Amillennialists...Here's a chance to state your case.
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Dr. David L. Cooper
A. SEEK THE PLAIN, LITERAL MEANING OF THE SCRIPTURES
1. The sum and substance of this most important rule is that one should take every statement of the Scriptures at its face value, if possible.
2. The following is an analysis of the adjectives "primary," "ordinary," and "usual."
3. "Primary" emphasizes the original, inherent idea in the term.
4. "Ordinary" and "usual" are practically synonyms, especially in this definition, "usual" being employed for the sake of emphasis.
5. "Literal" is used to emphasize the thought that every word must first be taken literally as expressing the exact thought of the author at the time when it was used; and one is not to go beyond the literal meaning of the Scriptures unless the facts of the context indicate a deeper, hidden or symbolic meaning.
B. SEEK THE FIGURATIVE MEANING ONLY WHEN THE FACTS
DEMAND SUCH AN INTERPRETATION
1. Modernism and rationalism are the logical outgrowth of forcing a figurative meaning upon a passage that is clearly literal, or vice versa.
C. STUDY EVERY STATEMENT OF THE SCRIPTURES IN CONTEXT
("A TEXT APART FROM ITS CONTEXT IS A PRETEXT")
Then study the facts of the context in the light of related passages and axiomatic fundamental truths. No prophecy of scripture is of private (special) interpretation (II Peter 1:20); The sum of thy word is truth (Psalm 119:160).
http://www.messianicassociation.org/ezine19-dc.hermeneutics.htm
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Not, one verse in the entire bible that supports that kind of interpretation idea.
It reminded me of the fall no spiritual understanding .
Genesis3: 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
I have not found that prescription for rightly dividing the signified language of God .Its the prescription for the literalizer who invented dispensations to help keep things literal (walk by sight)
Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
If we would simple literalize everything then we could never find the spiritual meaning purposely hid like the pearl of great price in parable.
Without parables Christ spoke not .He has given on His 20/20 prescription so that we can find the spiritual meaning using the things seen the temporal .
Good example is when you see a word like "key" (the temporal literal ) . when using the prescribed hermeneutics we know it represents the gospel it has the power to unlock the gates of hell .Gates are used to represent the binds as if with a literal chain and a bottom less pit used to represent no end to the binding. The parble in Revelation 20 is filled with metaphors used to give us the signified language of God
Some of the tools below he has given us for rightly dividing parables so that we can find the signified spiritual understanding begin with the foundation of hermeneutics revel the unseen things of God the eternal, the faith principle..
2 Corinthians 4:1While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Matthew 13:34All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
Mark 4:11And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
It reminded me of the fall no spiritual understanding .
Genesis3: 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
I have not found that prescription for rightly dividing the signified language of God .Its the prescription for the literalizer who invented dispensations to help keep things literal (walk by sight)
Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
If we would simple literalize everything then we could never find the spiritual meaning purposely hid like the pearl of great price in parable.
Without parables Christ spoke not .He has given on His 20/20 prescription so that we can find the spiritual meaning using the things seen the temporal .
Good example is when you see a word like "key" (the temporal literal ) . when using the prescribed hermeneutics we know it represents the gospel it has the power to unlock the gates of hell .Gates are used to represent the binds as if with a literal chain and a bottom less pit used to represent no end to the binding. The parble in Revelation 20 is filled with metaphors used to give us the signified language of God
Some of the tools below he has given us for rightly dividing parables so that we can find the signified spiritual understanding begin with the foundation of hermeneutics revel the unseen things of God the eternal, the faith principle..
2 Corinthians 4:1While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Matthew 13:34All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
Mark 4:11And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
I'm a John 19 Dispy...
John 19:34 NKJV
[34] But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out.
Acts 20:28 KJV
[28] Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
John 19:34 NKJV
[34] But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out.
Acts 20:28 KJV
[28] Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
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Read it again, that is when the Church was purchased, the same one Jesus said He would build.
Matthew 16:18 KJV
[18] And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
I don't ascribe to Scofieldism if that is what you mean by Dispensational theology, rather my literal interpretation leads me to see a distinction between God's dealings with the Church and Israel.
Matthew 16:18 KJV
[18] And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
I don't ascribe to Scofieldism if that is what you mean by Dispensational theology, rather my literal interpretation leads me to see a distinction between God's dealings with the Church and Israel.
One key difference in CT and dispy is that the latter take the bible at its literal meaning, taking note of context, while the former tend to allegorize scripture. So for example, when we encounter a passage like Hebrews 11:31
By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
Dispy would interpret that as Rahab did not perish because she showed her faith by receiving the spies with peace.
While CTs would say, that Rahab, like us, put her faith in Jesus's dbr, and she did not perish because of that.
By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
Dispy would interpret that as Rahab did not perish because she showed her faith by receiving the spies with peace.
While CTs would say, that Rahab, like us, put her faith in Jesus's dbr, and she did not perish because of that.
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Do those represent literal things, or do they represent symbolic things?
See thats the problem. You buddy said they represent symbolic things. Thats where the issue falls.
The 4 gentile kingdoms were called beasts. But they were literal kingdoms were they not? (Even nebachadnezzar was told he was the head of Gold)
The bones, whihc were dead and scattered all over the world. They were symbolic.
But what do they represent? A symbolic meaning like a parable (symbolic)
Or a literal people who are brought back to life and restored? (Literal)
See thats the problem. You buddy said they represent symbolic things. Thats where the issue falls.
The 4 gentile kingdoms were called beasts. But they were literal kingdoms were they not? (Even nebachadnezzar was told he was the head of Gold)
The bones, whihc were dead and scattered all over the world. They were symbolic.
But what do they represent? A symbolic meaning like a parable (symbolic)
Or a literal people who are brought back to life and restored? (Literal)
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Ok, for salvation yes
What about the land promise
You people keep ignoring the land promise
The church was NOT promised anything concerning that particular part of the covenant. Why do you CONTINUE to say they have??
And why do we not live in peace in jerusalem as the promise stated we would if we followed God?
What about the land promise
You people keep ignoring the land promise
The church was NOT promised anything concerning that particular part of the covenant. Why do you CONTINUE to say they have??
And why do we not live in peace in jerusalem as the promise stated we would if we followed God?
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Um like what problems?
Taking a symbolic approach allows people to interpret the bible any way they please. Is this not more problematic?
Like when the bible says Jesus will rule with a rod of iron, and punish NATIONS who do not come worship him once a year.
Is it not problematic to take that symbolically to mean anything we desire it to mean?
Is it not better to realise. These events will literally take place? I means, then there is no confusion is there?
How can prophesy sustain itself and its reason (to prove God is the one true God) if it can be interpreted any old way. And in a way whcih can not be PROVEN to be the correct interpretation?
It can’t, it will crash and burn, and God will not be glorified, he will be laughed at.
Taking a symbolic approach allows people to interpret the bible any way they please. Is this not more problematic?
Like when the bible says Jesus will rule with a rod of iron, and punish NATIONS who do not come worship him once a year.
Is it not problematic to take that symbolically to mean anything we desire it to mean?
Is it not better to realise. These events will literally take place? I means, then there is no confusion is there?
How can prophesy sustain itself and its reason (to prove God is the one true God) if it can be interpreted any old way. And in a way whcih can not be PROVEN to be the correct interpretation?
It can’t, it will crash and burn, and God will not be glorified, he will be laughed at.
doing my research......
