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Ramon,

Well Said!!!
 
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Heaven is in my heart, EG sorry I cannot go BACK to where I used to be, Strange, And strange this doctrine I believe and preach is to MANY people the false doctrine, only a FEW believe like Ramon and I, but that is part of our doctrine! The World will not recieve this doctrine, becasue they are of the World! We are not of the World, only in it preaching things not FOR the World but for those that also wants to be SAVED from this twisted world in iniquity!

The things we preach were not believed when Christ Himself preached it, and He said,,, They believed me not, they will not believe you either!

Strange REMEMBER this... I used to believe what you believe now! But then 1 John 3 and Matthew 7 clearly showed me God did more than had JEsus die on the cross... There are MANY people preaching of a life BERFORE the cross, but there is life AFTER the cross, this is the LIFE God wants us to live! Grace takes you RIGHT THROUGH THE CROSS! to Holiness!
All I know is Christ crucified.

If GRACE takes us to holiness.....why are you telling us to DO STUFF?

What do you want us TO DO that can ADD to Gods Grace?
 
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Just to let you know...I wasn't rebuking anybody. I just wanted people to know what the Bible says. Not what I say, not what he or she says, not what anyone says. Nothing but what God's Word says.
That will do.

Cuts sharper than any sword.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Heaven is in my heart, EG sorry I cannot go BACK to where I used to be, Strange, And strange this doctrine I believe and preach is to MANY people the false doctrine, only a FEW believe like Ramon and I, but that is part of our doctrine! The World will not recieve this doctrine, becasue they are of the World! We are not of the World, only in it preaching things not FOR the World but for those that also wants to be SAVED from this twisted world in iniquity!

The things we preach were not believed when Christ Himself preached it, and He said,,, They believed me not, they will not believe you either!

Strange REMEMBER this... I used to believe what you believe now! But then 1 John 3 and Matthew 7 clearly showed me God did more than had JEsus die on the cross... There are MANY people preaching of a life BERFORE the cross, but there is life AFTER the cross, this is the LIFE God wants us to live! Grace takes you RIGHT THROUGH THE CROSS! to Holiness!
Many teach as you do Cobus. There are not a few. There will be many in that day say Lord Lord but did I not do all these wonderful things in your name. Jesus will simply say, Depart from me for I never knew you.

There is life after the cross. It is called sanctification. We are, and will continually be sanctified by growing in Christ, and one day be glorified. We will not be glorified on this earth, because we still have sin. If I could ever be perfect I would not need god. Nor would I ever need grace.

God says that even the littlest of all sin is like vomit to him. To say you are sinless is to mock the word of God, and mock the very Christ who died for you.
 
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Zone I can only have true joy if I hurt nobody! And I know that is only possible, if God gives me HIS love! My love is no good, and that is what I realised. NOTHING I do can make me a good person, but God does have something that can change this bad guy to a person that can ...1. Love himslef. 2. Love you as God loves you. 3. Love God with all his heart, and all his soul and all his mind.

Then Zoney, THEN when I know I love you as God does, and myself as God does, and Him with ALL of me, THEN Zoney, I will rejoice!

I still show very bad things, I still ask WHO will sav me from this wretched mind and body and soul, And I know I CANNOT! but Zoney, For God it is VERY POSSIBLE... Mat 19:26.

Zoney if the righteous barely makes it, I have NO CHANCE, so I am sorry I have no peace yet! And the little I got get very desturbed by the thought that i will NEVER have peace that even goes beyond human understanding. I know that peace, is a HOLY REST IN CHRIST! AWAY from this cruel world of which I used to be a BIG number off!

Thank God already I have new hopes, and they are ALL IN HIS WORK AND MY SALVATION!

Zone one ting you know about me, is that I need Jesus more than most, but I thank Him HE said no matter how RED OF SIN I WAS, HE WILL WASH ME WHITE!

Zoney when I am white, If Jesus allows me, I will PM YOU DIRECTLY, and you will share with me the JOY Jesus will put in my heart, becsue I know you want too!

