Alcohol

[posthuman]

The bible never encourages it, but rather always discourages, even to the point of saying that drunks won't inherit the kingdom of God. We are commanded in proverbs to get wisdom. Proverbs teaches in no uncertain terms, to completely abstain. The only real reference to leadership is in Timothy or Titus, and says not to be given to much wine. So it is a disqualifier. L if you're happy with a nominal christian life, then I guess take your liberty. However you will be directly effecting your usefulness. No thanks

"it" being drunkenness, i.e. regularly drinking to excess.

not "it" being alcohol, or "it" being drinking it moderately, even regularly. wine of some strength or another was the staple beverage in the middle east. there are passages that associate it with joyfulness and thanksgiving, and being used medicinally. the production of it for a party was the first miracle Jesus performed.

i agree with the collective stance i've been reading through here in some posts, that alcohol in itself is not intrinsically wrong, and the taking of it is not sin. what is sin is drunkenness, and drunkenness and alcohol are very different subjects; drinking and drunkenness are very different things, even regularly drinking as part of one's normal diet and drunkenness are very different things. a descriptor of something that happens on one night. it describes behavior that is repeated night after night.

alcohol may be a stumbling block for some, but is not an "unclean thing"

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here is something maybe i shouldn't even say out loud, but i'm going to anyway --
i always wonder about people who say that they *were* alcoholics, but thanks to God they are new creations and no longer are slaves to it, and then go on to say they dare not touch a drop of it. as though they would be enslaved again if they did? doesn't that make them not quite new creations after all, just people who have successfully modified their behavior?

the reason i figure i probably shouldn't have said that at all, is that it might be misconstrued to imagine that i am encouraging former alcoholics to drink. i'm not at all. i just think that's a rather ironic way of them to self-describe; fact is, personally, i used to have an addictive personality and be enslaved to the passions and lusts of my own body, but through His grace i am new and can thank God for a beer today and never see another one for 5 years, and still thank Him while i'm dry, rather than desire glass after glass after glass.

maybe He just blessed me with a strong faith in that regard. *shrug*
please don't let my loose comments cause you to stumble, OK?

 

[posthuman]

the scriptures say all things created by God are good, and not to be rejected if they are received with thanksgiving.

so the final analysis for me is this:

can i receive this with thanksgiving?
can i drink this and be truly thankful to God for it?
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for some people, obviously the answer to that question is no.

 

[kaylagrl]

the scriptures say all things created by God are good, and not to be rejected if they are received with thanksgiving.

so the final analysis for me is this:

can i receive this with thanksgiving?
can i drink this and be truly thankful to God for it?
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for some people, obviously the answer to that question is no.

​ So is smoking weed right or wrong for a Christian?

 

[posthuman]

he got it mixed up...and apologized

it's all good!

I actually wrote the opposite of what he understood...and he understands now

tee-hee i saw that soon after, and it makes me smile

it's always weird trying to catch up on thread with so many pages. i start replying and then find out a little while later someone already said what i did, and that things i thought i should correct already got cleared up, lol.

 

[PollyAnna]

the scriptures say all things created by God are good, and not to be rejected if they are received with thanksgiving.

so the final analysis for me is this:

can i receive this with thanksgiving?
can i drink this and be truly thankful to God for it?
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for some people, obviously the answer to that question is no.

By your reasoning I can go out and pluck me some wild mushrooms from the hills and thank God for a mind bending trip! By your flawed reasoning,I can also make me some cocaine with some coca plant and praise God for the awesome euphoria ?. Ummm, I dont think so hoss.

 

[posthuman]

​ So is smoking weed right or wrong for a Christian?

He created it, and it's not against the law everywhere. can you be thankful for it?

alcohol certainly isn't singular in there being a difference in use and abuse, and its propensity to be a stumbling block for the weak.

 

[posthuman]

By your reasoning I can go out and pluck me some wild mushrooms from the hills and thank God for a mind bending trip!

could you truly be thankful for it?

it's Paul's reasoning, btw -- not mine. you're not arguing with me.

1 Timothy 4:4, writing by the Holy Spirit.


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P.S. the vast majority of mushrooms are poisonous, and many are deadly --- and there are thousands of varieties in those hills.
DO NOT eat foraged mushrooms unless an actual expert has verified what they are.

 

[resurrection33]

Why? Just leave it alone. It never helps anyone, it does do a lot of harm.

Proverbs 31:1-9 says, that it's not for kings and princes to drink wine or intoxicating drink, ( leaders, in home counts for family) it distracts and drags down.

Leave it out of your life. Don't even give the opportunity or the appearance of evil.

I don't drink but I don't think prohibition is the answer. The writers of the Bible don't outlaw moderate drinking, that I am aware of.

 

[LaurenTM]

Gluttony is a sin,yet many times I see that is what a person eats,not the amount that causes them to gain weight.But if you are eating like a cultured hog then yes that is wrong and you need to turn to the Lord for help. Alcohol has destroyed more homes,more lives over the years and there is no need for it. No reason to drink at all. There was a time the church believed it was wrong to drink, that we looked too much like the world when we drink. I guess Im more old fashioned than I think.
What if you sit down with someone that has had a problem with alcoholism and you dont know it and by your drinking you cause them to stumble? Just a thought. Again there is no good argument for alcohol and that remains my opinion. The Bible is very clear on the dangers of alcohol.

