An Analysis on the 144,000 in Revelation

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At the time? What are you? A time traveler? Go find somebody else to play your word games. I'm not interested at V card and I've never intended to go there.
Check your double talk out;
Here is your quote;
"""Semantics matter in this case, because in the time of Christ, only those from the southern kingdom of Judah were Jews, the ten tribes from the northern kingdom had never been Jews to begin with."""

Then you call me a time traveler for doing what you do.

SMH.
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- First thing first, this might be a shocker even a heresy to a lot of y'all folks here, but these 144,000 are the TRUE Bride of Christ, the saints of all saints, not the "Universal Church throughout all ages" as most Christians believe. They'll be SEALED with the Seal of God on their forehead - during the Great Tribulation at Seal 6, not before or after.

- The good news is, "Universal Church" is not out of the picture. Right after the announcement of the 144,000 John saw a "Great Multitude" of all tribes, tongues and nations in Rev. 7:9. That's us. We're the wedding guests from the byways and highways, the ten virgins, the three servants and the laborers in the vineyard. In Zechariah 8:23 it says, "This is what the Lord Almighty says: “In those days ten people from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you!" Whereas 144,000 is a definitive number, that "ten" is a figurative one for the innumerable Great Multitude. Ten is the lowest legitimate number of righteous men in Abraham's negotiation with God for some mercy on Sodom.

- 12,000 from each tribe of the 144,000 is NOT pointing to just literal, ethnic Jews. By the Bible's own historic record, the definition of Jew is a citizen of the southern kingdom of Judah, which was consisted of the Tribes of Judah and Benjamin plus a few Levites. That's just two tribes, not 12. And since 70AD, they were dispersed into all nations on earth, and Judaism became a religion that went far beyond pedigree, anybody of any ancestry converted into Judaism is considered a Jew. Former first daughter Ivanka and her children are considered Jews through her marriage with Jared. There're also a lot of fake Jews like comrade Bernie Sanders from the synagogue of Satan whom Jesus specifically warned about, they claim to be Jews only to play identity politics. Those name tags of the 12 tribes may be indicators of characters based on Jacob’s last words for his sons in Gen. 49, and at least 12,000 men among the 144,000 could be real ethnical Jews with verifiable genetic records, but by no means will all of them be pious Jewish saints as many pastors and theologians assumed.

- So who exactly are they, what do they do and why are they singled out? The answer is back in the Torah. Those 144,000 as a whole are the Levites of God's people. Not just the 12,000 Levites, but all 144,000. Levi was the tribe of Moses and Aaron, they were separated from the rest of the camp of Israel, set apart to do a holy work for the Lord in the tabernacle. Each of the other eleven tribes received a piece of land as their territory, but not Levi, for God was their portion. Levites were scattered in all those territories as priests. That's the antetype of the 144,000.

- In the last days, these 144,000 will rise up and proclaim the kingdom of God, and all the rest of the church will heed their call and follow their lead, including many who have "fallen away" in 2 Thess. 2:3. They as the first fruit will be presented before God. Interestingly, John heard about them in Seal 6, but he didn't see them, until later in chapter 14:

Revelation 14:1-5 ...'And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no deceit: for they are without fault before the throne of God'

By then they're not in earthly Jerusalem, but HEAVENLY Jerusalem. And here're some other key verses about them:

Hebrews 12:22-24 ...'But ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels. To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant.'

Zephaniah 3:13 ...'The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid.' -

Notice they have two critical qualifications: They were virgin not defiled by women; In their mouth was found no deceit. To understand this, you must purge the social stigma wrapped around the words "virgin" and "deceit" from your mind and cling to their biblical definitions, because both are spiritual conditions. "Women" are not literal women, but false religions, those are the offsprings of Babylon the Great Harlot; "Deceit" is not any kind of lies, not even gaslighting from the fake news, but false doctrines from any demonic sources like Jesuit. In the midst of all rising false prophets, when the entire world is deceived and worshiping the Beast, they’re the ones who’ll hold and preach the truth!