Thank you for your time and prayers, And I really mean this.... May God Himself give me rest and peace and joy! Amen!
 
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Ramon has the right idea but the appropriation of what is intended does not come from us but from God's plan. We don't do anything or try to put ourselves in situations to 'kill' or bring death to our flesh in our experience. We let God's plan deliver us to those places of death that God wants to work into our lives. Peter had a problem in this area and was not converted until later in his walk with the Lord (Lk 22:32,33). During this process many believers backslide mentally, emotionally or even through personal sin because they want to preserve those areas that God wants to crucify in their experience through taking up a cross. We will never be ready to lay our lives down for others, God's way, until we take up a cross and allow the plan of God to work death in us. Jesus laid His life down through His cross and we lay our lives down for one another through our cross that we have to take up.
 
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EG ...ONE day be glorified? Jesus said He is gloified in the ones that belongs to Him. Either Jesus is glorified in you or He is not. If Jesus is glorified IN YOU then you are ALREADY glorified! Even you flesh is glorified by HIS PRESENCE IN YOU! Come on man! What is so difficult to understand this.... If Jesus is glorified in you YOU ARE GLORIFIED BY HIM!!! That means you now live IN CHRIST AND HE IS YOU... AND THERE IS NO SIN ASSOSIATED HERE!!! Nothing! Zip!

Jesus cannot sin, and ANY PERSON that is IN CHRIST also CANNOT sin! Becasue in Him IS no Sin!

I will get into Christ soon, He said so. I know becasue I believe Him not you! I used to think I am not worthy to enter into Him, but He said... Cobus if you ENDURE to the end of ALL sin I reproof you of, I will wash you ONCE in my blood, and you will be as pure as Me, and I will present you to the Father, spotless and without crinkle ONCE! And right there you will be edified, glorified and sactified WHOLY... Soul, spirit and BODY ...ONCE and I will fill you with my Spirit that htere is NO PLACE FOR ANY OTHER DEMON/spirit/OR SIN! NONE!

That is what I do becasue that is what I do! I DO IT becasue I want to do IT! And I thank God that HE WANTS TO DO IT TO EVEN OLD COBUS!

May you also be made a NEW EG, in the likeness of Jesus! Amen!
 
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more fanatical ravings.

this kind of spiralling is to be expected when people REFUSE to understand REGENERATION.

please read Ephesians 2 and Romans 3 at the very least.

IF YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WERE ALREADY DEAD before being raised to life it is YOU who is not saved.

get a grip.

Can't you ever be quite? Your not raised to life in Jesus. You attack children of God all the time and then have the nerve to declare how holy you are. Your not washed clean of anything.
 
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All Christians must die!! All Christians must die to the ways of this world. Any Christian whose life is of the world is NOT a Christian, but will perish with the world.
Any Christian who wants to hold on to the old pleasures will not inherit the kingdom of God. Any Christian who continues in Sin will end up in hell. If your flesh does not die, you will not live! And if you die in your sin, you will not live!!

If you do not die, you have no fellowship with Jesus, and you are not a part of him, and you never were. Every Christian must die. His flesh must die, and his blood must be spent. Then his flesh will be restored, and the blood will restore his flesh to life!!

If anyone wants to live, he must kill his flesh and be drained of his own blood. And then he must eat the flesh of Jesus Christ, and drink his blood. If a Christian does not do this, he will perish.

If a Christian is not crucified, even as violently as Jesus was, then he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus Christ MUST be the Christian's ONLY life! Nothing but him, living in you. No other life, but his. My life must die, so that I can be resurrected to a new life in Christ. Until then, I am dying. May the Lord let me be crucified with him, so that I can also live with him.

May Jesus bless you.

Thank you!
 

