Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
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okay, i finally know what this entire thread is about now...
while sinning will never be justified, God does call us to live holy lives.
True, no one is perfect except Christ, but that does not mean we shouldn't strive for holiness.
the day that Jesus returns is the day that only those who have abode in Christ are made perfect through Him
Grace does not give us the right to sin.
while sinning will never be justified, God does call us to live holy lives.
True, no one is perfect except Christ, but that does not mean we shouldn't strive for holiness.
the day that Jesus returns is the day that only those who have abode in Christ are made perfect through Him
Grace does not give us the right to sin.
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yes but a lot of people like to debate what is God's ways and path and judge others to be on the wrong path without looking to see if they might be the ones walking down the dark paths with the false light of fallen angels.
The first and most important battle is inside our own minds for the dominion of our minds so that we personally might be free and walking with Jesus from the bonds of sins and lies of Satan. This must be done with the guidance and power of the Holy Spirit. Before we can correct anyone else we must be assured that our obedience to Christ is complete and absolute and that our hearts are cleansed of all sin. that we have repentant of anything that God through His Holy Spirit has shown us we need to be in godly sorrow about for we are not to grieve the Holy Spirit. therefore we must first be mature Christians showing all the fruits of the Spirit and fullness of Love.
2 Peter 1
5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Galatians 5:22-23
New King James Version (NKJV)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
2 Corinthians 10
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, 6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.
The first and most important battle is inside our own minds for the dominion of our minds so that we personally might be free and walking with Jesus from the bonds of sins and lies of Satan. This must be done with the guidance and power of the Holy Spirit. Before we can correct anyone else we must be assured that our obedience to Christ is complete and absolute and that our hearts are cleansed of all sin. that we have repentant of anything that God through His Holy Spirit has shown us we need to be in godly sorrow about for we are not to grieve the Holy Spirit. therefore we must first be mature Christians showing all the fruits of the Spirit and fullness of Love.
2 Peter 1
5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Galatians 5:22-23
New King James Version (NKJV)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
2 Corinthians 10
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, 6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.
1 Timothy 5:20
As for those who are guilty and persist in sin, rebuke and admonish them in the presence of all, so that the rest may be warned and stand in wholesome awe and fear.
- Titus 1:13
And this account of them is [really] true. Because it is [true], rebuke them sharply [deal sternly, even severely with them], so that they may be sound in the faith and free from error,
Titus 1:12-14 (in Context) Titus 1 (Whole Chapter) - Titus 2:15
Tell [them all] these things. Urge (advise, encourage, warn) and rebuke with full authority. Let no one despise or disregard or think little of you [conduct yourself and your teaching so as to command respect].
Titus 2:14-15 (in Context) Titus 2 (Whole Chapter) - James 2:9
But if you show servile regard (prejudice, favoritism) for people, you commit sin and are rebuked and convicted by the Law as violators and offenders.
Preach it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To be honest it deserves no reply. However just to humor you.
1st John 1
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1st John 2
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
You cannot use this passage to promote sin. Taking one verse out of context and trying to force it to say something it doesnt is the first sign of a deceiver.
1st John 1
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1st John 2
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
You cannot use this passage to promote sin. Taking one verse out of context and trying to force it to say something it doesnt is the first sign of a deceiver.
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yes but a lot of people like to debate what is God's ways and path and judge others to be on the wrong path without looking to see if they might be the ones walking down the dark paths with the false light of fallen angels.
The first and most important battle is inside our own minds for the dominion of our minds so that we personally might be free and walking with Jesus from the bonds of sins and lies of Satan. This must be done with the guidance and power of the Holy Spirit. Before we can correct anyone else we must be assured that our obedience to Christ is complete and absolute and that our hearts are cleansed of all sin. that we have repentant of anything that God through His Holy Spirit has shown us we need to be in godly sorrow about for we are not to grieve the Holy Spirit. therefore we must first be mature Christians showing all the fruits of the Spirit and fullness of Love.
so are you saying that we have to be sinless before we judge others, we have to reach perfection?
The first and most important battle is inside our own minds for the dominion of our minds so that we personally might be free and walking with Jesus from the bonds of sins and lies of Satan. This must be done with the guidance and power of the Holy Spirit. Before we can correct anyone else we must be assured that our obedience to Christ is complete and absolute and that our hearts are cleansed of all sin. that we have repentant of anything that God through His Holy Spirit has shown us we need to be in godly sorrow about for we are not to grieve the Holy Spirit. therefore we must first be mature Christians showing all the fruits of the Spirit and fullness of Love.
so are you saying that we have to be sinless before we judge others, we have to reach perfection?
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before we JUDGE others? yes you must obtain perfection which will not happen until Jesus comes again.
do you know the difference between rebuke and exhortation?
Judgement and rebuke are connected with punishment and rejection. However convicting and exhortation is about teaching and learning.
Kind of like the difference between discipline and punishment. one helps trains kids to obey the rules, the other just reacts when the kids do not follow the rules.
not sure if that makes any sense.
1 Timothy 5
1 Do not rebuke an older man, but exhort him as a father, younger men as brothers, 2 older women as mothers, younger women as sisters, with all purity.
do you know the difference between rebuke and exhortation?
Judgement and rebuke are connected with punishment and rejection. However convicting and exhortation is about teaching and learning.
Kind of like the difference between discipline and punishment. one helps trains kids to obey the rules, the other just reacts when the kids do not follow the rules.
not sure if that makes any sense.
1 Timothy 5
1 Do not rebuke an older man, but exhort him as a father, younger men as brothers, 2 older women as mothers, younger women as sisters, with all purity.
well i thought that's what YOU SAID we were supposed to do! you continually bring up sin to christians.
and you said you reached sinlessness. so i thought i'd emulate you.
umm...now i'm confused. am i not allowed to go around fanning up stuff on other people's sin....until.....i'm sinless?