- And last, don’t expect them to rise among the pastors, rabbis, experts or any celebrities. When that day comes, they’ll be like Peter denying the Lord three times with no remorse. God will pour out His Spirit on a bunch of nobodies out of nowhere to accomplish His holy purpose. Those who are exalted will be humbled, those who are humbled will be exalted. The first will be last, and the last will be first.
OK HERE WE GO...right into the belly of the beast;
The good news is, "Universal Church" is not out of the picture. Right after the announcement of the 144,000 John saw a "Great Multitude" of all tribes, tongues and nations in Rev. 7:9. That's us. We're the wedding guests from the byways and highways,
Nope,Nope,Nope.
The bride is gentile as depicted in Ruth.
Romans has us, the bride of Christ grafted in, with Israel CUT OFF...to be REGRAFTED IN LATER ....THROUGH the 144k.!!!!
THAT IS WHY THEY ARE FIRSTFRUITS!!!
You can not possibly understand the gentile bride dynamic outside of the book of Ruth.
Ruth is the GENTILE BRIDE.
Naomi restored
Ruth the bride.

Naomi is PURCHASED BACK. HER LAND REDEEMED.
The Jew is the wayward wife.
She gets restored.
The church is mainly gentile and a,NEW ENTRY...A NEW DYMAMIC.

No wonder your thinking is all over the place.
You left stuff out of the mix big time.

Rev 5 is the kinsman redeemer tying EVERYTHING of the book of Ruth to eschatology.

Ruth is the key to revelation.

Nobody here is tying in the heart of the book.

It litterally becomes some abstract without pairing Ruth with revelation.
 
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lol.. Anyone who lived in the southern kingdom. No matter what tribe they belonged to. Would be called a jew.

Your right, a tree is known by their fruits. But this conversation is not about that, It is about who are the 144000
Not the Ten Lost tribes. Ephraim became a "multitude of nations," (Gen 48:19) and his descendants did by being assimilated into the gentile nations.
 
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OK HERE WE GO...right into the belly of the beast;


Nope,Nope,Nope.
The bride is gentile as depicted in Ruth.
Romans has us, the bride of Christ grafted in, with Israel CUT OFF...to be REGRAFTED IN LATER ....THROUGH the 144k.!!!!
THAT IS WHY THEY ARE FIRSTFRUITS!!!
You can not possibly understand the gentile bride dynamic outside of the book of Ruth.
Ruth is the GENTILE BRIDE.
Naomi restored
Ruth the bride.

Naomi is PURCHASED BACK. HER LAND REDEEMED.
The Jew is the wayward wife.
She gets restored.
The church is mainly gentile and a,NEW ENTRY...A NEW DYMAMIC.

No wonder your thinking is all over the place.
You left stuff out of the mix big time.

Rev 5 is the kinsman redeemer tying EVERYTHING of the book of Ruth to eschatology.

Ruth is the key to revelation.

Nobody here is tying in the heart of the book.

It litterally becomes some abstract without pairing Ruth with revelation.
Go home and pray for your rapture, friend.
 
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Go home and pray for your rapture, friend.
Any depth at all is your fear for some strange reason.
Ruth, a critical component, is nastily shoved off the table and stomped.
No hunger or passion in your sterile workbook method
 
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They have not come out of the assyria to this day.

Only the southern land was returned. After they were exiled to babylon.
They were scattered throughout the whole world. I would say the majority of them left. And we know about this truth because of the PUNISHMENT and the time their captivity began and when a 'NATION' became a nation those 2250 years later. It is also documented in profane history.
 
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He asked you specifically about them being missionaries.​

Answer it directly.

Lol
You cant, so you go on these little trails to cover your blunder.
He mentioned the Levite's in the OT as a prelude to the 144,000.Which is like one of the best examples of scripture when studying the 144,000.And even the Two Witnesse's.They carry the Ark of the Covenant which contains the book of the Law,across the Jordan and into the promise land.Remember that the Levite's served God in the temple and were teachers of the Law.Pretty symbolic stuff.
 
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- First thing first, this might be a shocker even a heresy to a lot of y'all folks here, but these 144,000 are the TRUE Bride of Christ, the saints of all saints, not the "Universal Church throughout all ages" as most Christians believe. They'll be SEALED with the Seal of God on their forehead - during the Great Tribulation at Seal 6, not before or after.

- The good news is, "Universal Church" is not out of the picture. Right after the announcement of the 144,000 John saw a "Great Multitude" of all tribes, tongues and nations in Rev. 7:9. That's us. We're the wedding guests from the byways and highways, the ten virgins, the three servants and the laborers in the vineyard. In Zechariah 8:23 it says, "This is what the Lord Almighty says: “In those days ten people from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you!" Whereas 144,000 is a definitive number, that "ten" is a figurative one for the innumerable Great Multitude. Ten is the lowest legitimate number of righteous men in Abraham's negotiation with God for some mercy on Sodom.

