the Lord. Genesis 18:16-21 "Then the men set out from there, and they looked down toward Sodom. And Abraham went with them to set them on their way.17 The Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do,18 seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?19 For I have chosen him, that he may command his children and his household after him to keep the way of the Lord by doing righteousness and justice, so that the Lord may bring to Abraham what he has promised him.”20 Then the Lord said, “Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great and their sin is very grave,21 I will go down to see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry that has come to me. And if not, I will know.”

It is clear from the context that the Lord told Abraham what He was going to do and Abraham react by asking or interceding for those in Sodom and Gormmorah, so you got the by not quoting the full context, also notice the reason He revealed this to Abraham, because "I have chosen him". You are wrong that He was going to kill innocent people, "their sin is very great" none were innocent they were all guilty of very grave sin. Abraham was not concerned with Sodom or Gormmorah, he was concerned about his nephew Lot and his family, he got all the way down to two
people and the Lord knew what he was asking and said even for ten and He departed.

With Gideon, Judges 6:11-13 "Now the angel of the Lord came and sat under the terebinth at Ophrah, which belonged to Joash the Abiezrite, while his son Gideon was beating out wheat in the winepress to hide it from the Midianites.12 And the angel of the Lord appeared to him and said to him, “The Lord is with you, O mighty man of valor.”13 And Gideon said to him, “Please, my lord, if the Lord is with us, why then has all this happened to us? And where are all his wonderful deeds that our fathers recounted to us, saying, ‘Did not the Lord bring us up from Egypt?’ But now the Lord has forsaken us and given us into the hand of Midian.”

Again the Lord came to Gideon because He chose Gideon and Gideon was reacting to what the Lord is telling him. Also notice
that "the angel of the Lord" is the Lord or the preincarnate Christ, verse 16 no change and it is the Lord speaking to him.

You seem to like using the name Calvinist, but you have given no proof of any Calvinist saying what you claim, can you quote which Calvinist said these things or is that just what you think Calvinist say?

Also explain how God judging man that can only sin, to do perfect goodness, because that is His standard, they are called the 10 Commandments. Is it wrong for the law to be that you must drive at 65 mph on the freeway, when no one will/can keep it at 65 mph all the time wrong? No it's not, it's a law, just like God requiring perfect goodness, is His Law. Notice the the Lord chose Abraham and Gideon, but please quote the Calvinists that said these things.
 

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God told Jonah to preach the message to Nineveh, "Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown." In forty days did God destroy Nineveh? Why not? Nineveh repented so in turn, God repented. God responded based on Nineveh's response to His word, and God changed His mind and did not destroy Nineveh in forty days.
The Lord did exactly as He said He would Jeremiah 18:7-9 "If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will pluck up and break down and destroy it,8 and if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turns from its evil, I will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it.9 And if at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will build and plant it,10 and if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will relent of the good that I had intended to do to it."

Which totally follows what happened with Nineveh, which was later destroyed because they began to sin again. Which is what the book of Nahum is about Nineveh and the Assyrians. The Lord relented form destroying Nineveh because they repented and again He would also relent if they begin to sin again as He did with Nineveh, so He followed exactly what He said He would do, in Jeremiah 18:7-10.
 

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The Lord did exactly as He said He would Jeremiah 18:7-9 "If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will pluck up and break down and destroy it,8 and if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turns from its evil, I will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it.9 And if at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will build and plant it,10 and if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will relent of the good that I had intended to do to it."

Which totally follows what happened with Nineveh, which was later destroyed because they began to sin again. Which is what the book of Nahum is about Nineveh and the Assyrians. The Lord relented form destroying Nineveh because they repented and again He would also relent if they begin to sin again as He did with Nineveh, so He followed exactly what He said He would do, in Jeremiah 18:7-10.
Yes, God changed His mind. How can God change His mind if He already has everything worked out and man has no choice in the matter?

Question: Did God know Nineveh would repent and in turn, He would repent and not destroy them in forty days? Allow the Bible, not man, to define God's omniscience.
 

Johnny_B

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Yes, God changed His mind. How can God change His mind if He already has everything worked out and man has no choice in the matter?

Question: Did God know Nineveh would repent and in turn, He would repent and not destroy them in forty days? Allow the Bible, not man, to define God's omniscience.
Listen to what you are saying, you are saying man has no choice in the matter, when we just seen that Nineveh had a choice to repent or not, they did and the Lord did as He said He would they repented and He relented. If they would not have repented He would of destroyed them, which He did do later when they began to sin against Him. That is not changing His mind, it is following His mind or staying true to His word.

