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Jesus drove false religionists from the temple, called them white washed coffins filled with dead men's bones as well as hypocrites and followers of their father the devil.......as well as the fact that the disciples they made were two fold the children of hell....Jesus has no patience for false religion and or false teachers....
No this is not a personal attack on YOU, but rather on a religion that is obviously contrary to the truth so don't be so easily offended man!
No this is not a personal attack on YOU, but rather on a religion that is obviously contrary to the truth so don't be so easily offended man!
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Been spoken of many times, How many baptismal chats do we have here?
Same as above.
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Same, You act as if these issues have never been confronted before. That all we do is walk around bashing your church. Maybe if you would read. you would see these issues are spoken of alot. Alot of heated arguments arise over them.
Yes, these are horrible things. But does this excuse your church killing millions for centuries? SInce when does two wrongs make a right, or is it ok for your church to do what Islam is doing today in the name of God?
ps..
King david committed rape and murder
Abraham committed adultery
No one has ever claimed a man of God would be perfect. Again, It is not all about your church, It is about God and his gospel. Which makes imperfect people right with God and saves them in-spite of themselves.
Jesus did not have any compassion with the church of Israel who claimed to be the church of God. He called them out every time he could. And it was not very prety. WHy do you think he protested against their doctrines, and man made books?
Jesus was the first protestant, who reformed the Jewish church.
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Yes other denominations have errors.
Here's the distinction.
The Roman Catholic leader claims a lofty title, with the claim that he can speak direct revelation of God.
The Roman Catholic church attributes deity attributes to Mary.
Their own head theologian the Pope even encouraged this as I've shown in my list already.
These things are significantly worse than the little laundry list you gave.
Your very church, along with its Pope who claims to be THE VICAR OF CHRIST, has indeed given attributes to Mary that only belong to God.
Here's the distinction.
The Roman Catholic leader claims a lofty title, with the claim that he can speak direct revelation of God.
The Roman Catholic church attributes deity attributes to Mary.
Their own head theologian the Pope even encouraged this as I've shown in my list already.
These things are significantly worse than the little laundry list you gave.
Your very church, along with its Pope who claims to be THE VICAR OF CHRIST, has indeed given attributes to Mary that only belong to God.
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I think what you're doing is creating two camps.
1. Roman Catholic
2. Non-Roman Catholics.
You then pinpoint errors in each denomination, then toss them ALL into the Non-Roman Catholic group, and basically proclaim, "See you have errors too, it's not just my camp."
You portray it as if we're stuck in the second camp you created, thus somehow we'll have to always stay in it, just like you stay in the RCC camp despite their HUGE heresy.
The thing is, there is more than one camp in the second camp you created
If my church/denom said gay clergy was fine, I'd leave.
If my church denom still condoned burning people at the stake, I'd leave.
So yes, one church in the second camp you created may allow gays, or burn people at the stake. You forgot more than one camp exists in the second camp you created.
You on the other hand are in a major camp that gives deity attributes to Mary, which is so hideous that it distracts whom we call on for help, forgiveness and salvation itself. I've shown that this isn't a fringe belief/activity.
If a church in my non-Catholic camp gave all of those deity attributes to Mary, I'd leave.
This is major heresy man, and your camp continues to perpetuate it.
Doesn't your ongoing fellowship sort of give some level of approval to it?
Especially to such an extreme thing?
It's not just error, it's heresy.
It does distract from true focus on God.
1. Roman Catholic
2. Non-Roman Catholics.
You then pinpoint errors in each denomination, then toss them ALL into the Non-Roman Catholic group, and basically proclaim, "See you have errors too, it's not just my camp."
You portray it as if we're stuck in the second camp you created, thus somehow we'll have to always stay in it, just like you stay in the RCC camp despite their HUGE heresy.
The thing is, there is more than one camp in the second camp you created
If my church/denom said gay clergy was fine, I'd leave.
If my church denom still condoned burning people at the stake, I'd leave.
So yes, one church in the second camp you created may allow gays, or burn people at the stake. You forgot more than one camp exists in the second camp you created.
You on the other hand are in a major camp that gives deity attributes to Mary, which is so hideous that it distracts whom we call on for help, forgiveness and salvation itself. I've shown that this isn't a fringe belief/activity.
If a church in my non-Catholic camp gave all of those deity attributes to Mary, I'd leave.
This is major heresy man, and your camp continues to perpetuate it.
Doesn't your ongoing fellowship sort of give some level of approval to it?
Especially to such an extreme thing?
It's not just error, it's heresy.
It does distract from true focus on God.
Brother Thomist.
1. We promise to become dependent on Mary in all things.
surrender to Mary for all is serious crime.
My church may not perfect. but it is serious. It replace Jesus with Mary. If I were you I leave catholic and come to Jesus.
