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You missed romans 11 Ananda.
Isreal is blind. Gentile sees. (even thought there ARE Jews saved during gentile time. Just like there were gentiles saved during Israels time))
Not one, Two people groups.
One is blind until the other people groups time is complete. Then their blindness will be removed.
And ALL ISREAL WILL BE SAVED.
Romans 11 is NOT ABOUT 1. That was the question I asked. why did he separate them in romans 11. You keep going to romans 9. I admited romans 9 he said they were one. so why are you arguing it? We agree. ROMANS 9 SAYS ONE
Isreal is blind. Gentile sees. (even thought there ARE Jews saved during gentile time. Just like there were gentiles saved during Israels time))
Not one, Two people groups.
One is blind until the other people groups time is complete. Then their blindness will be removed.
And ALL ISREAL WILL BE SAVED.
Romans 11 is NOT ABOUT 1. That was the question I asked. why did he separate them in romans 11. You keep going to romans 9. I admited romans 9 he said they were one. so why are you arguing it? We agree. ROMANS 9 SAYS ONE
Fleshy Israel was in babylon with Ezekiel:
(Ezekiel 3:1) Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, eat that thou findest; eat this roll, and go speak unto the house of Israel.
Ok? Have we established that fact? These are Jews aswell. "Jews" were in the House of Israel at that time.
Then the house of Israel returned from Babylon with Ezra and also Zerrubbabel and Nehemiah.
(Jeremiah 23:8) But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.
Alright EG, are you with me so far?
Israel were in babylon and then they went back to palestine. The ten tribes had to have been part of the gang that went back to Judah. If they didnt then they were not Gods people.
(Ezra 1:3) Who is there among you of all his people? his God be with him, and let him go up to Jerusalem, which is in Judah, and build the house of the LORD God of Israel, (he is the God,) which is in Jerusalem.
Are you telling me the ten tribes are not part of Gods people?
Do you want to tell us that it was only the Jews who returned from captivity?
(Ezra 6:16) And the children of Israel, the priests, and the Levites, and the rest of the children of the captivity, kept the dedication of this house of God with joy,
(Ezra 6:17) And offered at the dedication of this house of God an hundred bullocks, two hundred rams, four hundred lambs; and for a sin offering for all Israel, twelve he goats, according to the number of the tribes of Israel.
All Israel?
Looks like you have a problem here EG. Cant be ALL ISRAEL if ten tribes were missing can it?
Just admit it....ancient Jews and Israel are the SAME after the captivity. The two terms were INTERCHANGEABLE. Thats fulfillment of Eze 37!
How about this next verse? Is this just referring to "Jews"?
(Ezra 3:11) And they sang together by course in praising and giving thanks unto the LORD; because he is good, for his mercy endureth for ever toward Israel. And all the people shouted with a great shout, when they praised the LORD, because the foundation of the house of the LORD was laid.
Huh? Jews rooting for ISRAEL? Why would they be doing this if they arn't PART OF ISRAEL?
Heres something interesting:
(1 Chronicles 9:1) So all Israel were reckoned by genealogies; and, behold, they were written in the book of the kings of Israel and Judah, who were carried away to Babylon for their transgression.
(1 Chronicles 9:2) Now the first inhabitants that dwelt in their possessions in their cities were, the Israelites, the priests, Levites, and the Nethinims.
(1 Chronicles 9:3) And in Jerusalem dwelt of the children of Judah, and of the children of Benjamin, and of the children of Ephraim, and Manasseh;
AFTER the captivity this is. And theres Ephraim and Menassah...ISRAEL. Together with Judah and all the rest of them.
But you say only the Judhans came back?
Oh and just for kicks:
(Matthew 10:5) These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
(Matthew 10:6) But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Ok now thats not the words of any website...
So Ananda...you will obviously have to repost that coz EG is still on a "Doc Strike" AND I GIVE YOU FULL PERMISSION TO SAY THIS IS YOUR OWN WORDS.
So lets see him answer and say Israel didnt come back from the captivity.
(Ezekiel 3:1) Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, eat that thou findest; eat this roll, and go speak unto the house of Israel.
Ok? Have we established that fact? These are Jews aswell. "Jews" were in the House of Israel at that time.
Then the house of Israel returned from Babylon with Ezra and also Zerrubbabel and Nehemiah.
(Jeremiah 23:8) But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.
Alright EG, are you with me so far?
Israel were in babylon and then they went back to palestine. The ten tribes had to have been part of the gang that went back to Judah. If they didnt then they were not Gods people.
(Ezra 1:3) Who is there among you of all his people? his God be with him, and let him go up to Jerusalem, which is in Judah, and build the house of the LORD God of Israel, (he is the God,) which is in Jerusalem.
Are you telling me the ten tribes are not part of Gods people?
Do you want to tell us that it was only the Jews who returned from captivity?
(Ezra 6:16) And the children of Israel, the priests, and the Levites, and the rest of the children of the captivity, kept the dedication of this house of God with joy,
(Ezra 6:17) And offered at the dedication of this house of God an hundred bullocks, two hundred rams, four hundred lambs; and for a sin offering for all Israel, twelve he goats, according to the number of the tribes of Israel.
All Israel?
Looks like you have a problem here EG. Cant be ALL ISRAEL if ten tribes were missing can it?
Just admit it....ancient Jews and Israel are the SAME after the captivity. The two terms were INTERCHANGEABLE. Thats fulfillment of Eze 37!
How about this next verse? Is this just referring to "Jews"?
(Ezra 3:11) And they sang together by course in praising and giving thanks unto the LORD; because he is good, for his mercy endureth for ever toward Israel. And all the people shouted with a great shout, when they praised the LORD, because the foundation of the house of the LORD was laid.
