if by emotional you mean happy then yes.
No, I didn't mean that. And you know that. I mean your hyper emotional sentiments about human being being tormented for ever and ever, even though they themselves HAVE NO EXCUSE for ending up in the LOF. They have either no interest in Creator God, or they simply settled for a cheap substitute. And so God gives them what they want. You guys think ECT is CRUEL, yet He is simply allowing them to make their own decisions.
You guys think ECT is CRUEL, yet that is the warning for those not interested in salvation, or simply don't believe what God says.
So, why all your hyper-emotionalism over people who are getting what they want; no relationship with God. And that is what they will get.
Knowing about you, though, I know you mean it despairingly.
I meant it truthfully. But you are free to twist what ever you want.
We also already established that this isn’t your your original thought. I discovered researching John Stott that a common tactic used in these sorts of debates is to demonize them as emotionally unstable.
You think I used something Stott claimed? I've never read him. And before you guys, I've never had a discussion about annihilationism.
You’ve often taken it a step further, referring to me and others as drunks.
I never did, and you know that full well. Just more lies.
I said:
"The Bible is clear; those who will be cast into the LOF wil be tormented for ever and ever. That includes ALL unbelievers and ALL fallen angels. A very big group."
That’s your imagination and false assumption. The Bible is not clear about that and it doesn’t exist in the Bible.
Rev 20:10 isn't an imagination or false assumption. The Bible IS CLEAR that those who will be thrown into the LOF will suffer a second death AND be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Your refusal to accept what the Bible says is astounding.
You’re not a good judge of character.
You don't anything about me other than my view of your doctrine of annihilation, which the Bible rejects.
You have no idea what bothers me
Oh, actually, I do. You have made it very clear from many of your posts. You are as easy to read as a book.
and I’d never confide in someone like you anyway.
You already have confided in me, and everyone else who follows this thread. You've given your opinions. That is confiding in.
How about you stay on topic.
Which is what I have been doing.
It doesn’t say their bodies are destroyed in the LOF either.
This is rich. Why would it "have to" say that. I think everyone (except you 2) KNOW that when a physical body is thrown into a lake of fire, the body WILL be utterly destroyed.
So that’s what we do now? We just isolate verses and ignore the rest of scripture?
So you really don't understand what isolating verses is about? It is about giving specific verses to clearly refute the false ideas of posters.
And to even suggest that isolating a verse and ignoring the rest of Scripture seems an admission on your part that some verses (isolated ones) contradict other verses. That is pure nonsense imho.
No verse can EVER contradict any other verse. So when someone quotes an "isolated verse" to you that "seems to" contradict any verse you have quoted, you need to very seriously think about that isolated verse. Then, you need to see if you can prove that it DOESN'T actually say or mean what the other poster says it means. That is called refutation.
If you can't do that, then you really really really need to look at your own verse and see if it really does say/mean what you thought it means.
You haven't come close to refuting any verse I've quoted. Basically, you just ignore them or claim they are "isolated verses", whatever that means. As if to imply they don't count.
Oh, but they DO COUNT. Every verse counts. But we need to understand every verse that we use for support. Do they really support what we claim? They either do or they don't.
By using the Berean study method, and seeing what the Bible says, and plugging in the claims of annihilationists, I am beyond confident that it is a false doctrine.
You would have to have a verse showing:
1. God actually destroying souls.
2. Scripture clearly indicating that the GWT crowd WON'T get what the beast and FP will get.
So far, you don't have anything.
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