Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

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YoungServant

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it's funny when someone is doing something wrong you tell them its wrong they automatically labels it as judging so what if it is, as Christians we are expected to judge each other so that we may know the truth and follow the right path if they keep doing something wrong and we don't tell them so what will happened to their spiritual walk with God? Is it better to lose a soul then to tell the truth because it will hurt?

1 Corinthians 6

1-4And how dare you take each other to court! When you think you have been wronged, does it make any sense to go before a court that knows nothing of God's ways instead of a family of Christians? The day is coming when the world is going to stand before a jury made up of followers of Jesus. If someday you are going to rule on the world's fate, wouldn't it be a good idea to practice on some of these smaller cases? Why, we're even going to judge angels! So why not these everyday affairs? As these disagreements and wrongs surface, why would you ever entrust them to the judgment of people you don't trust in any other way? 5-6I say this as bluntly as I can to wake you up to the stupidity of what you're doing. Is it possible that there isn't one levelheaded person among you who can make fair decisions when disagreements and disputes come up? I don't believe it. And here you are taking each other to court before people who don't even believe in God! How can they render justice if they don't believe in the God of justice?
 
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Ramon

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zone said:
excuses for sin.
justify sin.
promote sin.

always the hue and cry of the OH SO RIGHTEOUS MAN.

Luke 18
The Pharisee and the Tax Collector
9 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: 10 “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ 13 But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”
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Ah but he is exalting Jesus, as the one who can wash us of our sins. Tell me, did Jesus not die to take away the sins of the world? How then can one be called a sinner who HE HAS CLEANSED. They you would be saying Jesus did nothing on the cross. And so we glorify Christ but you glorify sin. Which is true? Not by our works, but by his work. And who is a disciple but those who follow him and obey him?
 
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Ramon said:
Ah but he is exalting Jesus, as the one who can wash us of our sins. Tell me, did Jesus not die to take away the sins of the world? How then can one be called a sinner who HE HAS CLEANSED. They you would be saying Jesus did nothing on the cross. And so we glorify Christ but you glorify sin. Which is true? Not by our works, but by his work. And who is a disciple but those who follow him and obey him?
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Yes Ramon, Jesus died to free us from sin itself, not simply the penalty of it.
 
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YoungServant

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even if we are saved don't we go back to being sinners after we've sinned and then we have to repent so that we can renew our walk with God
 
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zone said:
1) If i play football once in a while, does it make me a footballer? YES BUT LIKELY NOT A GOOD ONE
2)If i sing once in a while, does it make me a musician? YES BUT LIKELY NOT A GOOD ONE
3)If i tell jokes once in a while, does it make a comedian? YES BUT LIKELY NOT A GOOD ONE
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Zone read Romans 6 plz, tell God to give you understanding of it. And then come back and tell me if you're still a sinner after been saved.. Plz read it..:)
 
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Zone read Romans 6 plz, tell God to give you understanding of it. And then come back and tell me if you're still a sinner after been saved.. Plz read it..:)
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Tobby
i am not interested in this tapdance.
i KNOW how we are declraed righteous, and i KNOW how we are sanctified.

now you're either admitting you still sin or you are claiming you don't, and you're teaching others they will reach sinlessness.

this NEVER comes up until the RIGHTEOUS SIN COPS show up waving their sinless badge around wanting to see everybody's sin papers.

when did you last sin Tobby? don't give me some cutesy sports story that JUSTIFIES YOUR SIN.
 
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Yes Ramon, Jesus died to free us from sin itself, not simply the penalty of it.
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so, when were you saved 4runner?
does it say on your profile?
 
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Ah but he is exalting Jesus, as the one who can wash us of our sins. Tell me, did Jesus not die to take away the sins of the world? How then can one be called a sinner who HE HAS CLEANSED. They you would be saying Jesus did nothing on the cross. And so we glorify Christ but you glorify sin. Which is true? Not by our works, but by his work. And who is a disciple but those who follow him and obey him?
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what trash.
you claiming to be the great shining example of sinlessness and obedience is a bigger sin than any i've committed lately.
 