Brother your savior is Jesus not the church.
What happen if I surrender all to Mohammad?
Are you going to say nobody perfect. it wrong but it OK?
Brother, as son as I say I promise to depend on Mohammad in all thing, I automatically denounce Jesus as my only Lord.
by that time I am no longer Jesus follower.
It's not just not perfect but it is rebellion against Jesus.
1. We promise to become dependent on Mary in all things.
surrender to Mary for all is serious crime.
My church may not perfect. but it is serious. It replace Jesus with Mary. If I were you I leave catholic and come to Jesus.
Brother your savior is Jesus not the church.
What happen if I surrender all to Mohammad?
Are you going to say nobody perfect. it wrong but it OK?
Brother, as son as I say I promise to depend on Mohammad in all thing, I automatically denounce Jesus as my only Lord.
by that time I am no longer Jesus follower.
It's not just not perfect but it is rebellion against Jesus.
ThomastColin,
I am Pentecostal, but our denomination doesn't believe the tongues thing like you said. Those are Jesus-only's.
You are right about many inaccuracies in the Protestant church..... & there are many more. But remember that ALL of them believe in Christ for Salvation, & pray to the Father in Jesus' name. If Catholics pray to Mary, then Mary is their god.
Please understand, the level of glory given to Mary puts her at godhood. That's heresy in anyone's religion.
Every person that's posted here against this false doctrine could also cover a dozen other false doctrines in the RCC. Since the Pope & the high order of cardinals (whatever it's called) can/add/subtract/substitute/change a whole doctrine in the Bible, the RCC thru the years have become worse & worse. Even you believe this Mary doctrine is wrong. Making Mary God is just another way to preach another Jesus, because she does it all.
I am Pentecostal, but our denomination doesn't believe the tongues thing like you said. Those are Jesus-only's.
You are right about many inaccuracies in the Protestant church..... & there are many more. But remember that ALL of them believe in Christ for Salvation, & pray to the Father in Jesus' name. If Catholics pray to Mary, then Mary is their god.
Please understand, the level of glory given to Mary puts her at godhood. That's heresy in anyone's religion.
Every person that's posted here against this false doctrine could also cover a dozen other false doctrines in the RCC. Since the Pope & the high order of cardinals (whatever it's called) can/add/subtract/substitute/change a whole doctrine in the Bible, the RCC thru the years have become worse & worse. Even you believe this Mary doctrine is wrong. Making Mary God is just another way to preach another Jesus, because she does it all.
1. We promise to become dependent on Mary in all things.
2. To offer all our prayers and oblations to God through Mary.
3. To seek every gift from God through Mary.
Pantecostal, Baptist, Methodist etc. have they own believe system, but they claim bible is the only source for their doctrine. At least they have the same text book.
Pray to the same Jesus. No body perfect. Yes indeed.
But if they go to far, we better leave them and go to Jesus.
Catholic not only use bible as the text book, but also the traditions that lead to surrender to Mary.
Look at the doctrine, It is obvious replace Jesus.
I hope my precious catholic brother and sister aware. Who behind this doctrine.
Lucifer did the same thing. He rebel and tray to replace God.
Seem to me Lucifer is behind catholic doctrine. It my hurt our catholic brother and sister, but it is very very important to consider and investigate, why the principle of catholic doctrine look like Lucifer scandal?
[h=3]The 16th appearance (25 March)[edit][/h]
Our Lady of Lourdes - Mary appearing atLourdes with Rosary Beads. The words on her halo are: 'Je suis l'Immaculée conception' (I am the Immaculate Conception).[SUP][13][/SUP] These are the words thatBernadette reported Mary said to her in the 16th apparition.
"I went every day for a fortnight, and each day I asked her who she was–and this petition always made her smile. After the fortnight I asked her three times consecutively. She always smiled. At last I tried for the fourth time. She stopped smiling. With her arms down, she raised her eyes to heaven and then, folding her hands over her breast she said, 'I am the Immaculate Conception.' Then I went back to M. le Curé to tell him that she had said she was the Immaculate Conception, and he asked was I absolutely certain. I said yes, and so as not to forget the words, I had repeated them all the way home."[SUP][14][/SUP]
The apparition did not identify herself until the 17th vision, although the townspeople who believed she was telling the truth assumed she saw the Virgin Mary. Bernadette never claimed it to be Mary, calling what she saw simply "Aquerò" (or rather "that thing"), aquerò (pronounced [aˈk(e)ɾɔ]) being Gascon Occitan for that. Bernadette described the lady as wearing a white veil and a blue girdle; she had a golden rose on each foot and held a rosary of pearls. Lourdes apparitions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
12. And Aseneth got up, and the man said to her, "Take off the black tunic you are wearing and the sackcloth round your waist, [14] and shake the ashes off your head, and wash your face with water. 13. And put on a new robe that you have never worn before, [15] and tie your bright girdle round your waist -- the double girdle of your virginity. 14. And then come back to me, and I will tell you what I have been sent to you to say." 15. And Aseneth went into the room where her treasure-chests and the finery for her adornment were; [16] and she opened her wardrobe and took out a new, fine robe, and she took off her black robe and put on the new and brilliant one. 16. And she untied the rope and the sackcloth round her waist; [17] and she put on the brilliant double girdle of her virginity -- one girdle round her waist and the other round her breast. 17. And she shook the ashes off her head, and washed her face with pure water, and covered her head with a fine and lovely veil.
