Against OSAS: some of the best warnings to the churches!
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Salvation is a singular event effected by God. It is irreversible. You cannot practice righteousness until you are first saved and sealed unto eternal life in Christ.
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration , and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
I have said that salvation is regeneration not rehabilitation. The reason for that statement is that regeneration produces a change in behavior that rehabilitation can only produce for a limited time. At first temptation rehabilitation fails.
Sanctification is a life long process with advances and set backs. This is because the saved soul is still in an unregenerate body of flesh.
You may judge me unrighteous but Jehovah God has imputed to me the perfect righteousness of His Son Jesus Christ.
2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
From Gods perspective I am the perfect righteousness of Christ. In this world I am undergoing a process of sanctification that will culminate in my glorification together with Christ at the end of my earthly life. My desire is to be like my Savior however I must war against my body of flesh on a daily basis. The old nature is still with me but the new nature is at last victorious.
Romans 7:14 ¶ For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration , and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
I have said that salvation is regeneration not rehabilitation. The reason for that statement is that regeneration produces a change in behavior that rehabilitation can only produce for a limited time. At first temptation rehabilitation fails.
Sanctification is a life long process with advances and set backs. This is because the saved soul is still in an unregenerate body of flesh.
You may judge me unrighteous but Jehovah God has imputed to me the perfect righteousness of His Son Jesus Christ.
2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
From Gods perspective I am the perfect righteousness of Christ. In this world I am undergoing a process of sanctification that will culminate in my glorification together with Christ at the end of my earthly life. My desire is to be like my Savior however I must war against my body of flesh on a daily basis. The old nature is still with me but the new nature is at last victorious.
Romans 7:14 ¶ For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Just very sad that instead of reading the whole message you pick out a scripture or two at a time. The entire gospel, Jesus' entire message is one of grace and trusting we are who God says we are and not who we think or feel we are. Only by walking in the light of the truth can we be obedient and follow the 2 commandments Jesus left us. What you are practicing is self righteousness and religion, 2 things Jesus despised. Stop relying on your own understanding and trust God.
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It is about belief.
God does not reveal and confirm the truth of His words and promises about our eternal security to those who refuse to believe what He says.
You need to take that first step and believe, your belief pleases God....from faith to faith.
Your unbelief is what is formed in you and that is why you cannot see eternal security, but if in humility and genuineness of heart like a child, you can step back discard your theology and believe in His very simple clear promises He will bless you and give you the eyes to see.
Otherwise you can sit here and debate scripture for scripture, use logic, cunning words etc., etc., but God blesses those who come to him like a child.
If you are born again, you are eternally secure you want to understand this in your spirit, believe it.
No one can convince you I am sure, but you can change your mind by your own will.
He blesses those that believe.
God does not reveal and confirm the truth of His words and promises about our eternal security to those who refuse to believe what He says.
You need to take that first step and believe, your belief pleases God....from faith to faith.
Your unbelief is what is formed in you and that is why you cannot see eternal security, but if in humility and genuineness of heart like a child, you can step back discard your theology and believe in His very simple clear promises He will bless you and give you the eyes to see.
Otherwise you can sit here and debate scripture for scripture, use logic, cunning words etc., etc., but God blesses those who come to him like a child.
If you are born again, you are eternally secure you want to understand this in your spirit, believe it.
No one can convince you I am sure, but you can change your mind by your own will.
He blesses those that believe.
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Re: Against OSAS: some of the best warnings to the church!
25. At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.
26. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.
27. “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
28. "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.
29. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
Look to Jesus. He is telling us that he is easy & light, that you can rest from your striving, that even brand new babes in Christ can easily understand him. It's not rocket science. Jesus is practical. He is shouldering our burden, like a father leading children along.
The latter is worse than the first just means that if you fall back into your old ways, life can get more difficult than before. No duh! That's a no-brainer. A secular counselor can tell you that.
I used to drink before I got saved. When I came to Christ, I willingly put that down. But when a serious trial came into my life, I grew weak and turned back to drinking... after I was saved. And it was impossible for me to extricate myself! I could not willingly put it down.
So the latter was worse than the first. Jesus not only did not leave or forsake me, he showed me I had no power of myself to stop. What happened after that, I can't explain. One moment I realized I was 100% powerless, the next I just stopped even thinking about drinking. My belief was changed. It was miracle. It was God's grace. In the midst of my weakness, Jesus shined. I didn't need to get victory over sin, I only needed to see the Victor. Jesus himself proved to me that it isn't about me obeying, but believing he can make me obey. Now I believe his grace is sufficient. Nobody can ever tell me otherwise.
