Antichrist has been revealed!

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leapfrogger

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#41
Tell them to bring it on :D I live in a town with a 75% Catholic population. I know what they believe better than they do. Go read the Catechism of the Catholic church and you'll see their documented heresies. See the thread on Catholicism for my documentation on those.
You'll be eaten alive. I'll see if I can convince one to get on here.
 
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Moshelijah

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#42
The only way one becomes catholic is to receive a CROSS on the FOREHEAD after being sprinkled with water. This is not an immersion therefor it can not be baptism. The mode of Jewish immersion or (Tavilah) took place all over Jerusalem in a (Mikvah) such as the pool of Siloam. The CROSS on the FOREHEAD is a clever and insidious counterfeit to deceive. For hundreds and hundreds of years the papacy FORCED you to become catholic or YOU WERE PUT TO DEATH. Google it!
 
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sweetie36

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#43
I know that the Antichrist is out there but I wnder who he or she is? I have read the Book OF Revelation and Its alittle scary but its the TRUTH!!! I have also been told that Jesus has the Keys to Hell when the Time comes Jesus will win and Satan will be gone forever. Sometimes I wish there were no Satan, then we wouldnt have all the Problems we are haveing now. But I know that Jesus Will win. I dont know if I am doing all these Threads right or not. If not Please someone Let me know.
 
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suaso

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#44
Can anyone tell me what ritual converts you to catholicism (and most denominations). What must one do to become a legitimate catholic? (Rich or poor free or slave there is only one ritual).
Since you asked, I expect you'd want a reply from an actual Catholic Christian (that would be me).

point A: no ritual converts anyone, the Holy Spirit acts within the individual to convert him/her. It is God that does the work, and it is the person who can choose to respond with "yes" or "no," just as I suspect any Christian on this site would say and agree with me on this point. The rest is where you will find many MANY diagreements amongst this community as what one ought to do once God has called them. I would pretend to be an expert in other Christian practices, because that is not my place, so I will only speak to the practice of Catholic Christians.

If one wants to join the Church as an adult, one typically finds a Catholic church in one's area and is put into a program called RCIA (Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults). I went through RCIA myself just for a refresher in the faith a few years back. Here, people who don't know as much about Catholic Christianity start from scratch and learn what the Catholic Church believes, why it believes as it does, what these beliefs mean for the individual, and how to live according to these beliefs.

After the individual has learned all of this and studied Catholic Christianity, he or she may make a choice: to either become a Catholic Christian or not. If one chooses not to, that's it, and he or she is free to do as he or she pleases without any pressure from the church. Many non-Catholic Christians take RCIA when they marry their Catholic spouses just to understand them better and they themselves may never become Catholic. It's a great way for non-Catholics to understand their Catholic friends, neighbors, and family members better.

If the individual chooses to become Catholic, he or she participates in those sacraments of the Church that most Catholics have already partaken in before becoming adults. First, they are baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit with water. They may be immersed if they so choose, but this is no the typical case. If they have already recieved a valid Christian baptism (one done in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy spirit and with water) in their life at any point, then the individual does not have to be baptised again. We believe that one valid Christian baptism is all that is needed, so if someone has already been baptized, there is no need for a do-over. The Catholic Church believes that anyone can baptize, priest or layperson, so if this has already been done, no need for another.

The convert is also asked to partake in the sacrament of reconciliation in which one confesses his or her sins (unless you haven't been baptised yet, because we believe baptism forgives all sins preiviously commited so no need to confess them if you are about to be baptized). Then the individual, if having been baptized and/or gone to reconciliation, recieves the sacrament of Confirmation. This essentially is given to mature youth and converts and is on one hand an afirmation of belief in Catholic teaching, and on the otherhand, since being seen as a stage of maturation for the Catholic, is a final calling upon the Holy Spirit to continue to bless the Christian with the gifts of the Holy Spirit in a special way to help the individual to continue to live out his or her life as a strong, committed Christian. The final sacrament that is typically recieved after RCIA is that of the Eucharist, aka Communion. This communal meal is a partaking in the life of the Body of Christ and is seen in two ways: a spiritual nourishment and also a bond between all Catholics (where 'communion' is truly had in the body of Christ).

Now, as for the comment someone else made about the papal hat...there are 3 (I know this, because I am a nerd).

1) The Mitre: this is the common hat most people call the "pope hat" but it is in fact worn by all bishops of the Church. It has taken many, many forms over the centuries and has nothing to do with a fish god (?).

2) The Tiara: Pope John Paul II discontinued the wearing of this "hat", but it has also taken on many forms over the centuries. Only the pope ever wore it, and it was a sign of his office as bishop of the diocese of Rome.

