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so abing...if you youre right this may be your chance to save me??? i dont want to condem people but i do want to serve god the right way.
So if you've done that they your fine. If you haven't accepted Jesus then PLEASE talk to me or somebody and get saved! God Bless!
first i want to say may God open your eyes. But we were created for His Good pleasure, in His likness and image. and we are not of this worldLuk 12:32"Do not fear, little flock, for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. Jhn 17:14I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
Jhn 17:15I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one
Jhn 17:16They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
Mat 6:19"Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; Mat 6:20but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. i think these scriptures here tell us what is really important as when Jesus said to not let are hearts be troubled in John 14 because He goes to prepare a place for us.
Jhn 14:1"Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me.
Jhn 14:2In My Father's house are many mansions; [fn] if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for youJhn 14:3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.Jhn 14:4And where I go you know, and the way you knowJhn 14:5Thomas said to Him, "Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?"Jhn 14:6Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Jhn 17:15I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one
Jhn 17:16They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
Mat 6:19"Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; Mat 6:20but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. i think these scriptures here tell us what is really important as when Jesus said to not let are hearts be troubled in John 14 because He goes to prepare a place for us.
Jhn 14:1"Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me.
Jhn 14:2In My Father's house are many mansions; [fn] if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for youJhn 14:3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.Jhn 14:4And where I go you know, and the way you knowJhn 14:5Thomas said to Him, "Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?"Jhn 14:6Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
If Jesus is your crucified and RISEN Lord you may call yourself a Christian... I dont think Jehovah's believe in the resurrection of Christ... correct me if i'm wrong. Jesus wasnt just a prophet, he is risen & if your translation of the Bible doesnt include this you need to question what you are reading & what you are taught and why the new world translation of the Bible is so different from the kjv, also why are there no accountable translators to the new world translation? I'm sorry I'm a little bit bitter towards the jehovahs witness church as i've seen them prey on lonely housewives, promote the breakdown of the family unit & totally and completely control individuals in their cult. Families get together to celebrate holidays, jehovahs promote the segregation of their members by not allowing them to attend "special" occasion functions. I truly do miss my family members who have been drawn into this toxic religious environment and lost their husbands as a DIRECT result of their membership in the church. Oh & yes... I call myself a Christian! Praise GOD FOR JESUS OUR RISEN LORD & SAVIOUR.
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ok to clarify...yes i am one of Jehovah's witnesses....yes i have been baptised...but i do not beleive that that means you are saved....yes i do use many versions of the bible,including the kjv...but prefer to use the nwt because it does not subtract gods name in favor of titles...and yes i am a sister not a brother...as a true christian i believe it has been commisioned to us to teach people the truth....because the truth really does set you free.As for me i do not claim to know everything...my knowledge is growing everyday....i believe i am serving god the right way.i have not always been one of jehovahs witnesses...but i have searched for god my whole life....i think im a fairly logical person...i like to see the facts...facts should be logical...the truth is logical....many religions i looked into really did not make sense...eg some of the points i have raised earlier....such as the trinity...shouldnt we not question our beliefs...and continually prove to ourselves that we do have the truth?the bible is my measuring rod...any time i am bothered by something i look to the scriptures...and it proves to me that yes i do have the truth...my question for you all is can you prove to yourselves that you have the truth?2cor13:5"Keep testing whether you are in the faith,keep proving what you yourselves are."
you must have been lead here for a reason, i don't sapport all the pagan holidays, but i see nothing wrong with celebrating the resurrection of Jesus Christ on on Easter, or celebrating the Birth of jesus on Christmas, or celebrating the birth of my children as each year God has blessed me with another year to share with them. These may be some things you might have to ask your self. Like what is wrong with celebrating the birth of a family memeber, or God giving them one more year and making a person feel speacial, what is wrong with that? I think there are alot of speacial times you could be missing out on.