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I love your thread title Ramon :)
 
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Coming on strong like a rageing river!
Can't you feel the steel of the one world shiver!
No need to be afraid.
No need to feel betrayed.
This is a raging storm.
That can be transformed.
Jesus Christ is calling.
All those who feel appalling.
This ain't no con.
But that of man.
So put your trust in Jesus's hand.
 

zone

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Coming on strong like a rageing river!
Can't you feel the steel of the one world shiver!
No need to be afraid.
No need to feel betrayed.
This is a raging storm.
That can be transformed.
Jesus Christ is calling.
All those who feel appalling.
This ain't no con.
But that of man.
So put your trust in Jesus's hand.
lol
i like it fence.
 

zone

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Can't you ever be quite? Your not raised to life in Jesus. You attack children of God all the time and then have the nerve to declare how holy you are. Your not washed clean of anything.
how holy i am?
pffft.

your opinion of me means zero Linda.

dont you have catholic and muslim bashing to do?
 
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how holy i am?
pffft.

your opinion of me means zero Linda.

dont you have catholic and muslim bashing to do?

Keep bashing the Christians zone. It doesn't work trying to turn your actions around. Repent!
 

zone

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Zone I can only have true joy if I hurt nobody! And I know that is only possible, if God gives me HIS love! My love is no good, and that is what I realised. NOTHING I do can make me a good person, but God does have something that can change this bad guy to a person that can ...1. Love himslef. 2. Love you as God loves you. 3. Love God with all his heart, and all his soul and all his mind.

Then Zoney, THEN when I know I love you as God does, and myself as God does, and Him with ALL of me, THEN Zoney, I will rejoice!

I still show very bad things, I still ask WHO will sav me from this wretched mind and body and soul, And I know I CANNOT! but Zoney, For God it is VERY POSSIBLE... Mat 19:26.

Zoney if the righteous barely makes it, I have NO CHANCE, so I am sorry I have no peace yet! And the little I got get very desturbed by the thought that i will NEVER have peace that even goes beyond human understanding. I know that peace, is a HOLY REST IN CHRIST! AWAY from this cruel world of which I used to be a BIG number off!

Thank God already I have new hopes, and they are ALL IN HIS WORK AND MY SALVATION!

Zone one ting you know about me, is that I need Jesus more than most, but I thank Him HE said no matter how RED OF SIN I WAS, HE WILL WASH ME WHITE!

Zoney when I am white, If Jesus allows me, I will PM YOU DIRECTLY, and you will share with me the JOY Jesus will put in my heart, becsue I know you want too!

Thank you for your time and prayers, And I really mean this.... May God Himself give me rest and peace and joy! Amen!
Cobus.
i do not understand why you DO NOT TRUST JESUS.
why do you not BELIEVE?

Christ was delivered up for our sins and made reconciliation to God 2000 years ago.

He lived a PERFECTLY RIGHTEOUS LIFE UNDER THE LAW because you can not.
not now, not after you are justifed by Grace through faith.

God, through the Finished Work of Jesus is able to JUSTIFY (full aquittal, not guilty, forgiven, white as snow) the UNGODLY.

you WILL NEVER BE GOOD ENOUGH ON YOUR OWN. EVER.

you are washed clean and justified when you RECEIVE WHAT HE ALREADY DID BY FAITH.

that's it.

that's ALL GOD WILL ACCEPT.

He is pleased with Jesus.

Jesus took your place in life and death and God will only see JESUS when He sees you, as Jesus CONTINUALLY makes intercession for you.

you receive justification (complete aquittal of all charges, no double jeopardy, will not be tried again) when you BELIEVE WHAT GOD HAS SAID ABOUT YOU:

a sinner in need of a Saviour

AND ABOUT JESUS:

the ONLY acceptable substitute.

if you believe in your heart that God delivered up Jesus to be a propitiation (endure God's wrath in your place), and raised Him from the dead to give you life,

YOU WILL RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT and be saved.

no one can take you away from Him then.

BUT IT IS BY FAITH ALONE.

COBUS MUST STAY OUT OF IT.

just believe!