Does God have it worked out or does God know all things, can you post the Scriptures that says God has it "all worked out and man has no choice in the matter"?

I'm surprised you have not brought up
Jeremiah 19:4-6 “Because they have forsaken Me and made this an alien place, because they have burned incense in it to other gods whom neither they, their fathers, nor the kings of Judah have known, and have filled this place with the blood of the innocents 5 (they have also built the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings to Baal, which I did not command or speak, nor did it come into My mind), 6 therefore behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord, “that this place shall no more be called Tophet or the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, but the Valley of Slaughter.”

As if God never thought of it happening to mean He does not know everything, when it is simply a figure of speak. Does that mean that He never thought of it? No, it just means that by telling them to do certain things, He thought that it naturally means not to do the other, that is all it is saying. By no means is it saying that God never thought the children of Israel were depraved enough to sacrifice their own children to pagan gods. Of course He knew that they would sacrifice their children to Baal and Molech because He know all things.

But please post the Scriptures that say that God has it all worked out and man has no choice.
 
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Yes, God changed His mind. How can God change His mind if He already has everything worked out and man has no choice in the matter?

Question: Did God know Nineveh would repent and in turn, He would repent and not destroy them in forty days? Allow the Bible, not man, to define God's omniscience.
Two of God's attributes swept out the door by your poor eisegesis. He is not immutable and omniscient. :(
 

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Listen to what you are saying, you are saying man has no choice in the matter, when we just seen that Nineveh had a choice to repent or not, they did and the Lord did as He said He would they repented and He relented. If they would not have repented He would of destroyed them, which He did do later when they began to sin against Him. That is not changing His mind, it is following His mind or staying true to His word.

Does God have it worked out or does God know all things, can you post the Scriptures that says God has it "all worked out and man has no choice in the matter"?

I'm surprised you have not brought up
Jeremiah 19:4-6 “Because they have forsaken Me and made this an alien place, because they have burned incense in it to other gods whom neither they, their fathers, nor the kings of Judah have known, and have filled this place with the blood of the innocents 5 (they have also built the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings to Baal, which I did not command or speak, nor did it come into My mind), 6 therefore behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord, “that this place shall no more be called Tophet or the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, but the Valley of Slaughter.”

As if God never thought of it happening to mean He does not know everything, when it is simply a figure of speak. Does that mean that He never thought of it? No, it just means that by telling them to do certain things, He thought that it naturally means not to do the other, that is all it is saying. By no means is it saying that God never thought the children of Israel were depraved enough to sacrifice their own children to pagan gods. Of course He knew that they would sacrifice their children to Baal and Molech because He know all things.

But please post the Scriptures that say that God has it all worked out and man has no choice.
My whole post is to prove that man has the choice. Man responds to the word of God, and God responds to man's decision either to accept him or destroy him.
 

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Yes, God changed His mind. How can God change His mind if He already has everything worked out and man has no choice in the matter?

Question: Did God know Nineveh would repent and in turn, He would repent and not destroy them in forty days? Allow the Bible, not man, to define God's omniscience.
Sorry I do not go down rabbit trails, first posted the Scriptures for God having everything worked out and man has no choice or quote they person or people that have said this. Because I've already given you Scriptures and you have offered none, with out Scriptures it's just words and they will get us no where.

So please post the Scriptures or quote the people that are saying this with their Scripture reference.

 

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My whole post is to prove that man has the choice. Man responds to the word of God, and God responds to man's decision either to accept him or destroy him.
Scriptures please.
 
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Can you answer the question then concerning Nineveh?
Yes. God knew they would repent. God knows the end from the beginning.

Keep me as the apple of your eye; hide me in the shadow of your wings.[Psalm 17:8]

Have mercy on me, my God, have mercy on me, for in you I take refuge. I will take refuge in the shadow of your wings until the disaster has passed.[Psalm 57:1]


By using your logic, God has feathers and wings.

Its called anthropomorphic language. God knew they would repent, and sent Jonah to tell them what would have happened to them if they hadn't.

You've made God nothing more than Remphan and/or Moloch. Kudos!
 

John146

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Yes. God knew they would repent. God knows the end from the beginning.

Keep me as the apple of your eye; hide me in the shadow of your wings.[Psalm 17:8]

Have mercy on me, my God, have mercy on me, for in you I take refuge. I will take refuge in the shadow of your wings until the disaster has passed.[Psalm 57:1]


By using your logic, God has feathers and wings.