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im sorry you feel that way imoss....yes there seems to be a few misconceptions about what Jehovahs witnesses believe...to start yes i truly do believe in jesus comming to the earth to teach .He was the great teacher...and he provided the ransom sacrifice so that we could have our sins forgiven.Did you have any specific holidays in mind that we do not celebrate?If you were talking about chistmas...well the reason behind that is scriptual and personal.Like i said i had always wanted a relationship with god even from a small child....but things like christmas confused me...i was roubled by the fact that there were so many things in the holiday of christmas which did not make sense...eg...christmas trees,santa clause...so on ....i remember making a nativity scene with my sister when we were little because i thought that it would be good to actually put the 'meaning' in what we were celebrating.as i grew up christmas meant less and less to be about the birth of jesus...and so i stopped celcbrating it.It wasn't until i was 20 and started looking into the bible that i realised that there are things about christmas that dont sit right ith the bible...such as the date 25 dec..The bible does not give a date as to when jesus was born.As a christian i would rather celebrate jesus life on earth by doing what is asked of us (ministry work,which is actually fulfillment of prophecy)Jehovahs witnesses see the time when jesus died and his resurection as the most important dates to be noted ,and this is comemorated every year...infact you will probably receive an invitation to a memorial service within the comming weeks as part of the world wide preaching work. you mentioned you have family members that are Jehovahs witnesses ...perhaps you could ask hem about one of our publications called "what does the bible really teach"It explains alot and has a appendix at the back which goes into a little more detail on things such as holidays ect.....i wont tell you how good i think it is...you read it and judge or yourself
im sorry you feel that way imoss....yes there seems to be a few misconceptions about what Jehovahs witnesses believe...to start yes i truly do believe in jesus comming to the earth to teach .He was the great teacher...and he provided the ransom sacrifice so that we could have our sins forgiven.Did you have any specific holidays in mind that we do not celebrate?If you were talking about chistmas...well the reason behind that is scriptual and personal.Like i said i had always wanted a relationship with god even from a small child....but things like christmas confused me...i was roubled by the fact that there were so many things in the holiday of christmas which did not make sense...eg...christmas trees,santa clause...so on ....i remember making a nativity scene with my sister when we were little because i thought that it would be good to actually put the 'meaning' in what we were celebrating.as i grew up christmas meant less and less to be about the birth of jesus...and so i stopped celcbrating it.It wasn't until i was 20 and started looking into the bible that i realised that there are things about christmas that dont sit right ith the bible...such as the date 25 dec..The bible does not give a date as to when jesus was born.As a christian i would rather celebrate jesus life on earth by doing what is asked of us (ministry work,which is actually fulfillment of prophecy)Jehovahs witnesses see the time when jesus died and his resurection as the most important dates to be noted ,and this is comemorated every year...infact you will probably receive an invitation to a memorial service within the comming weeks as part of the world wide preaching work. you mentioned you have family members that are Jehovahs witnesses ...perhaps you could ask hem about one of our publications called "what does the bible really teach"It explains alot and has a appendix at the back which goes into a little more detail on things such as holidays ect.....i wont tell you how good i think it is...you read it and judge or yourself
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OLIVE TREE32...in answer no i dont celebrate christmas for the reasons already stated...but yes we do celebrate easter...just not in the worldy commercial way (chocolate eggs,rabbitsect)we celebrate this very special day with a memorial service...whic is directed in the way jesus instructed at1cor11:22....and as mentioned you can find more information on this in the book "what does te bible really teach?"Birthdays...i am a mother too....and yes i am greatful for every day i get with them...their bithdays are a special time for me...it still amazes me how fast the years go by...mine are 6 and 9....and when it is their birthday i like to get out the family albums and look at the years gone by...sometimes we have a special dinner(for all to enjoy)but i do not include any pagan traditions such as the candles ,and i try not to make it a day about material possesions...so there are usually no presents...but i do like to give a card to let them know how much they are loved...and because sometimes its hard for little ones to understand why other kids get presents ad parties and they dont...we do have parties (kids parties)not birthday parties as such...but we do all the other fun things,games food ect.i try to keep my relationship with my children honest...is not that a quality we want them to cultivate?so i do ot lead them to believe in such things as santa clause or the easer bunny or even the tooth fairy for that matter...and i also try to explain why some people do...most people would agree that there is no harm in allowing our children to have these beliefs,they say its harmless fun...i usually use an illistratin of a really yummy chocolate cake....looks and smells delicious...but thni say would you still want to eat it if someone said there was dog poop in it?the answer would probably be no....xcept for my nine yearold who would probably ask"how much poop?"...but anyway the point i try to make with this illistration is that sometimes things seem really good...but when you find out that there is something hidden that is not very nice would you still want it...then i explain to them how there are many things in life that look harmless but sometimes they are from an unclean place and therefore we need to stay away from them.the scriptures tell us to hate what is bad and to stay away from the unclean things. i hope that answered some of your curiosity
OLIVE TREE32...in answer no i dont celebrate christmas for the reasons already stated...but yes we do celebrate easter...just not in the worldy commercial way (chocolate eggs,rabbitsect)we celebrate this very special day with a memorial service...whic is directed in the way jesus instructed at1cor11:22....and as mentioned you can find more information on this in the book "what does te bible really teach?"Birthdays...i am a mother too....and yes i am greatful for every day i get with them...their bithdays are a special time for me...it still amazes me how fast the years go by...mine are 6 and 9....and when it is their birthday i like to get out the family albums and look at the years gone by...sometimes we have a special dinner(for all to enjoy)but i do not include any pagan traditions such as the candles ,and i try not to make it a day about material possesions...so there are usually no presents...but i do like to give a card to let them know how much they are loved...and because sometimes its hard for little ones to understand why other kids get presents ad parties and they dont...we do have parties (kids parties)not birthday parties as such...but we do all the other fun things,games food ect.i try to keep my relationship with my children honest...is not that a quality we want them to cultivate?so i do ot lead them to believe in such things as santa clause or the easer bunny or even the tooth fairy for that matter...and i also try to explain why some people do...most people would agree that there is no harm in allowing our children to have these beliefs,they say its harmless fun...i usually use an illistratin of a really yummy chocolate cake....looks and smells delicious...but thni say would you still want to eat it if someone said there was dog poop in it?the answer would probably be no....xcept for my nine yearold who would probably ask"how much poop?"...but anyway the point i try to make with this illistration is that sometimes things seem really good...but when you find out that there is something hidden that is not very nice would you still want it...then i explain to them how there are many things in life that look harmless but sometimes they are from an unclean place and therefore we need to stay away from them.the scriptures tell us to hate what is bad and to stay away from the unclean things. i hope that answered some of your curiosity
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OLIVETREE32...you say in your profile that you love to give a witness and share the love of god ...that too is what i am doing....you said there is nothing pagen about baking a cake...to this i agree....but the use of candles on the cake is superstious in nature and just like you have stated that you no longer use santa or the easter buuny in worship ,obviously because you see there is no christian significance...the things i choose to omit from my worship is based on my decision to serve god in truth....i would rather have a clear conscience and miss a few holidays so to speak than to celebrate these occasions and later find out that it has offended our creator.but like i said it is a matter of conscience...and if your conscience sits ok with thats fine ...mine however did not and that is why i made the adjustments.
