ANY DIRECTION THAT WE TAKE OTHER THAN THE CROSS OF CHRIST IS LAW!!!!!!

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I have read a fair bit of the material he posts, and I think that he is promoting idolatry. Look at his post #36; point #3 in his list. Do you put your faith in Jesus Who died on the cross, or in Jesus and the cross? He won't engage in conversation with me, but instead just implies that I'm not saved, as he did with Chester in posts 26 and 28.
I'm sorry, I refuse to drag others into a conversation. Can you reword your post without it implicating another? Otherwise you can ask the OP your question.
 
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#42
The cross was the Roman form of capital punishment.....others as well crucified people.....it is what was accomplished upon the cross that matters......NOT the cross in and of itself........When Paul said that he would glory in the cross of Christ he was not speaking of the wood and nails, but rather what Jesus done/procured ON the cross for us.....it was the sinless sacrifice and shed blood of Christ that procured salvation....it just so happens that at that time in HISTORY the ROMANS crucified ALL non Romans.....worship the God that hung on the cross as a man and NOT the cross itself!!!!!!!!!
 

Dino246

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#43
I'm sorry, I refuse to drag others into a conversation. Can you reword your post without it implicating another? Otherwise you can ask the OP your question.
Fair enough, but as my issue is with the material posted by the OP, I would need to refer to his posts.
 

Nehemiah6

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If you do not give credit for borrowed material that you post, you are committing plagiarism, a form of theft.
Correct. Everything being posted here if generated by someone else must be properly credited to the original author. Looks like the Swaggarts have been producing these materials, but have misunderstood the difference between the cross and the Crucified One.

And the Catholics continue to show Christ on a crucifix, and then make it a superstitious object.

This is not to deny the importance of the cross and the crucifixion of Christ. However, the cross represented the altar of sacrifice and the Lamb of God (Christ) on the cross was the whole burnt offering with which God the Father was totally pleased. Abraham told Isaac about the cross prophetically in these words (Genesis 22:8): And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
 

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#45
Forsaking (abandon) the Cross and going to other things is a serious matter indeed. It may not be the "Law of Moses," but it is laws we have devised ourselves. Therefore, you can not live a victorious life if you overthrow the message of Cross.


I think the message of the cross is STILL misunderstood in many ways. This message was begun by God the Father when sin entered our world, when men couldn't understand how Jesus paid for our sin. Then, people were only told it took a sacrifice of blood for payment and the people who loved God took God's word for it. Just imagine, if you were a cattle rancher, obeying a God who told you to sacrifice your prime beef. It was 4,000 years before Christ came, and now those who loved the Lord were told Christ sacrificed for them. They were told to change. People do not change easily, even if it is to accept a truth different from what they had believed in.

Now, the gentiles are accepting Christ as has always been necessary because sin kills, but they use Christ as the only God. Christ is the way to God, Christ is a part of God, but God the Father who is explained in the OT is the Father, He is the creator. It is the Father who forgives us through what His Son did for us under the direction of the Father.
 

Dino246

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Now, the gentiles are accepting Christ as has always been necessary because sin kills, but they use Christ as the only God. Christ is the way to God, Christ is a part of God, but God the Father who is explained in the OT is the Father, He is the creator. It is the Father who forgives us through what His Son did for us under the direction of the Father.
I don't know where you got the idea that Gentile Christians "use Christ as the only God". It certainly wasn't from any church that teaches the Bible properly, and it certainly wasn't from any Bible school that is faithful to its text.

I don't believe that the Bible teaches that "Christ is part of God". Nor do I believe that the OT God is exclusively the Father, though I understand why some might think so. John 1 tells us "All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life...." That means that Jesus is the Creator!

I encourage you to review your beliefs in light of the early heresies. Your view, as described above, is dangerously close to subordinationism.
 
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I don't know where you got the idea that Gentile Christians "use Christ as the only God". It certainly wasn't from any church that teaches the Bible properly, and it certainly wasn't from any Bible school that is faithful to its text.

I don't believe that the Bible teaches that "Christ is part of God". Nor do I believe that the OT God is exclusively the Father, though I understand why some might think so. John 1 tells us "All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life...." That means that Jesus is the Creator!

I encourage you to review your beliefs in light of the early heresies. Your view, as described above, is dangerously close to subordinationism.
All things were created by him and for him....and By him all things CONSIST......

Let us make man in our image <---JESUS said that
 

Nehemiah6

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but God the Father who is explained in the OT is the Father, He is the creator....
But the Father handed creation over to the Son, who is God. See John 1:1-3 and many other passages including Hebrew 1:10-12 (which is quoted from the OT).