Huh? Jews rooting for ISRAEL? Why would they be doing this if they arn't PART OF ISRAEL?
Heres something interesting:
(1 Chronicles 9:1) So all Israel were reckoned by genealogies; and, behold, they were written in the book of the kings of Israel and Judah, who were carried away to Babylon for their transgression.
(1 Chronicles 9:2) Now the first inhabitants that dwelt in their possessions in their cities were, the Israelites, the priests, Levites, and the Nethinims.
(1 Chronicles 9:3) And in Jerusalem dwelt of the children of Judah, and of the children of Benjamin, and of the children of Ephraim, and Manasseh;
AFTER the captivity this is. And theres Ephraim and Menassah...ISRAEL. Together with Judah and all the rest of them.
But you say only the Judhans came back?
Oh and just for kicks:
(Matthew 10:5) These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
(Matthew 10:6) But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Ok now thats not the words of any website...
So Ananda...you will obviously have to repost that coz EG is still on a "Doc Strike" AND I GIVE YOU FULL PERMISSION TO SAY THIS IS YOUR OWN WORDS.
So lets see him answer and say Israel didnt come back from the captivity.
doc found this super-cool lecture on the history of the american holiness movement...tsk.
i always seem to find these things after we've done the digging for 2 years LOL!
covers the whole shootin match.
will post tomorrow....brings us right up to date with the new perfectionists/arminians.
i smiled, not because its so sad (which it is) but because its total confirmation, which is always a good thing.
i always seem to find these things after we've done the digging for 2 years LOL!
covers the whole shootin match.
will post tomorrow....brings us right up to date with the new perfectionists/arminians.
i smiled, not because its so sad (which it is) but because its total confirmation, which is always a good thing.
ANALYZING
Scofield
WHY WE PUBLISHED THIS BOOK
After sixty-five years of ordained ministry and studying and teaching the Scriptures around the world, I am convinced that C. I. Scofield was taken in by an immense deception that he unwittingly believed and included in his Bible notes to the detriment of all who believe in them.
If the Church is to be built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets with Jesus Christ the Chief Cornerstone, then the presumptions and errors of the Scofield Reference Bible must be exposed. We are not his judge. But concerning the Scriptures, we are compelled to judge, 1Th 5:21. We are publishing this booklet that others might be able to know the facts as we have found them to be.
C.G.W.Scofield
WHY WE PUBLISHED THIS BOOK
After sixty-five years of ordained ministry and studying and teaching the Scriptures around the world, I am convinced that C. I. Scofield was taken in by an immense deception that he unwittingly believed and included in his Bible notes to the detriment of all who believe in them.
If the Church is to be built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets with Jesus Christ the Chief Cornerstone, then the presumptions and errors of the Scofield Reference Bible must be exposed. We are not his judge. But concerning the Scriptures, we are compelled to judge, 1Th 5:21. We are publishing this booklet that others might be able to know the facts as we have found them to be.
ANALYZING Cyrus I. Scofield and His Teaching
FANTASTIC POST.
now we are seeing no Kingdom Postponed
no need for a future 1,000 years, since all PROMISED ARE FUILLED IN JESUS CHRIST.
Apostle's Creed
I believe in God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth. And in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, and born of the virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried. He descended into hell. On the third day He rose again from the dead. He ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty. From thence He will come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy Christian church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen.no futurist program.
now we are seeing no Kingdom Postponed
no need for a future 1,000 years, since all PROMISED ARE FUILLED IN JESUS CHRIST.
Apostle's Creed
I believe in God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth. And in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, and born of the virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried. He descended into hell. On the third day He rose again from the dead. He ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty. From thence He will come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy Christian church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen.no futurist program.
SLAM DUNK ON AMILLENNIALISM.
now can we move on to Cessationism?
and : are we Reformed?
Sola Scriptura - Scripture Alone
Solus Christus - Christ Alone
Sola Gratia - Grace Alone
Sola Fide - Faith Alone
Soli Deo Gloria - The Glory of God Alone
Unwarranted confidence in human ability is a product of fallen human nature ... God's grace in Christ is not merely necessary but is the sole efficient cause of salvation. We confess that human beings are born spiritually dead and are incapable even of cooperating with regenerating grace. We reaffirm that in salvation we are rescued from God's wrath by his grace alone. It is the supernatural work of the Holy Spirit that brings us to Christ by releasing us from our bondage to sin and raising us from spiritual death to spiritual life. We deny that salvation is in any sense a human work. Human methods, techniques or strategies by themselves cannot accomplish this transformation. Faith is not produced by our unregenerated human nature. - Cambridge Declaration
now can we move on to Cessationism?
and : are we Reformed?
Sola Scriptura - Scripture Alone
Solus Christus - Christ Alone
Sola Gratia - Grace Alone
Sola Fide - Faith Alone
Soli Deo Gloria - The Glory of God Alone
Unwarranted confidence in human ability is a product of fallen human nature ... God's grace in Christ is not merely necessary but is the sole efficient cause of salvation. We confess that human beings are born spiritually dead and are incapable even of cooperating with regenerating grace. We reaffirm that in salvation we are rescued from God's wrath by his grace alone. It is the supernatural work of the Holy Spirit that brings us to Christ by releasing us from our bondage to sin and raising us from spiritual death to spiritual life. We deny that salvation is in any sense a human work. Human methods, techniques or strategies by themselves cannot accomplish this transformation. Faith is not produced by our unregenerated human nature. - Cambridge Declaration