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Food for thought.....
https://christianchat.com/threads/w...is-death-and-resurrection.210204/post-5046235
"Do you know what hyperspaces are? Non-locality? Higher dimensional spaces and their implications?
The Eternal God inhabiting eternal infinite times and spaces all at once? Without limitation or duration?
I am not purporting doctrine. Not at all. Just pointing out nuances of this verse.
Jhn 3:13
And G2532 no man G3762 hath ascended up G305 to G1519 heaven, G3772 but G1508 he that came down G2597 from G1537 heaven, G3772 even the Son G5207 of man G444 which G3588 is G5607 in G1722 heaven. G377
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g5607/kjv/tr/0-1/
The KJV translates Strong's G5607 in the following manner: being (36x), when ... was (8x), which is (17x), that is (8x), not translated (10x), miscellaneous (81x).
Speech: Verb
Tense: Present
Voice: (No voice stated)
Mood: Participle
Case: Nominative
Number: Singular
Gender: Masculine
Definition of "Present"
Represents a simple statement of fact or reality viewed as occurring in actual time. In most cases this corresponds directly with the English present tense. Some phrases which might be rendered as past tense in English will often occur in the present tense in Greek. These are termed "historical presents," and such occurrences dramatize the event described as if the reader were there watching the event occur. Some English translations render such historical presents in the English past tense, while others permit the tense to remain in the present."
https://christianchat.com/threads/w...is-death-and-resurrection.210204/post-5046235
"Do you know what hyperspaces are? Non-locality? Higher dimensional spaces and their implications?
The Eternal God inhabiting eternal infinite times and spaces all at once? Without limitation or duration?
I am not purporting doctrine. Not at all. Just pointing out nuances of this verse.
Jhn 3:13
And G2532 no man G3762 hath ascended up G305 to G1519 heaven, G3772 but G1508 he that came down G2597 from G1537 heaven, G3772 even the Son G5207 of man G444 which G3588 is G5607 in G1722 heaven. G377
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g5607/kjv/tr/0-1/
The KJV translates Strong's G5607 in the following manner: being (36x), when ... was (8x), which is (17x), that is (8x), not translated (10x), miscellaneous (81x).
Speech: Verb
Tense: Present
Voice: (No voice stated)
Mood: Participle
Case: Nominative
Number: Singular
Gender: Masculine
Definition of "Present"
Represents a simple statement of fact or reality viewed as occurring in actual time. In most cases this corresponds directly with the English present tense. Some phrases which might be rendered as past tense in English will often occur in the present tense in Greek. These are termed "historical presents," and such occurrences dramatize the event described as if the reader were there watching the event occur. Some English translations render such historical presents in the English past tense, while others permit the tense to remain in the present."
I have to say that I was wrong about the heavens. There is the earth atmosphere, outer space the entire soler system and then the 3rd Heaven is wherever Gods throne is.
Where that is now, we really do not know, but the bible tells us that He (God) will bring His throne here to earth.
Zecharia 14:1
New International Version
A day of the LORD is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls.
New Living Translation
Watch, for the day of the LORD is coming when your possessions will be plundered right in front of you!
English Standard Version
Behold, a day is coming for the LORD, when the spoil taken from you will be divided in your midst.
Berean Standard Bible
Behold, a day of the LORD is coming when your plunder will be divided in your presence.
King James Bible
Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Verse 2
New International Version
I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.
New Living Translation
I will gather all the nations to fight against Jerusalem. The city will be taken, the houses looted, and the women raped. Half the population will be taken into captivity, and the rest will be left among the ruins of the city.
English Standard Version
For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women raped. Half of the city shall go out into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Berean Standard Bible
For I will gather all the nations for battle against Jerusalem, and the city will be captured, the houses looted, and the women ravished. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be removed from the city.
King James Bible
For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Verse 3.
New International Version
Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle.
New Living Translation
Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations, as he has fought in times past.
English Standard Version
Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations as when he fights on a day of battle.
Berean Standard Bible
Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations, as He fights in the day of battle.
King James Bible
Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Verse 4.
New International Version
On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south.
New Living Translation
On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem. And the Mount of Olives will split apart, making a wide valley running from east to west. Half the mountain will move toward the north and half toward the south.
English Standard Version
On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward.
Berean Standard Bible
On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half the mountain moving to the north and half to the south.
King James Bible
And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
The Ascension
(Mark 16:19-20; Luke 24:50-53)
6When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 8But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
9And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Jesus is returning here to earth to establish His Kingdom; So why would you want to fly away if He is coming back here?
Will follow up later.
Where that is now, we really do not know, but the bible tells us that He (God) will bring His throne here to earth.
Zecharia 14:1
New International Version
A day of the LORD is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls.
New Living Translation
Watch, for the day of the LORD is coming when your possessions will be plundered right in front of you!
English Standard Version
Behold, a day is coming for the LORD, when the spoil taken from you will be divided in your midst.
Berean Standard Bible
Behold, a day of the LORD is coming when your plunder will be divided in your presence.
King James Bible
Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Verse 2
New International Version
I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.
New Living Translation
I will gather all the nations to fight against Jerusalem. The city will be taken, the houses looted, and the women raped. Half the population will be taken into captivity, and the rest will be left among the ruins of the city.
English Standard Version
For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women raped. Half of the city shall go out into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Berean Standard Bible
For I will gather all the nations for battle against Jerusalem, and the city will be captured, the houses looted, and the women ravished. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be removed from the city.
King James Bible
For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Verse 3.
New International Version
Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle.
New Living Translation
Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations, as he has fought in times past.
English Standard Version
Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations as when he fights on a day of battle.
Berean Standard Bible
Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations, as He fights in the day of battle.
King James Bible
Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Verse 4.
New International Version
On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south.
New Living Translation
On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem. And the Mount of Olives will split apart, making a wide valley running from east to west. Half the mountain will move toward the north and half toward the south.
English Standard Version
On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward.
Berean Standard Bible
On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half the mountain moving to the north and half to the south.
King James Bible
And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
The Ascension
(Mark 16:19-20; Luke 24:50-53)
6When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 8But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
9And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Jesus is returning here to earth to establish His Kingdom; So why would you want to fly away if He is coming back here?
Will follow up later.