So many religious people with their preaching of "take heeds" and "he shall die’s" make it sound like it’s coming from a God of wrath and anger. Just like the lost son in Luke 15 thought of his father. “Maybe he’ll have mercy and take me as a servant if I crawl back to him in repentance.”
Is that the father Jesus portrayed? Nope. The father restored the son’s faith in him with love and mercy. He showed the son that he never stopped believing he’d come to his senses and return. God’s love never fails.
And isn't' it interesting that even though the son was living in the flesh for a time, Jesus still referred to him as a son? The young man never stopped being a son. He was lost, dead (walking in the flesh, living carnally, like me when I was an alcoholic), but he was still the father's son. He never got forsaken. The father never rebuked, threatened or abandoned him to his spiritual unbelief. And when the son crawled back crying that he repented of his sin, Jesus said, "BUT...." ("but" is a conjunction that indicates the next clause will contradict the previous one.). The father didn't validate any sinfulness in his son. He said, "Put a royal robe on him & let's celebrate! My son was walking like a dead man but I am restoring him!" He was dead (believed he was a shameful sinner) and then was alive (a holy son).
When Jesus says, “Woe unto you…”, do you know what woe means? It is an exclamation of grief. Jesus grieves when we don’t believe him. His heart hurts when we don’t trust him. When we keep trying to make ourselves good enough.
And by the way, the candlestick that is removed is a church. Any church that preaches anything contrary to what Jesus said will be ineffective and dead, because they are hindering people from seeing Christ. They keep telling people to look at themselves. To make themselves obedient servants. Most churches today are telling people to do for themselves, to be like holy specimens in a religious museum. They’re filled with pride and self-sufficiency and self-righteousness. They are modern day pharisees. They are putting heavy burdens on weak & hurting people while they pride themselves about their own obedience. They are not humble and they won’t give God glory. That is a dead church, a candlestick removed. No light of God for the world to see.
Anyone who makes God out to be an angry father threatening to take his love and grace away does not really know God. For love is of God and everyone who loves like God is born of him and knows him. Love never fails. Love heals and changes people into the image of Christ. Following strict laws out of fear does not change a man’s heart. And everyone who knows Christ Jesus intimately and who has had their heart changed and their mind renewed will testify that it is Christ alone who makes a man free.
25. At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.
26. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.
27. “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
28. "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.
29. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
Look to Jesus. He is telling us that he is easy & light, that you can rest from your striving, that even brand new babes in Christ can easily understand him. It's not rocket science. Jesus is practical. He is shouldering our burden, like a father leading children along.
The latter is worse than the first just means that if you fall back into your old ways, life can get more difficult than before. No duh! That's a no-brainer. A secular counselor can tell you that.
I used to drink before I got saved. When I came to Christ, I willingly put that down. But when a serious trial came into my life, I grew weak and turned back to drinking... after I was saved. And it was impossible for me to extricate myself! I could not willingly put it down.
So the latter was worse than the first. Jesus not only did not leave or forsake me, he showed me I had no power of myself to stop. What happened after that, I can't explain. One moment I realized I was 100% powerless, the next I just stopped even thinking about drinking. My belief was changed. It was miracle. It was God's grace. In the midst of my weakness, Jesus shined. I didn't need to get victory over sin, I only needed to see the Victor. Jesus himself proved to me that it isn't about me obeying, but believing he can make me obey. Now I believe his grace is sufficient. Nobody can ever tell me otherwise.
So many religious people with their preaching of "take heeds" and "he shall die’s" make it sound like it’s coming from a God of wrath and anger. Just like the lost son in Luke 15 thought of his father. “Maybe he’ll have mercy and take me as a servant if I crawl back to him in repentance.”
Is that the father Jesus portrayed? Nope. The father restored the son’s faith in him with love and mercy. He showed the son that he never stopped believing he’d come to his senses and return. God’s love never fails.