Its called anthropomorphic language. God knew they would repent, and sent Jonah to tell them what would have happened to them if they hadn't.

You've made God nothing more than Remphan and/or Moloch. Kudos!
You've made God out to be a liar. Change the word of God if you like to fit your theology. I'm going to let it stand. When the word says something that goes against your beliefs, you claim this "anthropomorphic language" garbage. Jonah chapter 3 is to be taken literal.

Jonah 3
1 And the word of the Lord came unto Jonah the second time, saying,
2 Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.
3 So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the Lord. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey.
4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.
6 For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.
7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:
8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.
9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
 
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You've made God out to be a liar. Change the word of God if you like to fit your theology. I'm going to let it stand. When the word says something that goes against your beliefs, you claim this "anthropomorphic language" garbage. Jonah chapter 3 is to be taken literal.

Jonah 3
1 And the word of the Lord came unto Jonah the second time, saying,
2 Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.
3 So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the Lord. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey.
4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.
6 For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.
7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:
8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.
9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
You're either a Molinist or an Open Theist, just not sure which. Either way, both are heresies.
 
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You've made God out to be a liar. Change the word of God if you like to fit your theology. I'm going to let it stand. When the word says something that goes against your beliefs, you claim this "anthropomorphic language" garbage. Jonah chapter 3 is to be taken literal.

Jonah 3
1 And the word of the Lord came unto Jonah the second time, saying,
2 Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.
3 So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the Lord. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey.
4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.
6 For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.
7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:
8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.
9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
Ok joker, riddle me this ...When God told Abraham 'Now I know you fear Me' after He saw that Abraham was willing to sacrifice Isaac unto Him, did He not know if Abraham would do it or not?

When He told Abraham He was coming down to see what was going on(paraphrasing here) in Sodom and Gomorrah, did He not know their fate and what was going on at the time?
 
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From www.gotquestions.org

Question: "Does God change His mind?"

Answer:
Malachi 3:6 declares, “I the LORD do not change. So you, O descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed.” Similarly, James 1:17 tells us, “Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.” Numbers 23:19 is clear: “God is not a man, that He should lie, nor a son of man, that He should change His mind. Does He speak and then not act? Does He promise and not fulfill?” Based on these verses, no, God does not change. God is unchanging and unchangeable. He is also all-wise. So He cannot “change His mind” in the sense of realizing a mistake, backtracking, and trying a new tack.

How then do we explain verses that seem to say that God does change His mind? Verses such as Genesis 6:6, “The LORD was grieved that He had made man on the earth, and His heart was filled with pain.” Also, Exodus 32:14 proclaims, “Then the LORD relented and did not bring on His people the disaster He had threatened.” These verses speak of the Lord “repenting” or “relenting” of something and seem to contradict the doctrine of God’s immutability.

Another passage that is often used to show that God changes His mind is the story of Jonah. Through His prophet, God had told Nineveh He would destroy the city in forty days (Jonah 3:4). However, Nineveh repented of their sin (verses 5–9). In response to the Assyrians’ repentance, God relented: “He had compassion and did not bring upon them the destruction He had threatened” (verse 10).

There are two important considerations involving the passages that say God changed His mind. First, we can say statements such as “the LORD was grieved that He had made man on the earth” (Genesis 6:6) are examples of anthropopathism (or anthropopatheia). Anthropopathism is a figure of speech in which the feelings or thought processes of finite humanity are ascribed to the infinite God. It’s a way to help us understand God’s work from a human perspective. In Genesis 6:6 specifically, we understand God’s sorrow over man’s sin. God obviously did not reverse His decision to create man. The fact that we are alive today is proof that God did not “change His mind” about the creation.

Second, we must make a distinction between conditional declarations of God and unconditional determinations of God. In other words, when God said, “I will destroy Nineveh in forty days,” He was speaking conditionally upon the Assyrians’ response. We know this because the Assyrians repented and God did not, in fact, mete out the judgment. God did not change His mind; rather, His message to Nineveh was a warning meant to provoke repentance, and His warning was successful.

An example of an unconditional declaration of God is the Lord’s promise to David, “Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever” (2 Samuel 7:16). There is no qualification expressed or implied in this declaration. No matter what David did or did not do, the word of the Lord would come to pass.

