Anyone who honestly reads 1 Timothy chapter 6 knows you cannot be rich and also serve

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MarcR

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I believe that 1Tim 6 teaches that one should not enter the ministry to secure wealth; but I see nothing which precludes a wealthy person from serving in a ministry.
 
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skylove7

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Please forgive me if I may bother you folks with a true story

Lol..I found in life CC women are my best friends. Lol

Non christian women in the world despise my heart. :)

Ahhh tip...keep ya mouth shut at workplace :)

Once in the office a co worker name Sheila said to me

"Sky...tonites the night! I am making John buy me that engagement ring I have been bugging him for."

Ok situation Sky..should I hold my tongue?
Um yes...I should have but didnt :(

Sigh...I paid the price :( gee a heartless cold woman was no longer my friend boo hoo :)

I made her mad because I chose honesty

Oopsie

I told her "Are you kidding me? You are going to drag John? To the diamond store to buy you a ten grand ring he can hardly afford because you think its lovely?

Why cant u just love John for him! Because goodness is hard to find...and a partner just being loving to you is better than all the riches in the world"

:( she never liked me after that

Skyloves future prayers

God teach me to be quiet

I may lose another gold digger woman out there as a friend

Boo hoo :)

Im happier alone for it :)
 
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cmarieh

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I agree with most of you because it is the "love" of money that is the root of evil. I view being financially secure a blessing as long as the person's priorities in God and in their personal life are in working order.

Money is neither good or bad it is neutral. However, we need money to have food, clothing, and shelter, and of course to support the ministry. In today's world you cannot exist without money because of those things I listed. There is nothing wrong with God's children having money or becoming wealthy. HOWEVER, money leads to sin when you worship it instead of God and let it direct your life.

For my personal viewpoint, money doesn't matter to me at all. I was brought up in a household where we worked for everything we had and gave back to the community with our time and energy through a Christian organization my Grandma founded that gave food and clothing to people that needed it and I believe that is where God wants all of us to be in some way. Looking back and ahead to my future I wouldn't change one second of it.
 
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skylove7

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Awww crossnote :)

You my buddy...and Im praying California has rain.

:( you..and also Siberian Khatru is in the Cali drought.

It saddens me

I love u guys :)
 
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A lot of people say money is neither good nor bad, but Jesus called it "unrighteous". The reason I believe is because it is not the "true" spiritual "riches" that are freely given to us by God. The "unrighteous" serves to minister to the things of the flesh and are temporal, but the "true" serves to minister to the things of the spirit and are eternal.

Luke 16:11
If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?
 
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Jesus said, where your treasure is, there will be your heart also. People lay up treasures upon this Earth not because they hate money or because they want to follow Jesus. People lay up treasure for themselves here on this Earth because they want their ..... "Best Life Now!"; And because they love money. For the rich are charged in 1 Timothy 6 to be willing to distribute what they have so........ that they may lay hold on eternal life. Meaning they do not have eternal life unless they are giving away all that wealth instead of hoarding it. For when we start to have fancy cars and mansions and expensive boats and tons of expensive jewelry and clothes, we are not really caring about the poor and or in devoting our resources properly to serving Jesus Christ. In other words, whatever thing a person loves, that thing is what they will focus on and thereby seek to obtain or keep such a thing (Thereby making it their object of affection instead of God). In other words, if a man is just focused on just the physical pleasure of women alone, he is going to have a lot of women in his life. If a man love Star Wars, he will collect Star Wars stuff, and dress up in Star Wars outfits, and hang out with other Star Wars fans that are just as passionate about Star Wars as he is.
 
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Budman

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A lot of people say money is neither good nor bad, but Jesus called it "unrighteous". The reason I believe is because it is not the "true" spiritual "riches" that are freely given to us by God. The "unrighteous" serves to minister to the things of the flesh and are temporal, but the "true" serves to minister to the things of the spirit and are eternal.

Then stop using money altogether.
 
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I agree with most of you because it is the "love" of money that is the root of evil. I view being financially secure a blessing as long as the person's priorities in God and in their personal life are in working order.

