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And that is where we make the mistake. We uphold law rather than grace. The believer has already died and been raised a new creation IN Christ. We are no longer to be afraid of the sting of death. 1 Cor.15:55 Oh death, where is your victory? O death where is your sting?" We have to look at this as the redeemed of the Lord. Your still looking at this as you do., you get. Grace is something we have been given and our life is no more like the unsaved. Sin has been taken care of. We are dealing with grace and truth.
When we die physically we will not experience death like an unbeliever. We have already died and our life is hid in Christ. We do not have to fear death. How great is that??!!!! It's like we can get bitten by a bee but without the sting., who cares! Death has no teeth. That is the Christian's victory through Christ. So much more to redemption than we know and have yet to learn. Even the angels seek to look into this subject.
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I honestly used to think that way too Is., But we Christians are ALWAYS assuming that as born again believers., our intentions are to find a way to sin., even to use predestination and grace to get around doing God's will. Not so!!. Grace teaches us how to NOT sin and Jesus gave us a new heart that desires after Him. Religion again teaches us to look to self and not to the power of the cross in redemption.
IT'S AN EPIDEMIC!!!!! The church has the law so deeply entrenched how shall we escape?? The Bible says we will be transformed by the renewing of our minds as we read His Word and repent of our old thoughts about God.
I look at so many of the threads here on CC and it's 9Xs out of 10 talking about God's judgment against the believer. How even a preacher is going to have condemnation and judgment against him more so than others. But they forget to see there is therefore NOW NO condemnation. That when we stand before God, we will either lose the rewards or get them. We will NOT stand before God to be JUDGED.
Jesus paid for all God's judgement on us. It is done., finished. We are to rest in the finished work of Christ. It is our joy to walk In Him. We don't try to find ways out of it.
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Yikes., I see EVERY REASON to conclude that they were NOT Christians. The branch that doesn't bear fruit is pruned and the works that are of no use are burned, not the believer. It's the believers works done in his own flesh that are burned. How vital it is for us believers to know this! God is not going to destroy the body to preserve the soul., The believer is already passed from death unto life. He is not going to lose his soul. Jesus paid for it already and he is not to consider himself to take on Jesus finished work. That is the danger., to walk out our Christian life as if we are saving ourselves.
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Well, I have a different take on it than all of you. First, I see no place where it is said that God killed Ananias and Sapphira. I see where they were caught red handed in a lie and simply dropped dead. My guess would be a heart attack. Do we say about everyone who dies that God killed them?
Second, the communion deal, nowhere does it say that God killed or made sick anyone for taking of the cup unworthily. They were gorging themselves on food and drinking to excess. Which explains some getting sick and some falling asleep. Sometimes sleep actually just means sleep.
Second, the communion deal, nowhere does it say that God killed or made sick anyone for taking of the cup unworthily. They were gorging themselves on food and drinking to excess. Which explains some getting sick and some falling asleep. Sometimes sleep actually just means sleep.
The problem with that is that you would have to explain both Ananias and Sapphira dropping dead on queue. Regarding Sapphira Peter said, "The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also." That would be foreknowing of Sapphira's death. The odds of both Ananias and Sapphira to die of natural causes, in relation to what they had done, would be astronomical! Undoubtedly their deaths would have had to have been caused by God. Also, the mention of "some of them falling asleep" is referring to death and not natural sleep. The other words in the context "weak and sick" would support the meaning of them falling asleep as meaning that they had died.
Ya, Moses could not see past the past. He 'believed' that was what he had to do. It makes you wonder about the times now. When are we just going to 'speak to the rock?' Instead, the mountain of rocks that we are trying to remove, we are trying to blast through because we do not see any other way.
Ya, Moses was first told to 'strike the rock' and water would come. And so he did and he got water. The LORD God then told Moses to 'speak to the rock.' Why? Was that a test for Moses? Or was that a test for us now? What was water then is everything that gives you life now. What were the Israelites complaining about to Moses? 'Moses, did you lead us out here into the desert so we could thirst and starve to death?' That was what kept them alive then, food and water.
Now in the present time, we have houses, clothes, jobs, cars, washing machines, and on and on. We are not worried about food and water. But, we are slowly learning through prayer that things happen that make our lives more comfortable. Some are more comfortable than others and you are made to believe that because of their prayer-life they have more. And certainly in some cases that is true, but it is more the love of others and their abilities to supply your needs.
Ya, Moses was first told to 'strike the rock' and water would come. And so he did and he got water. The LORD God then told Moses to 'speak to the rock.' Why? Was that a test for Moses? Or was that a test for us now? What was water then is everything that gives you life now. What were the Israelites complaining about to Moses? 'Moses, did you lead us out here into the desert so we could thirst and starve to death?' That was what kept them alive then, food and water.
Now in the present time, we have houses, clothes, jobs, cars, washing machines, and on and on. We are not worried about food and water. But, we are slowly learning through prayer that things happen that make our lives more comfortable. Some are more comfortable than others and you are made to believe that because of their prayer-life they have more. And certainly in some cases that is true, but it is more the love of others and their abilities to supply your needs.
But, the story about Ananias and Sapphira is like an opposite. The LORD God struck them down because they withheld some proceeds from the sale of their estate. It was like, they held back some of the water. The people of the Lord were putting all things together and selling all things and helping each other live. That is just like all of that financial turmoil that the United States went through after the attack on 9-11. All of the Ananias' and Sapphiras' gave up the ghost. Maybe some people will understand that.
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The scriptures do not say that God killed them. I don't know exactly how they died except that it is clear that lying to the Holy Spirit killed them.
Personally, I think it was a case of the reaper overtaking the sower. I think that because of the time and anointing they sowed sin and reaped death. It was just instant in this case.
To me saying that God killed them is like saying the train conductor killed the folks who ran in front of the train. I think the anointing of that particular time and place allowed instant harvest but that's just my opinion.
There is really no need for any of us to argue the point as all the scriptures tell us is that they lied and because of it they died.
Personally, I think it was a case of the reaper overtaking the sower. I think that because of the time and anointing they sowed sin and reaped death. It was just instant in this case.
To me saying that God killed them is like saying the train conductor killed the folks who ran in front of the train. I think the anointing of that particular time and place allowed instant harvest but that's just my opinion.
There is really no need for any of us to argue the point as all the scriptures tell us is that they lied and because of it they died.