3) The Zuchetto: The name comes from Italian and means "little zuchinni (or pumpkin!). This is worn by the pope, bishops, and some priests. It evolved probably from the Jewish yamika (spelling?) and had a very practical purpose. In the old days, members of the clergy (including monks) would shave their head into what is called a tonsure, or corona. Naturally, the little bald spot left on top of their head made them cold in the winter, or it would get sunburned in the summer, so the skullcap/zuchetto helped keep warm in the winter and offer protection from the soul.

At any rate, suggesting it is to hide horns is a bit childish and disrespectful to the dignitiy of the human person.

Another fun fact: the pope didn't always wear white. This trend began when a Dominican friar was elected pope and wore his white habit instead of the traditonal cassock. Fun fact 2: any Catholic male can be elected pope, even if he isn't a priest, bishop, or cardinal.

Why am I such a nerd?

As for the pope being the antichrist: Which pope? This one? The last one? The next one? Every decade someone makes the accusation that the current pope is the antiChrist. They cant all have been the antiChrist unless we want to propose the validity of re-encarnation, which I am quite sure conflicts with Christian eschatological belifes.

and also: I live in a state that is 4% Catholic and my experience has been that I know my Catholic faith better than all the non-Catholics I encounter claim too :D. That's like me saying I know more about the Russian language than a native Russian...or to be more relevant, that I know more about Calvanism than most Calvanists because I live in a predominately Calvanist part of South Carolina. You know, my church here had a school that opened up in 1954 and was the first integrated school in SC? The KKK immediately came to burn a cross on the property and threaten our priests, nuns, parishoners, and black and white leaders and students with death. What does this have to do with the sincerity of their Christian descendents? Nothing. Don't hold the past of a people against those who were not alive then and do not do those things now.
 
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Moshelijah

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#45
Hello suaso,

Thanx for that input. I dont want you miss the point. The question is this, can you become catholic or any other denomination which originated from the holy roman empire without recieving the sign of the CROSS on your FOREHEAD. If the answer is no - then they are FORCING you to recieve a mark or (Charagma) on your forehead. I didnt make this up, paste the word Charagma into google and search (you will find) I promise you. As for a Charagma on the right hand?

...stay tuned.
 
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Moshelijah

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#46
The Bible doesn't mention anywhere that the Catholic church or Pope is the antichrist. You're just seeing what you want to see. For the record I am not Catholic. I just wanted to say that your history is off a bit.

No, it says antichrist (anti means substitute or replacement NOT against) will rule the world for 1260 DAYS.The papacy ruled the then known world for 1260 years.

I didnt make that up. Anyone can look this up.

The Bible says he (the antichrist) will mark foreheads. To be accepted into a roman church you must recieve a CROSS on your FOREHEADS.

I didnt make that up either! Ask any priest.

I still havent got to the mark on the right hand.

Yet.
 
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Moshelijah

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#47
Your link is just blatant bigotry. I've never encountered such hatred for the Catholic church (who ARE Christians.) About 20 pages back on this very forum there's another attack against Catholics without even once using history as a source. Distorted history maybe. People really have no clue at times. You convinced no one but yourself.
leapfrogger,

Please look into catholic history honestly and without bias. Then imagine those same policies enforced today. If you find Ancient Rome's (the first beast) and papal Rome's (the second beast) rule acceptable, let us know.

Waiting your reply.
 
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Moshelijah

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#48
Eric... I think you owe someone an apology. Discussion is one thing, but to degrade a person is just plain wrong!

I think the moderators of this forum need to consider stopping this particular discussion if such debasing is continued.

You might be right ashieldoffaith, but to what extent do you think we should censor? Its a slippery slope.
 
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Moshelijah

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#49
I've heard on many occasions that the Anti-christ could be the President of the Club of rome Prince El Hassan bin Talal, who supposedly got lineage 'ties' to Mohammad and he's been working with Sunnis and Shiites in Iraq trying to get them to work together. Lots of coincidences about a guy that seems to fly below the radar and yet is in the middle of moving and shaking thinking in the Arabic world. Could this be the one who is referred to in the bible as the Assyrian?
Hello RichinChrist,

The bibles references to an Assyrian, ties the beast or antichrist to ancient Babylon. The biblical Babylon. Catholicism admits its ties to ancient Babylonian religion and is quite proud of it actually?
 
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palaton

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#51
What is the "mark" of the antichrist then. please explain. Is it a tatoo on the head, a mole on the arm? What exactly?
 
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next_step

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#52
@Moshelijah

You obviously mistake history with future!
 
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Moshelijah

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#53
What is the "mark" of the antichrist then. please explain. Is it a tatoo on the head, a mole on the arm? What exactly?
It is the cross or "X" the priest makes with oil on the forehead of the person (young or old) when joining a catholic, protestant, orthodox etc.. church.
 
