Anyone else bothered with the Pledge of Allegiance?

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john832

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Can you have allegiance to your wife and GOD?
This is an old joke, hope it doesn't offend anyone...

Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
 

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Mattithyah 23:9, "And you must not pray to or worship any cman on earth as a "Father", for you have only One Father, Who is in heaven. And do not be called rulers, for One is your Ruler--the Messiah."

We have only 1 Ruler, therefore I say we shall render unto Caesar what is his, NOTHING.

Especiall when "Caesar" is involved in this:
What was the Caesar's in the ancient days of Christ doing? anything different? No, but far worse, they proclaimed themselves as God.
 

Hizikyah

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What was the Caesar's in the ancient days of Christ doing? anything different? No, but far worse, they proclaimed themselves as God.
They still do brother.


Genesis 3:22, "Then Yahweh said: Behold, the man has become like one who has begun to know righteousness and evil. And now, he must not be allowed to put out his hand and also take of the Tree of Life, and eat, and live forever."

The faulty "divine right of kings", thats why they call themselves ELITES = EL-ites or god-ites
 

Bookends

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Mattithyah 23:9, "And you must not pray to or worship any cman on earth as a "Father", for you have only One Father, Who is in heaven. And do not be called rulers, for One is your Ruler--the Messiah."

We have only 1 Ruler, therefore I say we shall render unto Caesar what is his, NOTHING.

Especiall when "Caesar" is involved in this:
Do you pay taxes? If your not going to support it, why not go ALL the WAY!!!
 
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The faulty "divine right of kings", thats why they call themselves ELITES = EL-ites or god-ites
At this point I think we should leave most of your CT nonsense alone, but butchering etymology is crossing the line.

The word "elite" comes directly from the French, meaning a selection or choice. "The elite" means "the chosen" and has a Romantic language root, not a Semitic one.
 
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Understand. What " democratic " individuals are pushing in the government ( the bad ) reflects the views of a few. The majority are those that consist of the republic . The Government is a small part.

But there are good people made up of the " Republic " ; Christians get it ? And a Christian, is who added the phrase in God we trust, one nation under God, etc.

So Christians, like myself, want the Pledge to remain, Because it is representative of the Patriotic Christians of the Republic , under God. Understand ?




That is the reason, you see atheist try to remove it.
 

Hizikyah

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At this point I think we should leave most of your CT nonsense alone, but butchering etymology is crossing the line.

The word "elite" comes directly from the French, meaning a selection or choice. "The elite" means "the chosen" and has a Romantic language root, not a Semitic one.
so the bohemian grove doesnt exist and the french templar and such didnt worship the gods of Canaan, Moab, Ammon etc?
 

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[SUP]9 [/SUP]“And I say to you, make friends for yourselves by unrighteous mammon, (Luke 16)...
 

Hizikyah

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Understand. What " democratic " individuals are pushing in the government ( the bad ) reflects the views of a few. The majority are those that consist of the republic . The Government is a small part.

But there are good people made up of the " Republic " ; Christians get it ? And a Christian, is who added the phrase in God we trust, one nation under God, etc.

So Christians, like myself, want the Pledge to remain, Because it is representative of the Patriotic Christians of the Republic , under God. Understand ?




That is the reason, you see atheist try to remove it.
there is nothing wrong with a government, when it is ruled by men of Yahweh, but when you get corrupt men in power, and they happen to worship Molech, there is a problem. especially when they are tring to destroy the foundation of this country, the CONSTITUTION.

See Patriot Act 1, PA 2, NDAA, death of habeas corpus, illegal spying on citizens, etc
 
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so the bohemian grove doesnt exist
The Bohemian Grove does exist; so do the Masons; so do many other groups. None of them are secretly worshipping Satan and manipulating the government.

Are you going to admit your mistake regarding the etymology of the word "elite," or would the CT delusions start to crumble if an actual fact accidentally crept in?
 
