No, I don't believe the blue words "are a temporary escape to a different subject", but simply noting the resurrection in v.4 is of all the saved, which is contrasted with the resurrection of all the unsaved 1,000 years later.
I believe that 1 Cor 15:23 nails it down nicely.
Why would you not be convinced by that verse?
Not following your logic. We KNOW decisively that the GWT judgment will be 1,000 years after the Second Advent. And the Second Advent is when all the saved will be resurrected, which is the FIRST of TWO resurrections.
So the second resurrection by default HAS TO BE the resurrection of the unsaved for the GWT.
I don't know how else to connect the dots.
[QOUTE]Revelation 20:6 explains how this should be understood.
#1 is obvious and stated.
#2 is a real misread of the verse. Those in the first resurrection are the martyrs from the Trib. And they, in their glorified bodies, WILL reign with Christ in their resurrected bodies. I am perplexed at #2. The verse does support that point.
Therefore, #3 is also misguided. The text is very clear that it is the martyred saints will reign with Christ at their resurrection.
I am perplexed why you can't see the clarity in v.4 - I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
This verse very plainly says the martyrs "came to life (which is resurrection with glorified body) and reigned with Christ a thousand years". It couldn't be more plain than that.
Another problem here. Why do you think the record resurrection is BEFORE Gog and Magog??? That's not in Rev 20.
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.
9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Follow the bolded words: when the 1,000 years are over, Satan is released and gathers from the 4 corners of earth, Gog and Magog for battle. After surrounding the camp of God's people (could be all the resurrected saints who had been reigning/serving in the kingdom) fire comes down from heaven and DEVOURS THEM.
There it is. God brings down fire and destroys ALL the unbelievers on earth. And what follows v.10? v..11-15 is the account of the GWT judgment.
So v.7-10 proves that all unbelievers will be killed before they are then resurrected for the GWT. And all the rest of unsaved mankind from Adam forward.
That connects all the dots.
The second resurrection of of all the unsaved, for the GWT. They will go to the lake of fire.
After they die, along with ALL the unsaved throughout human history, for the GWT.
Only one. The Bible says so. Acts 24:15 - and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.
And John 5:28,29
28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice
29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.
I believe that 1 Cor 15:23 nails it down nicely.
Why would you not be convinced by that verse?
Not following your logic. We KNOW decisively that the GWT judgment will be 1,000 years after the Second Advent. And the Second Advent is when all the saved will be resurrected, which is the FIRST of TWO resurrections.
So the second resurrection by default HAS TO BE the resurrection of the unsaved for the GWT.
I don't know how else to connect the dots.
[QOUTE]Revelation 20:6 explains how this should be understood.
Revelation 20:6
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
1. The second death does not have power over those in the first resurrection.
2. However, they still get to be priests and reign with Christ in non-resurrected form.
3. They don’t actually get to come to life (be resurrected) until after the 1,000 years are complete according to Revelation 20:5.
4. The first resurrection must be two groups one before and after the MK.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
1. The second death does not have power over those in the first resurrection.
2. However, they still get to be priests and reign with Christ in non-resurrected form.
3. They don’t actually get to come to life (be resurrected) until after the 1,000 years are complete according to Revelation 20:5.
4. The first resurrection must be two groups one before and after the MK.
#2 is a real misread of the verse. Those in the first resurrection are the martyrs from the Trib. And they, in their glorified bodies, WILL reign with Christ in their resurrected bodies. I am perplexed at #2. The verse does support that point.
Therefore, #3 is also misguided. The text is very clear that it is the martyred saints will reign with Christ at their resurrection.
I am perplexed why you can't see the clarity in v.4 - I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
This verse very plainly says the martyrs "came to life (which is resurrection with glorified body) and reigned with Christ a thousand years". It couldn't be more plain than that.
Another problem here. Why do you think the record resurrection is BEFORE Gog and Magog??? That's not in Rev 20.
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.
9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Follow the bolded words: when the 1,000 years are over, Satan is released and gathers from the 4 corners of earth, Gog and Magog for battle. After surrounding the camp of God's people (could be all the resurrected saints who had been reigning/serving in the kingdom) fire comes down from heaven and DEVOURS THEM.
There it is. God brings down fire and destroys ALL the unbelievers on earth. And what follows v.10? v..11-15 is the account of the GWT judgment.
So v.7-10 proves that all unbelievers will be killed before they are then resurrected for the GWT. And all the rest of unsaved mankind from Adam forward.
That connects all the dots.
The second resurrection of of all the unsaved, for the GWT. They will go to the lake of fire.
After they die, along with ALL the unsaved throughout human history, for the GWT.
Only one. The Bible says so. Acts 24:15 - and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.
And John 5:28,29
28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice
29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.
I think at this point we are just speaking different languages, but I am not really perplexed about it. If you'll just study different views of the resurrection, you'll see that there are at least 5 different interpretations of the resurrection. All believers seem to agree there are at least two groups in the resurrection: righteous and unrighteous. The main points of contest are normally when and how many groups.
I'll end on a compliment though. I do follow your posts when I see them and aside from what you show about the resurrections, I do find I agree with 99% of what I've seen you say, a rarity on this forum.