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Moshelijah

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#54
Don't forget palaton, one must be baptized (immersed) just as the Jews had been doing for millennia before John the Baptist and before Jesus. That's why The Bible talks so much about pools around the Temple Mount. Lucifer knows that! So he provided his own version of a baptism a fake but convincing baptism, without immersion, called it baptism or "christening" and deceived billions. The Holy Roman Empire went so far as to force the Jews in Spain then the French to become Catholic via the Inquisitions. They either received the mark or were put to death.

The fact remains the papacy insists on putting an X on your forehead nowhere else only on your forehead forehead forehead.
 
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Lauren

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#55
It is the cross or "X" the priest makes with oil on the forehead of the person (young or old) when joining a catholic, protestant, orthodox etc.. church.
That's an interesting theory, but how do you explain the part of the scripture that says that you won't be able to buy or sell without the mark? (Honestly asking, not being a wisecracker).
 
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Moshelijah

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#56
Hello Lauren,

Finally, a sensible question. The scriptures say He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. The blue part is basically; the dark ages, the Inquisitions, crusades type era (very roughly).(The red) it was illegal for catholics to trade with non catholics because they were decreed to be heretics in papal bulls. (The green) Once you received the mark to begin trading you needed to use official roman currency namely the roman coins. On them is the official title of the pope, Pontifex Maximus abbreviated to PONT.MAX. Say this word in Hebrew, write it down (in Hebrew) add all the numbers given to each character in the Hebrew tradition and there you get a whole other can of worms. It equals 666.

Google any part of this post and see for yourself. Good Luck
 
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leapfrogger

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#57
I'm sure googling will come up with highly credible sources. *end sarcasm* You see anything I look up will just come from highly anti catholic and biased websites. Who misinterpret scripture (which you are doing) and expecting that to be the way the future will hold. Were Catholics responsible for deaths in the past? Absolutely. Did they repent of those and realize their mistakes? Yes. Catholics now are now out to start Inquisitions or torture the masses for not sharing the same faith as them. Which believe it or not is Christianity. You know we got our Bible from them. You're in way over your head and should stop making an issue of this. Pretty soon a real Catholic is going to come on here and humble you greatly. I'm not Catholic but I'm playing the defense card because all you guys want to do is run them through the mud. So, learn a bit of history, and not distorted bizarre conspiracy theory history. Try actually talking to Catholics as well. They aren't a bunch of brain dead slobs that don't know their Bible. The ones I know do and very much so.
 
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KingdomGeneration

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I've heard on many occasions that the Anti-christ could be the President of the Club of rome Prince El Hassan bin Talal, who supposedly got lineage 'ties' to Mohammad and he's been working with Sunnis and Shiites in Iraq trying to get them to work together. Lots of coincidences about a guy that seems to fly below the radar and yet is in the middle of moving and shaking thinking in the Arabic world. Could this be the one who is referred to in the bible as the Assyrian?
Interesting theory Rich and probably the most viable and realistic of any given suggestions so far.

People must keep in mind that the Antichrist will negociate a peace treaty between Israel and the surrounding Muslim nations, most likely after the War of Gog & Magog has already taken place. Thus the Antichrist will be a man of political power. However, scripture does talk about another, a fals prophet, whom could very well be a future pope.
 
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Lauren

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#59
Hello Lauren,

Finally, a sensible question. The scriptures say He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. The blue part is basically; the dark ages, the Inquisitions, crusades type era (very roughly).(The red) it was illegal for catholics to trade with non catholics because they were decreed to be heretics in papal bulls. (The green) Once you received the mark to begin trading you needed to use official roman currency namely the roman coins. On them is the official title of the pope, Pontifex Maximus abbreviated to PONT.MAX. Say this word in Hebrew, write it down (in Hebrew) add all the numbers given to each character in the Hebrew tradition and there you get a whole other can of worms. It equals 666.

Google any part of this post and see for yourself. Good Luck
Hmm, you lost me on this one I think. While I believe that the antichrist is yet to come (or may already be here, but not in the sense that you are suggesting), I'm open to listening to other theories. But honestly this seems to be reaching a bit. Just my opinion though, so no offense meant.
 
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leendert

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#60
Funny you say that, I have never met a Catholic who was Christian. Most of them I have met have no clue what the Bible says and only go to church on Christmas and Easter. There may be some sincere ones, but they are sincerely wrong.
Hi there .Unfortunatley one finds it in most christian churches.Funny enough ,its in the religions we consider to be heathen,where you will find really committed members.Us christians are really a sorry bunch.I think its our duty to reach out to poeple in error,but its important to do it in love.