[SIZE=+1]XV.[/SIZE] And she came back to the man; and when the man saw her he said to her, "Take now the veil off your head, for to-day you are a pure virgin and your head is like a young man's." 2. So she took it off her head; and the man said to her, "Take heart, Aseneth, [1] for lo, the Lord has heard the words of your confession. 3. Take heart, Aseneth, [2] your name is written in the book of life, and it will never be blotted out. 4. From to-day you will be made new, and refashioned, and given new life; and you shall eat the bread of life and drink the cup of immortality, and be anointed with the unction of incorruption. [3] 5. Take heart, Aseneth: [4] lo, the Lord has given you to Joseph to be his bride, and he shall be your bridegroom. 6. And you shall no more be called Aseneth, but 'City of Refuge' shall be your name; for many nations shall take refuge in you, and under your wings shall [5] many peoples [6] find shelter,[7] and within your walls those who give their allegiance to God in penitence will find security.
Joseph & Aseneth: Translated by David Cook
Our Lady of Lourdes - Mary appearing atLourdes with Rosary Beads. The words on her halo are: 'Je suis l'Immaculée conception' (I am the Immaculate Conception).[SUP][13][/SUP] These are the words thatBernadette reported Mary said to her in the 16th apparition.
"I went every day for a fortnight, and each day I asked her who she was–and this petition always made her smile. After the fortnight I asked her three times consecutively. She always smiled. At last I tried for the fourth time. She stopped smiling. With her arms down, she raised her eyes to heaven and then, folding her hands over her breast she said, 'I am the Immaculate Conception.' Then I went back to M. le Curé to tell him that she had said she was the Immaculate Conception, and he asked was I absolutely certain. I said yes, and so as not to forget the words, I had repeated them all the way home."[SUP][14][/SUP]
The apparition did not identify herself until the 17th vision, although the townspeople who believed she was telling the truth assumed she saw the Virgin Mary. Bernadette never claimed it to be Mary, calling what she saw simply "Aquerò" (or rather "that thing"), aquerò (pronounced [aˈk(e)ɾɔ]) being Gascon Occitan for that. Bernadette described the lady as wearing a white veil and a blue girdle; she had a golden rose on each foot and held a rosary of pearls. Lourdes apparitions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
12. And Aseneth got up, and the man said to her, "Take off the black tunic you are wearing and the sackcloth round your waist, [14] and shake the ashes off your head, and wash your face with water. 13. And put on a new robe that you have never worn before, [15] and tie your bright girdle round your waist -- the double girdle of your virginity. 14. And then come back to me, and I will tell you what I have been sent to you to say." 15. And Aseneth went into the room where her treasure-chests and the finery for her adornment were; [16] and she opened her wardrobe and took out a new, fine robe, and she took off her black robe and put on the new and brilliant one. 16. And she untied the rope and the sackcloth round her waist; [17] and she put on the brilliant double girdle of her virginity -- one girdle round her waist and the other round her breast. 17. And she shook the ashes off her head, and washed her face with pure water, and covered her head with a fine and lovely veil.
[SIZE=+1]XV.[/SIZE] And she came back to the man; and when the man saw her he said to her, "Take now the veil off your head, for to-day you are a pure virgin and your head is like a young man's." 2. So she took it off her head; and the man said to her, "Take heart, Aseneth, [1] for lo, the Lord has heard the words of your confession. 3. Take heart, Aseneth, [2] your name is written in the book of life, and it will never be blotted out. 4. From to-day you will be made new, and refashioned, and given new life; and you shall eat the bread of life and drink the cup of immortality, and be anointed with the unction of incorruption. [3] 5. Take heart, Aseneth: [4] lo, the Lord has given you to Joseph to be his bride, and he shall be your bridegroom. 6. And you shall no more be called Aseneth, but 'City of Refuge' shall be your name; for many nations shall take refuge in you, and under your wings shall [5] many peoples [6] find shelter,[7] and within your walls those who give their allegiance to God in penitence will find security.
Joseph & Aseneth: Translated by David Cook