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unclefester

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4runner said:
The freedom Christ offers us all.

John 8
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
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For you 4runner....and Ramon,

1 John 1:8 (KJV)

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
 
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unclefester

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zone said:
Tobby
i am not interested in this tapdance.
i KNOW how we are declraed righteous, and i KNOW how we are sanctified.

now you're either admitting you still sin or you are claiming you don't, and you're teaching others they will reach sinlessness.

this NEVER comes up until the RIGHTEOUS SIN COPS show up waving their sinless badge around wanting to see everybody's sin papers.

when did you last sin Tobby? don't give me some cutesy sports story that JUSTIFIES YOUR SIN.
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They still sin. Matter of fact, they're sinning right now if they proclaim they don't.

1 John 1:8 (KJV)

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
 
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unclefester said:
They still sin. Matter of fact, they're sinning right now if they proclaim they don't.

1 John 1:8 (KJV)

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
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but john says they are DECEIVED. so they don't even know it.
no truth in them.
none.
 
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unclefester

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zone said:
but john says they are DECEIVED. so they don't even know it.
no truth in them.
none.
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Agreed Zone. Truly a marvel to read their nonsense.
 
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Ramon

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zone said:
what trash.
you claiming to be the great shining example of sinlessness and obedience is a bigger sin than any i've committed lately.
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Jesus is that great shining example of sinlessness and obedience. Follow him.

May Jesus bless you.
 
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Ramon said:
Jesus is that great shining example of sinlessness and obedience. Follow him.

May Jesus bless you.
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well i'm not sure i want to...it seems like He's REALLY TICKED OFF.
maybe one of your prophet buddies can tell us how angry Jesus is with us today, Ramon.
 
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Ramon

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zone said:
well i'm not sure i want to...it seems like He's REALLY TICKED OFF.
maybe one of your prophet buddies can tell us how angry Jesus is with us today, Ramon.
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Jesus said his sheep follow him, and they hear his voice. Do you follow him? Do you hear his voice? Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life, and you can't go in no other way. And the wrath of God is revealed against all those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness.

Yet, it is the goodness of God that leads one to repentance. Yes, God is good to me, because he keeps me from pride.

May Jesus bless you.
 
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unclefester

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Ramon said:
Jesus is that great shining example of sinlessness and obedience. Follow him.

May Jesus bless you.
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He was also that great and perfect sinless sacrifice for sinners like you and I. But now that you and 4runner have "followed" Him to perfection, He's not needed anymore......because you guys don't sin anymore. Right ??
 
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unclefester

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Ramon said:
Jesus said his sheep follow him, and they hear his voice. Do you follow him? Do you hear his voice? Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life, and you can't go in no other way. And the wrath of God is revealed against all those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness.

Yet, it is the goodness of God that leads one to repentance. Yes, God is good to me, because he keeps me from pride.

May Jesus bless you.
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Can somebody direct me to the vomitorium ?
 
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Ramon said:
Jesus said his sheep follow him, and they hear his voice. Do you follow him? Do you hear his voice? Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life, and you can't go in no other way. And the wrath of God is revealed against all those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness.

Yet, it is the goodness of God that leads one to repentance. Yes, God is good to me, because he keeps me from pride.

May Jesus bless you.
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*cough*
*cough*
 
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Tobby17

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Tanx for pointing out Jesus. Is Jesus not supposed to be our example?. Did Jesus not live a holy life even though he was tempted like us. Does the bible not encourage us to be like Jesus, who was tempted in every way like us and still was without Sin?..

That said, you should know now that it is possible to reach Sinlessness. Afterall the bible says *Be ye holy for i am holy*....
 
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Tobby17 said:
Tanx for pointing out Jesus. Is Jesus not supposed to be our example?. Did Jesus not live a holy life even though he was tempted like us. Does the bible not encourage us to be like Jesus, who was tempted in every way like us and still was without Sin?..

That said, you should know now that it is possible to reach Sinlessness. Afterall the bible says *Be ye holy for i am holy*....
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'its possible to reach sinlessness'.
have you?

do you know anyone who has?

yes or no. that's all. just yes or no.
 
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