And the SMOKE of their torment...No eternal damnation for anyone, except the Devil
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Also let’s be clear about something. When John 3:16 says that those who don’t believe will perish, it isn’t just talking about just their bodies but their soul as well.
Even those who believe in the Son of God die a bodily death, so John 3:16 isn’t saying that non-believers will experience only a natural death since a natural death is true for everyone; everyone’s physical body perishes.
Even those who believe in the Son of God die a bodily death, so John 3:16 isn’t saying that non-believers will experience only a natural death since a natural death is true for everyone; everyone’s physical body perishes.
Correct, but perishing does not annihilation. It simply existing without purpose and without healing or ever having hope of being restored. It means carrying all sinful and destructive baggage that will compound on an ongoing increase of self-inflicting spiritual deterioration that will never end.
God does not torture anyone. The eternal suffering means coming to terms with carnal self that cannot heal itself. The final rejection of Christ brings self condemnation.
We need help from the Lord at all times for without Him we are totally lost.
God does not torture anyone. The eternal suffering means coming to terms with carnal self that cannot heal itself. The final rejection of Christ brings self condemnation.
We need help from the Lord at all times for without Him we are totally lost.
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I don't know anything about Calvinism, and I'm not a Calvinist. Your own version is truely Calvinism.
What I'm saying is that God can save unbeliever, I don't know how God does it.Whether it's through persuasion or what, I don't know at all, I just know the result.
It's not like that I still have five brothers in the Bible.
Why do I have to disagree with what the Bible says? You can choose not to believe it, or you can reserve judgment. I'm just saying what I know.
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that he gave His only Begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Could you consider adding what I have said to the matter of believing him?
You can take your time and test whether this is a "revelation or reveal" from God. I don't expect you to accept it right away, and I didn't accept it all at once.
Hope make sense.
What I'm saying is that God can save unbeliever, I don't know how God does it.Whether it's through persuasion or what, I don't know at all, I just know the result.
It's not like that I still have five brothers in the Bible.
Why do I have to disagree with what the Bible says? You can choose not to believe it, or you can reserve judgment. I'm just saying what I know.
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that he gave His only Begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Could you consider adding what I have said to the matter of believing him?
You can take your time and test whether this is a "revelation or reveal" from God. I don't expect you to accept it right away, and I didn't accept it all at once.
Hope make sense.
Bro, I hope you believe in him,
But lest you become, Lord, Lord, do I not preach in your name and cast out demons in your name? Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, I do not know you.
Jesus is the key of life. When the door is opened, no one can close it.
If it's closed, it won't open.
You embrace the idea of old wine, this is new wine.
You are not saved only by believing in the name of Jesus, But to believe him and obey him.
This is not a wide door for those who already know Jesus.This is actually a narrow door.
If you don't open minded level.
You can't get through this narrow door.
People used to believe in Jesus, believing in his name to be saved,Now believe in Jesus and believe that He can save those who do not believe.
Matthew 24:13
But he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
But lest you become, Lord, Lord, do I not preach in your name and cast out demons in your name? Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, I do not know you.
Jesus is the key of life. When the door is opened, no one can close it.
If it's closed, it won't open.
You embrace the idea of old wine, this is new wine.
You are not saved only by believing in the name of Jesus, But to believe him and obey him.
This is not a wide door for those who already know Jesus.This is actually a narrow door.
If you don't open minded level.
You can't get through this narrow door.
People used to believe in Jesus, believing in his name to be saved,Now believe in Jesus and believe that He can save those who do not believe.
Matthew 24:13
But he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
If someone exists eternally then they didn't perish, they didn't die, and they weren't destroyed. That means you're applying a non-literal interpretation of what it means to perish, but when John 3:16 says those who believe will have eternal life, it's literal?
I believe eternal life is literal. To maintain consistency, I suggest the perishing in John 3:16 is literal too.
I believe eternal life is literal. To maintain consistency, I suggest the perishing in John 3:16 is literal too.