I WANNA SIN COP BADGE!
and you said you reached sinlessness. so i thought i'd emulate you.
umm...now i'm confused. am i not allowed to go around fanning up stuff on other people's sin....until.....i'm sinless?
I WANNA SIN COP BADGE!
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The false teaching of sinless perfection "my my".
This leads to spiritual pride, and the feeling one is spiritually elite.
The Gospel of Luke, chapter 18 verses 9 through 14 provide a wonderful example of the spiritual pride shown by the pharisee.
Simple test, are you 100 percent perfect at all times in thought, speech, and deed.
A modern day pharisee who is consumed with spiritual pride will answer yes, that they are perfect.
Pharisee's even persecuted Jesus and his Apostle's on a continual basis.
I on the other hand will answer no. I am not perfect.
A proponent of sinless perfection will rationalize their sin's as small trivial mistake's, or minor error's,
over looking their own sin's while amplifying the short comings of others.
We all know (except the one's that claim to be perfect), that sin is a sin (period), and that no man is perfect.
This false teaching is so obvious that it's not hard to spot. First John chapter 1 verse 10.
This leads to spiritual pride, and the feeling one is spiritually elite.
The Gospel of Luke, chapter 18 verses 9 through 14 provide a wonderful example of the spiritual pride shown by the pharisee.
Simple test, are you 100 percent perfect at all times in thought, speech, and deed.
A modern day pharisee who is consumed with spiritual pride will answer yes, that they are perfect.
Pharisee's even persecuted Jesus and his Apostle's on a continual basis.
I on the other hand will answer no. I am not perfect.
A proponent of sinless perfection will rationalize their sin's as small trivial mistake's, or minor error's,
over looking their own sin's while amplifying the short comings of others.
We all know (except the one's that claim to be perfect), that sin is a sin (period), and that no man is perfect.
This false teaching is so obvious that it's not hard to spot. First John chapter 1 verse 10.
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Exactly. Many of us struggle with various weaknesses which we will never overcome in and of our own strength.The simple truth is that we can not sanctify ourselves. Unfortunately, many teach that we will never overcome those weaknesses in this life. While it is true that you and I can not overcome them, Christ sacrificed himself that we may not only be forgiven for our transgressions but also to repair the rift between God and man thus our bodies are now the temple of the Spirit of the living God through which all things are possible. It just so happens that sanctification id His specialty! He is more than able to deliverance from those sinful tendencies which haunt us when we truly understand what the scriptures teach concerning such matters.
1 Corinthians 10:13 states: "The temptations in your life are no different from what others experience. And God is faithful. He will not allow the temptation to be more than you can stand. When you are tempted, he will show you a way out so that you can endure."
If this verse is true and God is faithful to show us the way out when we are tempted then we need to take our eyes off of our temptations and begin to look to God for the escape. What is the escape? Look no further than the gospels for the answer. When Jesus was confronted by the Devil with various temptations, what did Jesus do? He turned to the Word of God. We should do the same!
There are many scriptures throughout the bible that discuss this very issue, scriptures that we can use to remind us of God's promise that we needn't fulfill the desires of the flesh when we take our eyes off of our worldly desires in the moment of temptation and place our focus on Jesus. Here are a few of my favorites:
John 8:31 "Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
2 Peter 1:3-4 "His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires."
I John 2:1-2 "My dear children, I am writing this to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate who pleads our case before the Father. He is Jesus Christ, the one who is truly righteous. He himself is the sacrifice that atones for our sins—and not only our sins but the sins of all the world."
James 4:7-8 "Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Draw near to God and He will draw near to you."
Jude 1:22-26 "Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy, to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord,be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen."
1 Corinthians 10:13 states: "The temptations in your life are no different from what others experience. And God is faithful. He will not allow the temptation to be more than you can stand. When you are tempted, he will show you a way out so that you can endure."
If this verse is true and God is faithful to show us the way out when we are tempted then we need to take our eyes off of our temptations and begin to look to God for the escape. What is the escape? Look no further than the gospels for the answer. When Jesus was confronted by the Devil with various temptations, what did Jesus do? He turned to the Word of God. We should do the same!
There are many scriptures throughout the bible that discuss this very issue, scriptures that we can use to remind us of God's promise that we needn't fulfill the desires of the flesh when we take our eyes off of our worldly desires in the moment of temptation and place our focus on Jesus. Here are a few of my favorites:
John 8:31 "Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
2 Peter 1:3-4 "His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires."
I John 2:1-2 "My dear children, I am writing this to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate who pleads our case before the Father. He is Jesus Christ, the one who is truly righteous. He himself is the sacrifice that atones for our sins—and not only our sins but the sins of all the world."
James 4:7-8 "Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Draw near to God and He will draw near to you."
Jude 1:22-26 "Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy, to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord,be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen."
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Christ say in John 14/24 he who does not love Me does not keep My sayings (his words) whoever hears these sayings of Mine (his words) and does not do them is like a foolish man who built his house (temple) upon the sand and when the rain descending and the floods came and beat on that house (temple) it fell and great was its fall (they were not keeping his saying His words they dont love him
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but whoever hears these sayings of Mine (his words) is like a wise man who built his house (temple) upon the rock (christ truth)_ and the rain descended and the floods came and beat on that house (temple) and it did not fall for it was founded upon the rock (christ truth) Ref 1st Cor 11/10 as the truth of christ is in me and no one can stop me from boasting in the region of Achaia (they were the temple of the living God they built there house (temple) upon the rock (christ truth)