So what you are attempting to do is to deny the deity of Christ, when the Father Himself calls the Son "God" (Heb 1:8,9, which is also quoted from the OT).

Which means that you are antagonistic to both the Father and the Son. A very bad position for anyone to be in.
 

Blik

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But the Father handed creation over to the Son, who is God. See John 1:1-3 and many other passages including Hebrew 1:10-12 (which is quoted from the OT).

So what you are attempting to do is to deny the deity of Christ, when the Father Himself calls the Son "God" (Heb 1:8,9, which is also quoted from the OT).

Which means that you are antagonistic to both the Father and the Son. A very bad position for anyone to be in.
Would you give scripture that the Father gave His authority to the Son so God the Father is not the authority figure any longer?
 

Dino246

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Would you give scripture that the Father gave His authority to the Son so God the Father is not the authority figure any longer?
Once again you twist another's words. It's completely destructive to good communication, but quite the talent nonetheless.

He didn't say "so God the Father is not the authority figure any longer"... or anything like it.

You invented that part.
 

Blik

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But the Father handed creation over to the Son, who is God. See John 1:1-3 and many other passages including Hebrew 1:10-12 (which is quoted from the OT).

So what you are attempting to do is to deny the deity of Christ, when the Father Himself calls the Son "God" (Heb 1:8,9, which is also quoted from the OT).

Which means that you are antagonistic to both the Father and the Son. A very bad position for anyone to be in.
 

Blik

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I think we should listen to the Lord as the Lord speaks. The Lord tells us the Father is the Creator and the Father gave authority to the Son. This authority is not a giving away all the authority of the Father, but giving Him authority to act with and for Him. This does not take away any deity from the Father or the Son, it is false to do that. It is also false to give the Son all authority and deity of the Father.

The Jews did not accept Christ, and we must be careful that as we accept Christ we fall into the sin of not accepting the authority of the Father. We are not told to pray "Our Son who is in heaven" but Christ told us to pray "Our Father who is in Heaven."
 

Blik

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The Blood of Jesus - The Cross - The Finished Work = SAME!!!!!!! Anyone who does not hear and receive this is not hearing in truth and righteousness (Proverbs 8:7-8), but by the letter of the law. See post #12 how righteousness is awarded.
The Holy word of the Lord telling us of the cross does not wipe out the holiness of
God the Fathher, does not cancel the law that is Holy, does not cancel any of the inspired words of the Lord.
 

theanointedwinner

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people can get creative at yard work

and put two sticks together in such a way that it can be called "the crucifix stick breaker" where two wooden sticks are pinned against each other, and even the overzealous can proclaim "crucify!"

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pretty much, to worship any piece of wood, even if shaped like a cross would be idolatry
 

Blik

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I don't know where you got the idea that Gentile Christians "use Christ as the only God". It certainly wasn't from any church that teaches the Bible properly, and it certainly wasn't from any Bible school that is faithful to its text.

I don't believe that the Bible teaches that "Christ is part of God". Nor do I believe that the OT God is exclusively the Father, though I understand why some might think so. John 1 tells us "All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life...." That means that Jesus is the Creator!

I encourage you to review your beliefs in light of the early heresies. Your view, as described above, is dangerously close to subordinationism.
To me scripture tells us about God, all of it. It stems from being created by God, with God the controller of our world. If any part of scripture is made more important than any other part, it is a contortion of the truth. I feel at one with all people who know they belong to God, but only when they have the same God as scripture tells us of. When my brothers and sisters in Christ say "it is all about Christ" I know it is a different God they are talking about than the one told in scripture. It is all about the Lord, and the Lord includes Christ as scripture tells us He is.
 

Dino246

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To me scripture tells us about God, all of it. It stems from being created by God, with God the controller of our world. If any part of scripture is made more important than any other part, it is a contortion of the truth. I feel at one with all people who know they belong to God, but only when they have the same God as scripture tells us of. When my brothers and sisters in Christ say "it is all about Christ" I know it is a different God they are talking about than the one told in scripture. It is all about the Lord, and the Lord includes Christ as scripture tells us He is.
Do you believe that Jesus is, was, and always will be God?
 

Blik

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Do you believe that Jesus is, was, and always will be God?
I stated this clearly. I believe scripture and scripture tells us that Christ is God. The Holy Spirit is God. God the Father is God. Have I ever, in any way, suggested anything other than scripture?
 

Dino246

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I stated this clearly. I believe scripture and scripture tells us that Christ is God. The Holy Spirit is God. God the Father is God. Have I ever, in any way, suggested anything other than scripture?
Thanks; just clarifying. It can sometimes be difficult to determine one's beliefs from isolated comments.