And isn't' it interesting that even though the son was living in the flesh for a time, Jesus still referred to him as a son? The young man never stopped being a son. He was lost, dead (walking in the flesh, living carnally, like me when I was an alcoholic), but he was still the father's son. He never got forsaken. The father never rebuked, threatened or abandoned him to his spiritual unbelief. And when the son crawled back crying that he repented of his sin, Jesus said, "BUT...." ("but" is a conjunction that indicates the next clause will contradict the previous one.). The father didn't validate any sinfulness in his son. He said, "Put a royal robe on him & let's celebrate! My son was walking like a dead man but I am restoring him!" He was dead (believed he was a shameful sinner) and then was alive (a holy son).
When Jesus says, “Woe unto you…”, do you know what woe means? It is an exclamation of grief. Jesus grieves when we don’t believe him. His heart hurts when we don’t trust him. When we keep trying to make ourselves good enough.
And by the way, the candlestick that is removed is a church. Any church that preaches anything contrary to what Jesus said will be ineffective and dead, because they are hindering people from seeing Christ. They keep telling people to look at themselves. To make themselves obedient servants. Most churches today are telling people to do for themselves, to be like holy specimens in a religious museum. They’re filled with pride and self-sufficiency and self-righteousness. They are modern day pharisees. They are putting heavy burdens on weak & hurting people while they pride themselves about their own obedience. They are not humble and they won’t give God glory. That is a dead church, a candlestick removed. No light of God for the world to see.
Anyone who makes God out to be an angry father threatening to take his love and grace away does not really know God. For love is of God and everyone who loves like God is born of him and knows him. Love never fails. Love heals and changes people into the image of Christ. Following strict laws out of fear does not change a man’s heart. And everyone who knows Christ Jesus intimately and who has had their heart changed and their mind renewed will testify that it is Christ alone who makes a man free.
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Unbelief
When a child wraps up warm and snug with mum and dad there is not special belief in being
safe forever, they just know they are safe now.
I know I am safe in Christ, that I walk in love. Why would God disown me?
There appears to be an underlying belief knowing Christ and the cross is not enough, you need
eternal security. It is odd that those who claim to say knowing Jesus is enough for everything
add this concept on top. Is it because they are continually in self condemnation and without
such a doctrine they could not sleep at night rather than dealing with how do you know you
know Christ and walk in His ways?
John answered this simply.
We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love each other. Anyone who does not love remains in death.
1 John 3:14
I suspect many know they do not really love each other, and are not sure they have passed from anything to something else.
Peter put it like this
Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for each other, love one another deeply, from the heart.
1 Peter 1:22
What happens if you sharing with your fellow believers is just nodding to them as
you leave church? I would suggest you have some way to go to understand what
Jesus and the apostles really meant by walking with Christ.
When a child wraps up warm and snug with mum and dad there is not special belief in being
safe forever, they just know they are safe now.
I know I am safe in Christ, that I walk in love. Why would God disown me?
There appears to be an underlying belief knowing Christ and the cross is not enough, you need
eternal security. It is odd that those who claim to say knowing Jesus is enough for everything
add this concept on top. Is it because they are continually in self condemnation and without
such a doctrine they could not sleep at night rather than dealing with how do you know you
know Christ and walk in His ways?
John answered this simply.
We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love each other. Anyone who does not love remains in death.
1 John 3:14
I suspect many know they do not really love each other, and are not sure they have passed from anything to something else.
Peter put it like this
Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for each other, love one another deeply, from the heart.
1 Peter 1:22
What happens if you sharing with your fellow believers is just nodding to them as
you leave church? I would suggest you have some way to go to understand what
Jesus and the apostles really meant by walking with Christ.
Re: Against OSAS: some of the best warnings to the church!
Wow! You are cookin with gas today sister!
Aside from the Gospel itself, this is unquestionably my favorite Chapter in all Scripture.
The revelation from God that the prodigal son THOUGHT that he was no longer his Father's son is a powerful antidote for those struggling with Heb. 6.
Wow! You are cookin with gas today sister!
Aside from the Gospel itself, this is unquestionably my favorite Chapter in all Scripture.
The revelation from God that the prodigal son THOUGHT that he was no longer his Father's son is a powerful antidote for those struggling with Heb. 6.
You false grace teachers take scriptures out of context, and when us Biblical grace Teachers put them in their context, you criticise us.
We are who God says we are, only if we walk in it.
As I said, you false grace teachers leave out the scriptures that you you wrong.
There is a difference between self righteousness and keeping God's commandments.
You twist what we true grace teachers say, just like you twist the Bible.