He will take care of everything. He will transform you, change your life, and keep you clean Cobus.
 

zone

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Keep bashing the Christians zone. It doesn't work trying to turn your actions around. Repent!
Linda.
stop embarrassing yourself.

i'd rather not get into it with you today, but if you insist, we can do that.
 
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Linda.
stop embarrassing yourself.

i'd rather not get into it with you today, but if you insist, we can do that.
Take your own advice and go on to someone else, let her be.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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EG ...ONE day be glorified? Jesus said He is gloified in the ones that belongs to Him. Either Jesus is glorified in you or He is not. If Jesus is glorified IN YOU then you are ALREADY glorified! Even you flesh is glorified by HIS PRESENCE IN YOU! Come on man! What is so difficult to understand this.... If Jesus is glorified in you YOU ARE GLORIFIED BY HIM!!! That means you now live IN CHRIST AND HE IS YOU... AND THERE IS NO SIN ASSOSIATED HERE!!! Nothing! Zip!

Jesus cannot sin, and ANY PERSON that is IN CHRIST also CANNOT sin! Becasue in Him IS no Sin!

I will get into Christ soon, He said so. I know becasue I believe Him not you! I used to think I am not worthy to enter into Him, but He said... Cobus if you ENDURE to the end of ALL sin I reproof you of, I will wash you ONCE in my blood, and you will be as pure as Me, and I will present you to the Father, spotless and without crinkle ONCE! And right there you will be edified, glorified and sactified WHOLY... Soul, spirit and BODY ...ONCE and I will fill you with my Spirit that htere is NO PLACE FOR ANY OTHER DEMON/spirit/OR SIN! NONE!

That is what I do becasue that is what I do! I DO IT becasue I want to do IT! And I thank God that HE WANTS TO DO IT TO EVEN OLD COBUS!

May you also be made a NEW EG, in the likeness of Jesus! Amen!
1. I have been made new. I am in Christ. Thus I am justified freely by his grace.
2. I am growing every day. I will not, however, be sinless. This is a false hope only given by proud men who think they have somehow "made it" and in turn, the focus comes off Christ, but on ourselves. As why do we need CHrist anymore when we are perfect/

Sorry dude. I can't buy your arguments.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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EG ...ONE day be glorified? Jesus said He is gloified in the ones that belongs to Him. Either Jesus is glorified in you or He is not. If Jesus is glorified IN YOU then you are ALREADY glorified! Even you flesh is glorified by HIS PRESENCE IN YOU! Come on man! What is so difficult to understand this.... If Jesus is glorified in you YOU ARE GLORIFIED BY HIM!!! That means you now live IN CHRIST AND HE IS YOU... AND THERE IS NO SIN ASSOSIATED HERE!!! Nothing! Zip!

Jesus cannot sin, and ANY PERSON that is IN CHRIST also CANNOT sin! Becasue in Him IS no Sin!

I will get into Christ soon, He said so. I know becasue I believe Him not you! I used to think I am not worthy to enter into Him, but He said... Cobus if you ENDURE to the end of ALL sin I reproof you of, I will wash you ONCE in my blood, and you will be as pure as Me, and I will present you to the Father, spotless and without crinkle ONCE! And right there you will be edified, glorified and sactified WHOLY... Soul, spirit and BODY ...ONCE and I will fill you with my Spirit that htere is NO PLACE FOR ANY OTHER DEMON/spirit/OR SIN! NONE!

That is what I do becasue that is what I do! I DO IT becasue I want to do IT! And I thank God that HE WANTS TO DO IT TO EVEN OLD COBUS!

May you also be made a NEW EG, in the likeness of Jesus! Amen!
1. I have been made new. I am in Christ. Thus I am justified freely by his grace.
2. I am growing every day. I will not, however, be sinless. This is a false hope only given by proud men who think they have somehow "made it" and in turn, the focus comes off Christ, but on ourselves. As why do we need CHrist anymore when we are perfect/

Sorry dude. I can't buy your arguments.