- 12,000 from each tribe of the 144,000 is NOT pointing to just literal, ethnic Jews. By the Bible's own historic record, the definition of Jew is a citizen of the southern kingdom of Judah, which was consisted of the Tribes of Judah and Benjamin plus a few Levites. That's just two tribes, not 12. And since 70AD, they were dispersed into all nations on earth, and Judaism became a religion that went far beyond pedigree, anybody of any ancestry converted into Judaism is considered a Jew. Former first daughter Ivanka and her children are considered Jews through her marriage with Jared. There're also a lot of fake Jews like comrade Bernie Sanders from the synagogue of Satan whom Jesus specifically warned about, they claim to be Jews only to play identity politics. Those name tags of the 12 tribes may be indicators of characters based on Jacob’s last words for his sons in Gen. 49, and at least 12,000 men among the 144,000 could be real ethnical Jews with verifiable genetic records, but by no means will all of them be pious Jewish saints as many pastors and theologians assumed.

- So who exactly are they, what do they do and why are they singled out? The answer is back in the Torah. Those 144,000 as a whole are the Levites of God's people. Not just the 12,000 Levites, but all 144,000. Levi was the tribe of Moses and Aaron, they were separated from the rest of the camp of Israel, set apart to do a holy work for the Lord in the tabernacle. Each of the other eleven tribes received a piece of land as their territory, but not Levi, for God was their portion. Levites were scattered in all those territories as priests. That's the antetype of the 144,000.

- In the last days, these 144,000 will rise up and proclaim the kingdom of God, and all the rest of the church will heed their call and follow their lead, including many who have "fallen away" in 2 Thess. 2:3. They as the first fruit will be presented before God. Interestingly, John heard about them in Seal 6, but he didn't see them, until later in chapter 14:

Revelation 14:1-5 ...'And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no deceit: for they are without fault before the throne of God'

By then they're not in earthly Jerusalem, but HEAVENLY Jerusalem. And here're some other key verses about them:

Hebrews 12:22-24 ...'But ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels. To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant.'

Zephaniah 3:13 ...'The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid.' -

Notice they have two critical qualifications: They were virgin not defiled by women; In their mouth was found no deceit. To understand this, you must purge the social stigma wrapped around the words "virgin" and "deceit" from your mind and cling to their biblical definitions, because both are spiritual conditions. "Women" are not literal women, but false religions, those are the offsprings of Babylon the Great Harlot; "Deceit" is not any kind of lies, not even gaslighting from the fake news, but false doctrines from any demonic sources like Jesuit. In the midst of all rising false prophets, when the entire world is deceived and worshiping the Beast, they’re the ones who’ll hold and preach the truth!

- And last, don’t expect them to rise among the pastors, rabbis, experts or any celebrities. When that day comes, they’ll be like Peter denying the Lord three times with no remorse. God will pour out His Spirit on a bunch of nobodies out of nowhere to accomplish His holy purpose. Those who are exalted will be humbled, those who are humbled will be exalted. The first will be last, and the last will be first.
Beautiful Post!! Yes these are the Elect or Chosen of God for many are called but few are chosen the chosen make themselves worthy of the lamb to become one with Jesus at the marriage supper of the Lamb! on the earth they will give the testimony of Jesus as the two witnesses the same are also the 144000, Representing the holy ones that God has chosen both Jew and gentile male and female black and white of all races, using that symbolic number 12 for the authority and anointing of the apostles having their place in Heaven judging the 12 Tribes. They will Be given power to do great works in the earth Before they are resurrected in the first resurrection and after they are caught up to the throne at the First and more blessed Resurrection, they become like the angels and one with Jesus. At the marriage supper of the Lamb Jesus will appoint to each the Works and position they will have in the kingdom of heaven as this will be their rewards. then Jesus will take his saints back to earth with him to rule and reign and set up the Kingdom!!
 

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Not the Ten Lost tribes.
Ephraim became a "multitude of nations," (Gen 48:19) and his descendants did by being assimilated into the gentile nations.
lol. This does not mean that a descendent of this person did not stay with God.. Look at the history of Israel.