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What do you mean, red lister for the FEMA camps?
One of the conspiracy nutters' myths involves the idea that FEMA is secretly preparing to seize control of the country by force. Everyone is on either the red or blue list (red/blue/yellow in some versions) and "red listers" will be rounded up into death / indoctrination camps or just killed.
 

Hizikyah

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One of the conspiracy nutters' myths involves the idea that FEMA is secretly preparing to seize control of the country by force. Everyone is on either the red or blue list (red/blue/yellow in some versions) and "red listers" will be rounded up into death / indoctrination camps or just killed.
lol, congressmen in congressions hearings have went out about this, Ron Paul, Michelle Bachman, and more.

Do you know what the
"civillian labor camp" act is,

or "REX 84"

or how about NDAA?

"the report for the climate and recruitment of rightwing extremeism."

habeas corpus being killed in 2006

the IRS saying they what to know what 501-C3 orginazations PRAYERS ARE

the "official" term is re-education camp, that is on congressional RECORD

i could go on, and on, and on........................................................................
 
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i could go on, and on, and on........................................................................
Yes, you could. David Icke has written whole books on the secret alien lizards that control our minds and our government.

The fact that you can say LOTS of crazy and wrong things, doesn't make them any less crazy or wrong.
 

KohenMatt

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lol, congressmen in congressions hearings have went out about this, Ron Paul, Michelle Bachman, and more.

Do you know what the
"civillian labor camp" act is,

or "REX 84"

or how about NDAA?

"the report for the climate and recruitment of rightwing extremeism."

habeas corpus being killed in 2006

the IRS saying they what to know what 501-C3 orginazations PRAYERS ARE

the "official" term is re-education camp, that is on congressional RECORD

i could go on, and on, and on........................................................................
Hiz, with all due respect, could you move the conspiracy theories to a different thread? That's not the point of this thread. It's concerning our relationship to our country and how the Pledge of allegiance factors into that.

Thanks in advance,
Matt
 

Bookends

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One of the conspiracy nutters' myths involves the idea that FEMA is secretly preparing to seize control of the country by force. Everyone is on either the red or blue list (red/blue/yellow in some versions) and "red listers" will be rounded up into death / indoctrination camps or just killed.
Oh! So Hiz are you hiding out? Are you a dooms day prepper?

 
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While I'm thankful God placed me in this country, I've grown increasingly uncomfortable saying the Pledge of Allegiance.

Anyone else, or any thoughts?
I don't have a problem with pledging allegiance to the flag, and the republic for which it stands, as long as both are under God as quoted also. Take "under God out", and then I have a problem. One other thing, we are not a republic anymore much to my chagrin. We are now a democracy. There is a difference. From American history, the confederates classified the nation as a republic. It is uncanny how politics works. The first Republican Party was when Lincoln was elected president, and the nation turned into a democracy. Go figure.
 

Hizikyah

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Yes, you could. David Icke has written whole books on the secret alien lizards that control our minds and our government.

The fact that you can say LOTS of crazy and wrong things, doesn't make them any less crazy or wrong.
guilt by false association, ok.
 

Hizikyah

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Oh! So Hiz are you hiding out? Are you a dooms day prepper?

I hide from none.

I can tell you this, 11 0f the 12 disciples didnt have that look on their face when the servants of satan brutally murdered them. Read Ofxes Book of Martyrs for the historical record. but its probably easir to just post laughing faces than to study this.

Also any who go through this wont have your smug take on this topic. and we are told this for a reason, because it will happen. We must be Spiritually prepared by Yahweh if we have any chance to endure.


Revelation 1:1, "The Revelation of Yahshua Messiah, which Yahweh gave to Him, to show His servants things which must shortly come to pass"

This is BOND SERVANT, this message isnt for everyone.

Revelation 13:9-10, "If any man has an ear, let him hear: He who is for captivity, will go into captivity; he who is for the sword, must be killed with the sword. Herein is the patience and the faith of the saints tested."