Another "caught up" scripture...

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Found it today. Just wanted to share it.

Matthew 24:37-42: "But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming"

Noah was rescued. Like Noah, we will be "caught up" (raptured).
 
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Found it today. Just wanted to share it.

Matthew 24:37-42: "But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming"

Noah was rescued. Like Noah, we will be "caught up" (raptured).
Yes. Precisely. Not to mention that "two men will be in the field.." verse is a direct reference to the Feast of Trumpets. When the First Trumpet was blown, the Jewish people would literally stop whatever they were doing to run to the Gathering at the temple. Hence the two in the field, because if a Gentile was working with a Jew, one would be "taken" away and the other left. Jesus uses Hebrew idioms to the Feast of Trumpets and to the Jewish Marriage ceremony (which involves "snatching the bride" as described in the book of Judges") repeatedly to describe His Coming in the clouds for the Raptured church just prior to the start of the Day of the Lord. God bless.
 
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"Sigh":(

This should be the experience of everyone that has been born again
already. Not some Great Advent in the future.
 
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"Sigh":(

This should be the experience of everyone that has been born again
already. Not some Great Advent in the future.

"until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be."

So in your Christian experience, the flood-like wrath of God and the coming of the Son of Man have already taken place?
 
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"until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be."

So in your Christian experience, the flood-like wrath of God and the coming of the Son of Man have already taken place?

For many yes, for the flood of Noah and The Ark, is a picture of
something far Greater, and is happening now in His people.


Gen 6:13 And God said to Noah, The end of all flesh has come before Me,......

"This Happened in Christ" Hear what the Spirit saith.
Php 3:20 For our citizenship is in Heaven, from where we also wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,
Php 3:21 who will transform our body of humiliation, for it to be conformed to His body of glory, according to the working of Him to be able even to subject all things under Himself.


Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
 
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For many yes, for the flood of Noah and The Ark, is a picture of
something far Greater, and is happening now in His people.


Gen 6:13 And God said to Noah, The end of all flesh has come before Me,......

"This Happened in Christ" Hear what the Spirit saith.
Php 3:20 For our citizenship is in Heaven, from where we also wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,
Php 3:21 who will transform our body of humiliation, for it to be conformed to His body of glory, according to the working of Him to be able even to subject all things under Himself.


Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
So what was your personal experience of God's Judgment and Christ's Coming? I only ask since Jesus in the very next verse of that passage says "24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come." So I assume that you do know personally what hour Jesus came since it happened to you already??
 
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Found it today. Just wanted to share it.

Matthew 24:37-42: "But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming"

Noah was rescued. Like Noah, we will be "caught up" (raptured).
Personally I feel being one of the ones "taken" is a bad thing. I believe if anything....Noah represents the one left, and I believe the ones killed in the flood were the ones taken....because "the flood came and TOOK them all away".
 
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So what was your personal experience of God's Judgment and Christ's Coming? I only ask since Jesus in the very next verse of that passage says "24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come." So I assume that you do know personally what hour Jesus came since it happened to you already??

Nope, didn't know, it took me by surprise, the one was taken to be with Him
The other was left, to remain Until the time, of the purchased possesion.

He also said: I go to prepare a place for you, and if I go to prepare a place,
Then I will come and receive you unto Myself, "that where I AM, There you
may be also."

I am in Christ in the Heavenlies,
Christ is in me in the Earth.

The one is taken,
The other is left.
 
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Nope, didn't know, it took me by surprise, the one was taken to be with Him
The other was left, to remain Until the time, of the purchased possesion.

He also said: I go to prepare a place for you, and if I go to prepare a place,
Then I will come and receive you unto Myself, "that where I AM, There you
may be also."

I am in Christ in the Heavenlies,
Christ is in me in the Earth.

The one is taken,
The other is left.
So you're simaltaneously living in heaven and Earth? I don't follow. Are you saying when Jesus says there are mansions and He is preparing a place for us in His Father's house that He is just speaking figuratively?

I guess I am just asking you to plainly state your belief. lol.
 
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Personally I feel being one of the ones "taken" is a bad thing. I believe if anything....Noah represents the one left, and I believe the ones killed in the flood were the ones taken....because "the flood came and TOOK them all away".
Where was Noah?
Was he not safe in The Ark?

What is The Ark a shadow of?
Is it not a picture of Christ Himself?

Those that were killed in the Flood,
Do they not represent all that was wicked in you
before you were born again?

We are Crucified with Christ nevertheless we Live,
Yet not we, But Christ Lives in Us.
 
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Where was Noah?
Was he not safe in The Ark?

What is The Ark a shadow of?
Is it not a picture of Christ Himself?

Those that were killed in the Flood,
Do they not represent all that was wicked in you
before you were born again?

We are Crucified with Christ nevertheless we Live,
Yet not we, But Christ Lives in Us.
I'm just addressing the idea that the passage suggest some kind of rapture....which I personally feel it doesn't.
 
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So you're simaltaneously living in heaven and Earth? I don't follow. Are you saying when Jesus says there are mansions and He is preparing a place for us in His Father's house that He is just speaking figuratively?

I guess I am just asking you to plainly state your belief. lol.

Mansions in the Greek means:
mon-ay'
From G3306; a staying, that is, residence (the act or the place): - abode, mansion.

