Amillennialism

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And of course you are "rearranging" it to fit your false agenda therfore well on the road to deceiving many.
Christ returns! Satan is bound because it is HE alone who is able to do that.
EXACTLY!

And He did it at His FIRST coming.

(Matthew 12:27) And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.

(Matthew 12:28) But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

(Matthew 12:29) Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.


Who is the strong man?

Is he bound?
 
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EXACTLY!

And He did it at His FIRST coming.

(Matthew 12:27) And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.

(Matthew 12:28) But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

(Matthew 12:29) Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.


Who is the strong man?

Is he bound?
Satan has no more hold over death and hell (it is finished) Jesus on the cross/... Satan cannot tempt and deceive anymore ( it is done) Jesus after his return. only then is he bound. Sin still abounds because satan is still
around....dont you get it?
 
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Shroom....what did the writer mean in the first verse...

6) But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Was he letting the Hevrews know about a better covenant for their future ancestors in 2000 years or was he talking about now?
Since the new covenant is for Israel, and it's quite obvious the things described are not in place, he is talking about the future.
 
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Satan has no more hold over death and hell (it is finished) Jesus on the cross/... Satan cannot tempt and deceive anymore ( it is done) Jesus after his return. only then is he bound. Sin still abounds because satan is still
around....dont you get it?
You didnt address the scripture.

No one said the binding meant an end to people sinning. It only binds satasn from SPECIFICALLY deceiving the nations and gathering them to do battle against the saints,,,as Rev describes. Use the bibles definition not your own please.
 
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Since the new covenant is for Israel, and it's quite obvious the things described are not in place, he is talking about the future.
No you see...you are using Eisegesis

rather than exegesis.

He says NOW. So why does he say that and say the new covenant has been established. That means its all in place.

Is the following the New Covenant for the Hebrews?

(Hebrews 9:15) And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Isnt this the same as the covenant for the gentiles?
 
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No. They don't. :)

But they have to interpret "bound" as they do or amillennialism falls apart.
Black is white.

I use the biblical definition as described in Rev.

You and other premillers use ANY definition that can prove satan is not bound.
 
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what about the people who were rose from their graves after Jesus was cruxified?

Matthew 27
51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
54 So when the centurion and those with him, who were guarding Jesus, saw the earthquake and the things that had happened, they feared greatly, saying, “Truly this was the Son of God!”


what if this is the first resurrection? what if after you die and God wishes He raises the dead and has them reign with Him NOW in Heaven? Since Satan was tossed out of Heaven and is BOUND from going up there again.

or do you think Satan can still access God's throne?
If you are willing to read an opinion on Matt 27:51-53:
http://www.stfonline.org/pdf/rev/matthew_commentary.pdf
...it starts mid page 54
 
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No you see...you are using Eisegesis

rather than exegesis.

He says NOW. So why does he say that and say the new covenant has been established. That means its all in place.
Do you believe this is in effect NOW?
10) For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11) And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

I sure don't see it, but maybe you live in a better neighborhood that I do.

Is the following the New Covenant for the Hebrews?

(Hebrews 9:15) And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Isnt this the same as the covenant for the gentiles?
The same? No.

As you noted earlier, Hebrews is addressing Israel, the Jews. God has a plan for Israel, which was interrupted by this dispensation of grace. The old and new covenants concern Israel, not Christians.
 
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Black is white.

I use the biblical definition as described in Rev.

You and other premillers use ANY definition that can prove satan is not bound.
Satan is deceiving nations of people right now.

He is not bound.
 
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1 John 2:26-27
King James Version (KJV)
26These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.

27But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.



John 14:26
King James Version (KJV)
26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.



And all of Romans 8
 
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Do you believe this is in effect NOW?
10) For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11) And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

I sure don't see it, but maybe you live in a better neighborhood that I do.
What would it take for you to see it? What do you need to see?