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Kselby, I really think you just need to relax a little. Candles are not superstitious in nature. Just because they were once used in pagan rituals (and paganism itself is not an evil religion as many think, but that's a different discussion) obviously does not mean that you are using them that way.
Furthermore, you insult God by assuming that he would punish you for something silly like putting candles on a cake. God's love is greater than any of us can ever imagine. Do you think as you pass away and face judgment (if you believe in that) that God will look at your life and say, "You put candles on your cake, I see. You are unworthy of my love." No. Obviously not. I'm all for discipline and self-restraint, but only when it serves you in remaining right with God.
And from what I can gather from your posts, you are the superstitious one. By giving certain objects supernatural qualities, you give them supernatural power. The reason that using candles or celebrating Christmas or Easter or Halloween or what have you is seen as normal by society is because they do not give the event this superstitious aura of condemnation, like you do. And in not doing so, they enjoy the event and thus the life that God gave them. You, however, seem to be obsessively against these things, and for no reason that I can deem rational. You said you're a logical person... So tell me: If God loves us, and gave us life, and wants you to love Him with all your heart and to love others as you love yourself... Why does it make sense to believe in a God that is petty and irrationally judgmental?
Furthermore, you insult God by assuming that he would punish you for something silly like putting candles on a cake. God's love is greater than any of us can ever imagine. Do you think as you pass away and face judgment (if you believe in that) that God will look at your life and say, "You put candles on your cake, I see. You are unworthy of my love." No. Obviously not. I'm all for discipline and self-restraint, but only when it serves you in remaining right with God.
And from what I can gather from your posts, you are the superstitious one. By giving certain objects supernatural qualities, you give them supernatural power. The reason that using candles or celebrating Christmas or Easter or Halloween or what have you is seen as normal by society is because they do not give the event this superstitious aura of condemnation, like you do. And in not doing so, they enjoy the event and thus the life that God gave them. You, however, seem to be obsessively against these things, and for no reason that I can deem rational. You said you're a logical person... So tell me: If God loves us, and gave us life, and wants you to love Him with all your heart and to love others as you love yourself... Why does it make sense to believe in a God that is petty and irrationally judgmental?
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like i said it is a matter of conscience.......no i dont think god is going to punish me as such...i said i would not want to offend him in any way.....my life is not lacking in any way because i choose not to partake in these things ...if anything it helps me to see the deeper things of god away from silly celebrations.like isaid many people do not see anything wrong with these things...thats ok...from what i have learned in the bible of what god sees as good and what he does not...what he approves and does not approve is what i make my decisions by....thanks for your opinion.
Seriously Kselby, I think you are in bondage to legalism, religion (the bad kind) and fear.
Scripture speaks for itself:
Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty with which Christ has made us free, and do not again be held with the yoke of bondage.
There's no nicey nicey way to get around saying this but the JW religion is basically a cult. You shouldn't fool yourself, or us, into thinking it is just another denomination or even Christian. It is well known that JW religion uses authoritarian control, coercion, and practices disfellowshipping even of family members. But that's not the worst of it - the JW leadership are on their way to hell for preaching a false Gospel, a Gospel not based on the grace of God but on works. The Scriptures are distorted so badly it's not funny. I know because I read the JW publications eg Awake! Magazine and check everything they say against the bible and common sense, and much that it is in the JW publications agree with neither.
You don't have to be in the JW religion, there are countless other denominations that are more in line with the truth than the JW would ever hope to be.
Scripture speaks for itself:
Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty with which Christ has made us free, and do not again be held with the yoke of bondage.
There's no nicey nicey way to get around saying this but the JW religion is basically a cult. You shouldn't fool yourself, or us, into thinking it is just another denomination or even Christian. It is well known that JW religion uses authoritarian control, coercion, and practices disfellowshipping even of family members. But that's not the worst of it - the JW leadership are on their way to hell for preaching a false Gospel, a Gospel not based on the grace of God but on works. The Scriptures are distorted so badly it's not funny. I know because I read the JW publications eg Awake! Magazine and check everything they say against the bible and common sense, and much that it is in the JW publications agree with neither.
You don't have to be in the JW religion, there are countless other denominations that are more in line with the truth than the JW would ever hope to be.
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