Kayla...I very clearly said I would NEVER drink an alcoholic anything in front of someone who disapproves..that means believer or not believer as either way, it would not be good for them or say much about me

further, you seem to misread me...I don't drink with all meals...in fact, it would be the EXCEPTION

again, Europeans do NOT have this narrow viewpoint...as aperson with a German/Austrian heritage with some Irish thrown in (which came as a surprise) it is acceptable and not a problem to have some wine or beer...and give it to your children also

the Bible is not the very clear on the dangers of alcohol as you say

not at all

YOU are being clear on what you perceive as your own experiential observances...but YOUR experience does not create mine nor does it dictate my perceptions

as you say...your opinion remains and I have no problem with that

what I am discussing here, is the perceived right some have to tell others which way is up

see, you also mentioned your church...wasn't that Pentecostal?

in MY church where I grew up, Brethern, REAL wine ...as in fermented...was used for what they called 'the breaking of bread service...held every Sunday before the main service ... were they all die hard alcoholics? and no one became one either

Alcohol has destroyed more homes,more lives over the years and there is no need for it.

well, I don't think it's alcohol and that sounds like something repeated many times without the facts

people destroy homes and families and it is FAR from always alcohol




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it's just your basic sinful human being causes the destruction you are concerned about

it's not the demon rum...it's just the demons

OK?

you can continue with your own thoughts about it ... no problem

 

[resurrection33]

I don't have a line, because that would be confidence in the flesh. Just ask God. He's faithful to answer. "Cast your burden on the LORD, and he will sustain you; he will never permit the righteous to be moved." That's his promise. ♥

I'm not asking for my own benefit. I don't drink and don't want to. Alcoholism is a real problem, though, even if you don't have to deal with it yourself. Therefore, I think it's appropriate to bring the matter up.

 

[LaurenTM]

​ So is smoking weed right or wrong for a Christian?

LOL...

you know, if it is medicinal and relieves their pain?

I personally have no problem with whatsoever

I do have a problem with believers who are shocked or would rather tell them to go pray about it

it's like David and his men eating CONSECRATED bread

people refuse to see that God is not about the law and the rules and the appearances

it's like post said...if you can't receive it with a thankful heart, then you are sinning anyway

and I'm going to go one step farther and say many Christians sin in that exact manner while looking over their shoulder to see who is watching

 

[Magenta]

Alcohol is also poisonous, and there are those who die by blood alcohol poisoning.
Alcohol is considered to be different by sheer virtue of the fact that it is legal.
Now we live in a world where marijuana is still controlled but not considered
harmful enough in personal use that is treated as a criminal offense.

 

[lv2ski]

Psalm 104.15 And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.

I will drink no wine before its time.

Okay, it's time!

Wow one verse, versus at least 75.

 

[Grace777x70]

Don't sweat it, Iv2ski..... she just needed her daily dose of attention. Maybe she's an attentionholic.

Proverbs 6:19 and Proverbs 10:12

 

[BenFTW]

Psalm 104.15 And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.

I will drink no wine before its time.

Okay, it's time!

The oil being good for skin and the bread for the heart (health), I find really fascinating.

 

[Fenner]

I will have a glass of wine or beer maybe once a month, I do not consider myself an alcoholic, I don't crave it and I don't think about it much. Just once and a great while I will have one and that's it.

 

[lv2ski]

"it" being drunkenness, i.e. regularly drinking to excess.

not "it" being alcohol, or "it" being drinking it moderately, even regularly. wine of some strength or another was the staple beverage in the middle east. there are passages that associate it with joyfulness and thanksgiving, and being used medicinally. the production of it for a party was the first miracle Jesus performed.

i agree with the collective stance i've been reading through here in some posts, that alcohol in itself is not intrinsically wrong, and the taking of it is not sin. what is sin is drunkenness, and drunkenness and alcohol are very different subjects; drinking and drunkenness are very different things, even regularly drinking as part of one's normal diet and drunkenness are very different things. a descriptor of something that happens on one night. it describes behavior that is repeated night after night.

alcohol may be a stumbling block for some, but is not an "unclean thing"

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here is something maybe i shouldn't even say out loud, but i'm going to anyway --
i always wonder about people who say that they *were* alcoholics, but thanks to God they are new creations and no longer are slaves to it, and then go on to say they dare not touch a drop of it. as though they would be enslaved again if they did? doesn't that make them not quite new creations after all, just people who have successfully modified their behavior?

the reason i figure i probably shouldn't have said that at all, is that it might be misconstrued to imagine that i am encouraging former alcoholics to drink. i'm not at all. i just think that's a rather ironic way of them to self-describe; fact is, personally, i used to have an addictive personality and be enslaved to the passions and lusts of my own body, but through His grace i am new and can thank God for a beer today and never see another one for 5 years, and still thank Him while i'm dry, rather than desire glass after glass after glass.

maybe He just blessed me with a strong faith in that regard. *shrug*
please don't let my loose comments cause you to stumble, OK?

It, being wine, strong drink. Drunkennessis clearly defined as a sin, but wine and strong drink are specifically spoken against throughout scripture.

There is only one way to get to drunkenness.

 

[lv2ski]

​ So is smoking weed right or wrong for a Christian?

Girl.....nailed that one.

 

[lv2ski]

I don't drink but I don't think prohibition is the answer. The writers of the Bible don't outlaw moderate drinking, that I am aware of.

The w wisdom of it, is really the point.

 

[kaylagrl]

He created it, and it's not against the law everywhere. can you be thankful for it?

alcohol certainly isn't singular in there being a difference in use and abuse, and its propensity to be a stumbling block for the weak.

For any legitimate reason, like cancer and serious disease,is it wrong for a Christian to smoke weed? Did you sidestep that or did I miss your answer? I dont mean that sarcastically either.