I dont need to see anything, its' HAPPENED...the new deal is in place and was proclaimed to be open to the Hebrews. Some pressed in, the Apostles and many others.


The same? No.
As you noted earlier, Hebrews is addressing Israel, the Jews. God has a plan for Israel, which was interrupted by this dispensation of grace. The old and new covenants concern Israel, not Christians.
Wow Shroom....the new covenant is not for Christians?

Is the new covenant not the Gospel of Christ?

(Romans 1:16) For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
 
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Satan is deceiving nations of people right now.

He is not bound.
Name me a single nation that is TOTALLY deceived and doing battle against the saints?

(never mind it needs to be ALL NATIONS)
 
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No. They don't. :)

But they have to interpret "bound" as they do or amillennialism falls apart.
What boggles the imagination is the tenacity they use against those that believe in the gift of apostles and prophets or anyone that speaks a word of prophecy, yet they are so screwed up with this 'amillennial stuff' and all the rationalization they have to utilize just to make things fit into their warped understanding by taking so many things out of context and certain time frames of dispensation, that if they could they would put us back under Noahide laws and try to put the church inside the ark for safe keeping. We are suppose to believe that because they have done their homework that they know what they are talking about and should be honored for their error and constant misunderstanding of the scriptures because they won't submit to dispensations truth. They are way out there and maybe one day will come back to the truth that they have forsaken.
 
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The church is one of the fruits of the New Covenant. It would be impossible for the New Testament church to exist apart from the New Covenant. The New Covenant produces new hearts through the ministry of the Holy Spirit:

2 You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by everyone, 3 revealing that you are a letter of Christ, delivered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on stone tablets but on tablets of human hearts (2 Corinthians 3:2-3).

And we all, with unveiled faces reflecting the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another, which is from the Lord, who is the Spirit (2 Corinthians 3:18).

So then, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; what is old has passed away - look, what is new has come! (2 Corinthians 5:17)
 
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What boggles the imagination is the tenacity they use against those that believe in the gift of apostles and prophets or anyone that speaks a word of prophecy, yet they are so screwed up with this 'amillennial stuff' and all the rationalization they have to utilize just to make things fit into their warped understanding by taking so many things out of context and certain time frames of dispensation, that if they could they would put us back under Noahide laws and try to put the church inside the ark for safe keeping. We are suppose to believe that because they have done their homework that they know what they are talking about and should be honored for their error and constant misunderstanding of the scriptures because they won't submit to dispensations truth. They are way out there and maybe one day will come back to the truth that they have forsaken.
What boggles the mind is that "they" are quick to loosely interpret verses that plainly teach a post-trib thousand year millennial kingdom, but "they" insist on the strictest adherence to scripture relating to satan being bound so he cannot "deceive the nations". "They" are so screwed up with "their" "amillennial stuff" and all the rationalism "they" have to use to make things fit "their" warped interpretation of scripture that "they" ignore plainly written scripture which does teach dispensationalism. We are suppose to believe that because "they" have done "their" homework that "they" know what they are talking about and should be honored for their error and constant misunderstanding of the scriptures because "they" won't submit to dispensations truth. "They" are way out there and maybe one day will come back to the truth that "they" blindly refuse to hear.

...just sayin'.
 
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What boggles the imagination is the tenacity they use against those that believe in the gift of apostles and prophets or anyone that speaks a word of prophecy, yet they are so screwed up with this 'amillennial stuff' and all the rationalization they have to utilize just to make things fit into their warped understanding by taking so many things out of context and certain time frames of dispensation, that if they could they would put us back under Noahide laws and try to put the church inside the ark for safe keeping. We are suppose to believe that because they have done their homework that they know what they are talking about and should be honored for their error and constant misunderstanding of the scriptures because they won't submit to dispensations truth. They are way out there and maybe one day will come back to the truth that they have forsaken.
Eh?

Are you talking about us Red?

The people who have been exposing noahide law on these forums for years?