AM I JEW OR A GENTILE IF I KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS ?
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Angela, I think that you have a serious misunderstanding of your God, and you are using individual verses without the whole of God's purpose for us to reach that, and I know from experience that once a mind is stuck in this nothing of scripture will help! And you have great knowledge of scripture.
You need to study Galatians from the point of view of all you know of God. If you read that Paul teaches that all of Moses has to be gotten rid of, even though that would not be in keeping with all the rest of scripture, you are lost as far as understanding truth.
When scripture points out that God is God and it is not our works that God performs His forgiving wonders, it is not God telling us that works told of in the law is wrong, and God says He doesn't want us to have anything more to do with working.
And when God says the new covenant makes the old one obsolete, to read that as God saying He makes a big sweeping black out of obsoleting what God has spoken and all He is obsolete is not right, we have to go into scripture to find out just what it is that is obsolete.
You are always complaining about the scriptures I tell you of, because I give you ones that explain yours and you don't like it. Before, you wanted me to copy the bible for you and not say what it says.
Our problem is that you feel scripture is mainly in the NT, and we must not see the NT repeating the OT, and my problem with you is that I think all of scripture has the same story, centering on salvation through the blood of Christ, and you see it as NT getting rid of much of the Old (obsolete).
You need to study Galatians from the point of view of all you know of God. If you read that Paul teaches that all of Moses has to be gotten rid of, even though that would not be in keeping with all the rest of scripture, you are lost as far as understanding truth.
When scripture points out that God is God and it is not our works that God performs His forgiving wonders, it is not God telling us that works told of in the law is wrong, and God says He doesn't want us to have anything more to do with working.
And when God says the new covenant makes the old one obsolete, to read that as God saying He makes a big sweeping black out of obsoleting what God has spoken and all He is obsolete is not right, we have to go into scripture to find out just what it is that is obsolete.
You are always complaining about the scriptures I tell you of, because I give you ones that explain yours and you don't like it. Before, you wanted me to copy the bible for you and not say what it says.
Our problem is that you feel scripture is mainly in the NT, and we must not see the NT repeating the OT, and my problem with you is that I think all of scripture has the same story, centering on salvation through the blood of Christ, and you see it as NT getting rid of much of the Old (obsolete).
K
You probably do not recall because you were not on the receiving end, but I am hesitant to discuss much with you least you call me stupid and dumb. But one question I do have for seeing all your posts since I have been here, do you have peace in your heart like Messiah? Do you know Him, want to know Him? Because He said in His final hours to keep the Feast in remembrance of Him, and that He would not drink wine until He could drink it with us someday. That was what He asked of us..
So, that's what my Bible says, yet you say yours doesn't, so maybe we read different Bibles I don't know...but I will give you the last word and not respond anymore.~k
So, that's what my Bible says, yet you say yours doesn't, so maybe we read different Bibles I don't know...but I will give you the last word and not respond anymore.~k
If the Jews do not believe in Jesus as the messiah,, it won't matter. They denied him back then.
Christians enter in because of belief, they enter into his rest.
Hebrews ch:4A Sabbath-Rest for God's People
1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Christians enter in because of belief, they enter into his rest.
Hebrews ch:4A Sabbath-Rest for God's People
1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
the point in Galatians 3 Is that the law was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made. It was the schoolmaster that was needed before faith came, but after faith came we no longer needed the schoolmaster for we are all one in Christ Jesus
Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
its not that the laws don't exist. Laws do exist but you won't find them in scripture. They are within our hearts provided through oneness with Christ through faith.
Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
its not that the laws don't exist. Laws do exist but you won't find them in scripture. They are within our hearts provided through oneness with Christ through faith.
With all the law does for us, why would you want it to also change you? Of the feasts that God asks us to do to celebrate Him, you also say they are to save you? After we are saved and awakened, God gave the ten commandments to help us grow in Him, and now you also ask that they awaken you. Are you wanting to throw them out because they won't do what you ask of them? That is not listening to scripture.
That would be like saying I won't have a refrigerator in my house because it won't cook my food.
That would be like saying I won't have a refrigerator in my house because it won't cook my food.
Redtent, I think the moral of the story is this. If you rest in the 10 commandments you are missing out on something far more intimate and detailed. We don't need them for one reason. The Lord is in you. He is with you. He will teach you far more than those commandments ever could. If you feel in your heart He wants you to rest on the Sabbath then amen. However, He may just as well tell you one day He wants to spend Monday with you out by the lake. By trusting Jesus and focusing on Him you allow much more than just 10 commandments. You make a love story. A dance, where He leads IN REAL TIME!!! 
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![h=3]John 10[/h]King James Version (KJV)
10 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]I and my Father are one.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
[SUP]33 [/SUP]The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
[SUP]35 [/SUP]If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
[SUP]37 [/SUP]If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And went away again beyond Jordan into the place where John at first baptized; and there he abode.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]And many resorted unto him, and said, John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true.
[SUP]42 [/SUP]And many believed on him there.
10 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]I and my Father are one.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
[SUP]33 [/SUP]The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
[SUP]35 [/SUP]If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
[SUP]37 [/SUP]If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And went away again beyond Jordan into the place where John at first baptized; and there he abode.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]And many resorted unto him, and said, John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true.
[SUP]42 [/SUP]And many believed on him there.
Redtent, I think the moral of the story is this. If you rest in the 10 commandments you are missing out on something far more intimate and detailed. We don't need them for one reason. The Lord is in you. He is with you. He will teach you far more than those commandments ever could. If you feel in your heart He wants you to rest on the Sabbath then amen. However, He may just as well tell you one day He wants to spend Monday with you out by the lake. By trusting Jesus and focusing on Him you allow much more than just 10 commandments. You make a love story. A dance, where He leads IN REAL TIME!!! !
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its not like that Redtent and I'm sorry if it comes across like that. I see it as this. If I am away I might leave a note for my son. At 8am make your bed, at 12pm eat lunch, at 2pm clean your room, at 5pm help your mother with the groceries. There is nothing wrong with what I've left my child. However, when I return from out of town, Its not that I don't want him to make his bed at 8am, but I will be there with him, and it is possible that instead of making his bed at 8 am I will wake him up at 7am to go on an unexpected fishing trip.
While I am home should my child go back to the letter for guidance or talk to me?
While I am home should my child go back to the letter for guidance or talk to me?
On that note Redtent, I am also not suggesting you are doing anything wrong by doing those things which you do to please God. Its not what we do but why we do it. I would just caution against teaching the law as salvation doctrine (not that you have, I don't really know) but I can't think of anything wrong with going out of your way to do things for God.