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roaringkitten, what about Christians who are in denial about the spiritual gifts and that healing/miracles are for today? Having a form of godliness but denying the power, Can they fool God too?
You took that Scripture out of context:
"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." 2 Timothy 3:1-7
When you take that Scripture and look at it in context you will see that it is speaking about the unsaved. That Scripture you gave me within your commentary has nothing to do with Christians who dont believe in certain gifts.
"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. " 1 Timothy 2:3-4
Concerning your question to me about whether God can be fooled, I already answered that in my previous post.
With that, good night.
You took that Scripture out of context:
"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." 2 Timothy 3:1-7
When you take that Scripture and look at it in context you will see that it is speaking about the unsaved. That Scripture you gave me within your commentary has nothing to do with Christians who dont believe in certain gifts.
"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. " 1 Timothy 2:3-4
Concerning your question to me about whether God can be fooled, I already answered that in my previous post.
With that, good night.
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I think Roaring got you on that one. *lol*
However, what you are referring to is what I like to call "cut & paste christianity", where people pull various scriptures out of context, then glue them together in order to form twisted doctrine. In my opinion, and this is purely my opinion, three great examples of this are the belief that the spiritual gifts are no longer for today, Eternal Security - those who believe in the ideology of a "carnal christian" anyways, and the pre-tribulation rapture.
If you read the bible at face value, these three concepts simply are not there.
However, what you are referring to is what I like to call "cut & paste christianity", where people pull various scriptures out of context, then glue them together in order to form twisted doctrine. In my opinion, and this is purely my opinion, three great examples of this are the belief that the spiritual gifts are no longer for today, Eternal Security - those who believe in the ideology of a "carnal christian" anyways, and the pre-tribulation rapture.
If you read the bible at face value, these three concepts simply are not there.
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three great examples of this are the belief that the spiritual gifts are no longer for today, Eternal Security - those who believe in the ideology of a "carnal christian" anyways, and the pre-tribulation rapture.
Something for another thread to discuss......JFYI, I did recently revise my opinions about the prophecy and speaking in tongues...After reading Scripture and praying, I do feel the gift of tongues IS for today, just not the way many do it......But like I said, something for another thread to discuss.....
Something for another thread to discuss......JFYI, I did recently revise my opinions about the prophecy and speaking in tongues...After reading Scripture and praying, I do feel the gift of tongues IS for today, just not the way many do it......But like I said, something for another thread to discuss.....
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Here is my thing, I was never wittnessed to at a church or brought into one belief or another when i felt i was born again as a christain. It was something for me that has been with me for my entire life but until a dream i had of the lord and his coming again that really woke me up spiritually. I have done my own bible study and have paid attention to what others say in various discussions. My reason for not belonging to a particular church is for a lot of reasons mentioned above, although sometimes it would be nice to be included in a group discussion. I just don't want to be put into the same box as some of these others that have been mentioned in this discussion just because i live in the US. I live my life according to god and his church, which as i showed on the first post, does not belong to any one in a particular region but reaches throughout the world.
America: LOVE IT. OR LEAVE IT!! As a veteran, I am tired of seeing and hearing so many people in this country protesting like they have been. If you people don't like it here or you don't want the american troops fighting for our freedom then why don't you go fight for the other side?! Our soldiers; whether they be marines, army, navy, or air force, don't need to come home on leave and see that. That probably tells them that they are not appreciated. Remember: OUR FREEDOM CAME AT A PRICE!! FREEDOM IS NOT FREE!!Lots of people call you war protesters. I call you who do the protesting TRAITORS!!
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I think people are beginning to take the central theme of this discussion in the wrong way. I don't think this discussion has anything to do with patriotism or protesting but rather the fact that, as we approach the end times, the United States will eventually have to bow down to economic pressures and conform to a one world system.
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Yeah kingdom my reason for starting this thread was to try and let people know that not all americans are the same and that there are many who hold fast to the word of the lord and that we should not be placed into a general category. Yes there are many evil things in america, but evil is not just exclusive to the US, it is worldwide. I put a scripture on the very first thread that expresses my belief on how i feel we as christians should look at each other.
Whether there is a one world system i do not know but remeber this has been foretold..all nations will fall, the only thing left standing will be jerusalem, and with that it will be a new jerusalem.
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In America the "evil" there are many Christians and churches that do not tolerate sin, yet instead of sitting in judgement and pointing fingers sorta like, well, I dont know here. They choose to find away to change things. I travel alot and I have never met a Christian who is Pro-choice or a church who preaches such. I have seen many Christains stand outside of abortion clinics condemning and pointing fingers at the women and staff there holding up signs like "burn in hell, murderers". And on the other hand,. in "evil" America I have seen Christians who through prayer, love and counseling stop young mothers from going through with abortions. These Christians might hate sin but choose to assist rather then point fingers which i see all over this "evil" world. (i used abortion as an example because I have seen it mentioned alot).
"Evil" America ands most of its "tolerant" chruches all have missionaries in countries all over the world to include the many many things we do for our own "Evil" Amrican's. Yes, I agree Americans send only money sometimes and yet I feel that you have forgotten to mention they probably pray also for those they are sending that to. Oh and that money is an important part of most mission.
Someone so kindly pointed out that our churches our full of sin. And again I point out the judgement in that, since they have reallty not attended all the churches in "Evil" America to make that determanation. Please show me Christian who is without sin and I will show you a lie. 1John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
My point is that generalizing America as "Evil" is judging. Which we should humbly leave to God. We as Christians everywhere should do more to change the situation instead of making horrible statements such as "America the Evil". I am sorry if I seemed angry or rude this is not my intention I believe deeply in being kind and loving. But I am an American Soldier, who has seen many many beautiful Christians and many many wonderful churches who's priorities are straight. God bless.
"Evil" America ands most of its "tolerant" chruches all have missionaries in countries all over the world to include the many many things we do for our own "Evil" Amrican's. Yes, I agree Americans send only money sometimes and yet I feel that you have forgotten to mention they probably pray also for those they are sending that to. Oh and that money is an important part of most mission.
Someone so kindly pointed out that our churches our full of sin. And again I point out the judgement in that, since they have reallty not attended all the churches in "Evil" America to make that determanation. Please show me Christian who is without sin and I will show you a lie. 1John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
My point is that generalizing America as "Evil" is judging. Which we should humbly leave to God. We as Christians everywhere should do more to change the situation instead of making horrible statements such as "America the Evil". I am sorry if I seemed angry or rude this is not my intention I believe deeply in being kind and loving. But I am an American Soldier, who has seen many many beautiful Christians and many many wonderful churches who's priorities are straight. God bless.
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