God tells us of the cautionary nature of some of His declarations and the fact that He will act in accordance with our choices: “If at any time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be uprooted, torn down and destroyed, and if that nation I warned repents of its evil, then I will relent and not inflict on it the disaster I had planned. And if at another time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be built up and planted, and if it does evil in my sight and does not obey me, then I will reconsider the good I had intended to do for it. Now therefore say to the people of Judah and those living in Jerusalem, ‘This is what the Lord says: Look! I am preparing a disaster for you and devising a plan against you. So turn from your evil ways, each one of you, and reform your ways and your actions’” (Jeremiah 18:7– 11). Note the conditional word if: “If that nation I warned repents [like Assyria in Jonah 3] . . . then I will relent.” Conversely, God may tell a nation they will be blessed, but “if it does evil in my sight [like Israel in Micah 1] . . . then I will reconsider the good I had intended to do.”

The bottom line is that God is entirely consistent. In His holiness, God was going to judge Nineveh. However, Nineveh repented and changed its ways. As a result, God, in His holiness, had mercy on Nineveh and spared them. This “change of mind” is entirely consistent with His character. His holiness did not waver one iota.

The fact that God changes His treatment of us in response to our choices has nothing to do with His character. In fact, because God does not change, He must treat the righteous differently from the unrighteous. If someone repents, God consistently forgives; if someone refuses to repent, God consistently judges. He is unchanging in His nature, His plan, and His being. He cannot one day be pleased with the contrite and the next day be angry with the contrite. That would show Him to be mutable and untrustworthy. For God to tell Nineveh, “I’m going to judge you,” and then (after they repent) refuse to judge them may look like God changed His mind. In reality, God was simply staying true to His character. He loves mercy and forgives the penitent. “Has God forgotten to be merciful?” (Psalm 77:9). The answer is, no.

At one time we were all enemies of God due to our sin (Romans 8:7). God warned us of the wages of sin (Romans 6:23) in order to cause us to repent. When we repented and trusted Christ for salvation, God “changed His mind” about us, and now we are no longer enemies but His beloved children (John 1:12). As it would be contrary to God’s character to not punish us had we continued in sin, so it would be contrary to His character to punish us after we repent. Does our change of heart mean that God changes? No, if anything, our salvation points to the fact that God does not change, because had He not saved us for the sake of Christ, He would have acted contrary to His character.

Recommended Resource: Knowing God by J.I. Packer
 
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My whole post is to prove that man has the choice. Man responds to the word of God, and God responds to man's decision either to accept him or destroy him.
Ah yes. He it is ppl. Man has the choice, the say in the matter. The god you purport is no better than Moloch.
 

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Yes, God changed His mind. How can God change His mind if He already has everything worked out and man has no choice in the matter?

Question: Did God know Nineveh would repent and in turn, He would repent and not destroy them in forty days? Allow the Bible, not man, to define God's omniscience.
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]First off Jonah is about God's mercy. It is about how He shows mercy and about how he brings it to fruition . It's not a example of man gets to chose his destiny. That was done in the garden and is perpetuated by our continual desire to sin . [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]Well from mans perspective God responded to mans actions and changed His mind . [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]Looking at it from God's eternal view ,God chose the means that He would relent (That is human repentance) and how to bring that about ( having Jonah preach ) . Without God using Jonah , God would not have relented . Also God chose the ends (His relenting. ) to show His mercy. Note ,even Jonah knew that God would relent if he (Jonah ) went to Nineveh. Why would not God know it then ? “JONAH 4 But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was angry. 2 And he prayed to the LORD and said, “O LORD, is not this what I said when I was yet in my country? That is why I made haste to flee to Tarshish; for I knew that you are a a gracious God and merciful, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love, and a relenting from disaster.”. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]Now look to the end of Jonah. You see that these events are to teach Jonah and the reader a lesson about God's mercy Jonah 4:9 But God said to Jonah, "Do you do well to be angry for the plant?” And he said, “Yes, I do well to be angry, angry enough to die.” 10 And the LORD said, “You pity the plant, for which you did not labor, nor did you make it grow, which came into being in a night and perished in a night. 11 And should not I pity Nineveh, that great city, in which there are more than 120,000 persons who do not know their right hand from their left, and also much cattle?”[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]The book teaches about God's mercy. Would God bring Jonah so far on the offhand chance he might see mercy? [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]Let's think about it. Nineveh is a smoldering heap God says to Jonah well I wanted to show you something,but it just was not in the cards .[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]Blessings [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]Bill [/FONT][/FONT]
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