God promised a remnant. He promised these people a promise.. He keeps his promises.

I do not need to know who it is. God does.. Let just let God figure out who they are.
 

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They were scattered throughout the whole world. I would say the majority of them left. And we know about this truth because of the PUNISHMENT and the time their captivity began and when a 'NATION' became a nation those 2250 years later. It is also documented in profane history.
sorry brother. I am not understanding what you are trying to say.
 
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But it will be literal bloodline Jews.
2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
Has anyone experienced a sealing in their forehead? I have!
 
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Idk what do you mean?
You would know what I mean if you had that experience. All I can say is that it’s true that God will send his Angels to put a seal on the forehead of these 144,000 I had this experience about 15 years ago it’s written in a journal Along with so many other experiences I’ve had with the Lord. But I’ve not met anyone who had this same experience as of yet....I can say That after the Holy Spirit made it plain to me what had taken place I almost fell off my chair in Awe of the lord and humility. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
 
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This is all you have?

If it is the church, You don;t have to say 12000 from all different tribes

You just say there is 144000 who will be sealed. and do not mentione 12 tribes at all.
The LORD knows exactly what HE said of the 144k and those who know Him and Know the Scriptures know what it means.

HE specifically spoke in parables, symbolism and code that requires understanding through the Spirit and the Scriptures.
 
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So there is a pre-trib rapture bibe?



Saying we should look in a non existent bible and mocking another belief system is not being humble it is being arrogant.

You need to look in the mirror my friend
Pre-trib rapture never came out of the Mouth of God.
Always remember that the Word says = "no lie comes from the truth."
 
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The LORD knows exactly what HE said of the 144k and those who know Him and Know the Scriptures know what it means.

HE specifically spoke in parables and code that requires understanding through the Spirit and the Scriptures.
Yes just as Jesus spoke plainly to his “Chosen” Disciples He will make things plain to these...many will wish to hear and know by the spirit the mysteries as they do
 

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Who are the 144,000?
Scripture tells us.
Revelation 7:4 (ESV)
4 And I heard the number of the sealed, 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:
So the 144,000 can only be from the tribes of Israel.
Right.

The 144,000 (from ONE NATION), in vv.3-8, are set in contradistinction to the "a great multitude... of all the nationS [PLURAL]" in vv.9-17 "coming out of the GREAT tribulation" (i.e. out of the second half of the future "7 yr period')...

... who are the SAME "all the nations [plural]" to whom Matt24:14 / 26:13 WILL BE being preached (that is, to same "nations [plural]," same "future" time-period... i.e. during the "IN THE NIGHT" time-period commonly called the tribulation period... a specific, "future," LIMITED time-period leading UP TO Christ's Second Coming to the earth Rev19;

these "nations [plural]" are those whom Scripture informs of as "those [plural] HAVING BEEN INVITED" [TO the wedding / marriage FEAST / SUPPER of the Lamb (aka the EARTHLY MK age)]... distinct from "the MARRIAGE" itself [pertaining to "the Bride / Wife [SINGULAR]" alone, and which "marriage" will have already taken place by this Rev19 point in time, when He's getting ready to "RETURN" to the earth]; the "guestS [plural]" themselves are still located on the earth upon His "RETURN" there, they never LIFT OFF the earth [and never were promised such]... nor do the "10 [or 5] VirginS [PLURAL]" whom He ALSO is NOT "MARRYING";) )
 
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sorry brother. I am not understanding what you are trying to say.
Leviticus 26 - seven times punishment to be removed from THEIR LAND and scattered among the heathen. The Assyrians didn't take all the tribes at once but more one at a time. In the order they were taken, 2520 years later 'nations' came into being. If you take 1776 and subtract 2520 you will find the nation that went into captivity that year (7 times 360)

Judah went into Babylonian captivity and 2520 years later Israel became a nation again. Just like GOD SAID and it is written.
 

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Has anyone experienced a sealing in their forehead? I have!
I can say That after the Holy Spirit made it plain to me what had taken place I almost fell off my chair in Awe of the lord and humility.
All I can say is that it’s true that God will send his Angels to put a seal on the forehead of these 144,000 I had this experience about 15 years ago it’s written in a journal Along with so many other experiences I’ve had with the Lord. But I’ve not met anyone who had this same experience as of yet
So the question @kleronomos - did you almost fall off your chair also?
 
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