We must abide in Him for we cannot bear fruit without abiding in the Vine
 
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Mansions in the Greek means:
mon-ay'
From G3306; a staying, that is, residence (the act or the place): - abode, mansion.

We must abide in Him for we cannot bear fruit without abiding in the Vine

Okay, well I've tried several times to get the plain stating of your beliefs, but you keep providing esoteric answers, so I am going to presume I have it down at this point.

I obviously disagree with your interpretation of Matthew 24. The entire context of the chapter is stated in the beginning:

3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

The Disciples are asking about the end times and Jesus answers them. This is not a chapter that is discussing Salvation. Since Jesus was already in front of them, they were clearly looking to the Second Coming of Christ and the end of the world. So regardless of what you think about the rapture, this is a prophetic chapter. And Jesus is urging the Disciples to be diligent and faithful until the time of the rapture and Day of The Lord because it will happen at a time that is unexpected.

You said above that Jesus came unto you at a time you did not expect and were caught off guard. Well this is what Jesus has to say about that:
42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. 48But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


By your own admission, you were not paying any attention when Jesus "arrived." So you are putting yourself in with the category of people Jesus will punish. Of course I don't agree with your intepretation. I believe Jesus is talking about His future coming in the clouds at the Rapture just before the day of the Lord. When He will take His believers out before the coming wrath of God. But you are left with a big dilemma if you think this is somehow a reference to general salvation of believers through time. Because as you stated about yourself, you didn't know when He was coming and were caught completely off guard, thus you fall into the group detailed in verse 50-51.
 
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I'm just addressing the idea that the passage suggest some kind of rapture....which I personally feel it doesn't.
Then what is it talking about?
 
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Okay, well I've tried several times to get the plain stating of your beliefs, but you keep providing esoteric answers, so I am going to presume I have it down at this point.

I obviously disagree with your interpretation of Matthew 24. The entire context of the chapter is stated in the beginning:

3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

The Disciples are asking about the end times and Jesus answers them. This is not a chapter that is discussing Salvation. Since Jesus was already in front of them, they were clearly looking to the Second Coming of Christ and the end of the world. So regardless of what you think about the rapture, this is a prophetic chapter. And Jesus is urging the Disciples to be diligent and faithful until the time of the rapture and Day of The Lord because it will happen at a time that is unexpected.

You said above that Jesus came unto you at a time you did not expect and were caught off guard. Well this is what Jesus has to say about that:
42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. 48But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


By your own admission, you were not paying any attention when Jesus "arrived." So you are putting yourself in with the category of people Jesus will punish. Of course I don't agree with your intepretation. I believe Jesus is talking about His future coming in the clouds at the Rapture just before the day of the Lord. When He will take His believers out before the coming wrath of God. But you are left with a big dilemma if you think this is somehow a reference to general salvation of believers through time. Because as you stated about yourself, you didn't know when He was coming and were caught completely off guard, thus you fall into the group detailed in verse 50-51.

Of Course you believe that, I know you do.
But if I explained myself any other way then I would be
lying. I have been as honest as a can be.

But I will tell you this, I once believed exactly like you have stated.
Then everything changed in moment in the twinkling of an eye.
And then I realized I was being taught by the doctines of men, and not
The Holy Spirit.
All Praise to Him.

Blessings
 
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Then what is it talking about?
Well, there is a lot of debate as to what it means exactly. I believe the ones taken are taken into destruction or death. In the parable of the tares we know that the tares are dealt with and gathered first for the burning. Some believe it was the destruction of Jerusalem by the roman army. Its hard to say for certain, but I just dont feel it implies a rapture. The one being taken just seems to be in a bad sense.
 
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By the way, I'm kinda on the fence as to whether or not there will be a pre-tribulation rapture....the jury is still out in my mind. I do feel that sometimes people wrestle with scripture too much to try and get it to suggest a rapture.
 
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Barnes' Notes on the BibleThen shall two be in the field ... - The calamity will come suddenly. There will be no escape for those whom it overtakes.
One shall be taken - The word "taken" may mean either to be taken away from the danger - that is, rescued, as Lot was Luke 17:28-29, or to be taken away "by death." Probably the latter is the meaning.







Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
Then shall two be in the field,.... About their proper business, of husbandry, ploughing, or sowing, or any other rural employment:
the one shall be taken; not by the preaching of the Gospel, into the kingdom of God, or Gospel dispensation; though such a distinction God makes, by the ministry of the word, accompanied by his Spirit and power; nor by angels, to meet Christ in the air, and to be introduced into his kingdom and glory; but by the eagles, the Roman army, and either killed or carried captive by them:
and the other left; not in a state of nature and unregeneracy, as many are, to whom the Gospel is preached; nor with devils at the last day, to be thrust down by them into the infernal regions; but by the Romans, being by some remarkable providence, or another, delivered out of their hands; which was the case of some few, and these of the meaner sort; and therefore persons of a rural life and occupation are instanced in.
 
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The counterpart to Matthew 24:36-42 is found in Luke 17:26-37
 
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Ezekiel 13
20Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.

So did you just skip over what Jesus said before this? This is found in the same chaper, said right BEFORE what you posted here.

Matthew 24
15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

No one will be taken up from this earth before facing great tribulation.