Money is neither good or bad it is neutral. However, we need money to have food, clothing, and shelter, and of course to support the ministry. In today's world you cannot exist without money because of those things I listed. There is nothing wrong with God's children having money or becoming wealthy. HOWEVER, money leads to sin when you worship it instead of God and let it direct your life.

For my personal viewpoint, money doesn't matter to me at all. I was brought up in a household where we worked for everything we had and gave back to the community with our time and energy through a Christian organization my Grandma founded that gave food and clothing to people that needed it and I believe that is where God wants all of us to be in some way. Looking back and ahead to my future I wouldn't change one second of it.
What determines how you love something? Well, if you constantly feed, collect, and focus on that wordly thing you enjoy... it means you love it. But God wants our love and devotion. A thing in this world should never take the place of our worship and devotion to God. In other words, I can walk into a person's house and if I see Elvis pictures, statues, mugs, plates, and other Elvis things in their home, I am going to assume they love Elvis. It's no different with money. If a person hoards lots of money selfishly when they could be helping the poor and or helping spread the cause of missionary work for Christ (with a Christian business or missions at a nearby church), then they are proving they love their money instead of God. For Jesus said... for where your treasure is.... there will be your heart also. This is why Jesus said to put your treasures in Heaven instead. This is the flipside alternative that runs contrary to putting treasures here upon this Earth.
 
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Then stop using money altogether.
No. Paul worked as a tent maker and the church also took collections at times, too. There is a difference between hoarding money and using one's money so as to meet the basic needs and then giving the rest unto God.
 
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Budman

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No. Paul worked at a job and the church also took collections at times, too. There is a difference between hoarding money and using one's money so as to meet the basic needs and then giving the rest unto God.
He claimed Jesus said money was "unrighteous" (Which, in context, is not what Jesus meant at all). If he really believed that, he wouldn't own it, or use it.

Money isn't good or evil - it's a tool. How it's used is what matters.

It's like, you can use a hammer to build a house, or bash someone's head in. The hammer itself is neutral.
 
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He claimed Jesus said money was "unrighteous" (Which, in context, is not what Jesus meant at all). If he really believed that, he wouldn't own it, or use it.

Money isn't good or evil - it's a tool. How it's used is what matters.

It's like, you can use a hammer to build a house, or bash someone's head in. The hammer itself is neutral.
Yes, this may be true, but those who sought after riches have pierced themselves thru with many sorrows. Also, the hoarding of money also shows that one does indeed love it. For one hoards that thing which they love. If you are a huge lover of sports, then you are going to hoard a bunch of sports stuff.
 
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A lot of people say money is neither good nor bad, but Jesus called it "unrighteous". The reason I believe is because it is not the "true" spiritual "riches" that are freely given to us by God. The "unrighteous" serves to minister to the things of the flesh and are temporal, but the "true" serves to minister to the things of the spirit and are eternal.

Luke 16:11
If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?

I really do not understand what you are trying to say

The Bible does not call anyone with wealth unrighteous

God has bless many with riches...including Abraham ... some consider him the father of our faith

You know, I don't think it is wise to go past what the Bible says. I think it is far more helpful to try and stay within the boundaries set by God and not add or even subtract from His word

I am sure you might agree with that
 
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Jesus said, where your treasure is, there will be your heart also. People lay up treasures upon this Earth not because they hate money or because they want to follow Jesus. People lay up treasure for themselves here on this Earth because they want their ..... "Best Life Now!"; And because they love money. For the rich are charged in 1 Timothy 6 to be willing to distribute what they have so........ that they may lay hold on eternal life. Meaning they do not have eternal life unless they are giving away all that wealth instead of hoarding it. For when we start to have fancy cars and mansions and expensive boats and tons of expensive jewelry and clothes, we are not really caring about the poor and or in devoting our resources properly to serving Jesus Christ. In other words, whatever thing a person loves, that thing is what they will focus on and thereby seek to obtain or keep such a thing (Thereby making it their object of affection instead of God). In other words, if a man is just focused on just the physical pleasure of women alone, he is going to have a lot of women in his life. If a man love Star Wars, he will collect Star Wars stuff, and dress up in Star Wars outfits, and hang out with other Star Wars fans that are just as passionate about Star Wars as he is.
Yes, Jesus did say that and in fact, I already mentionned what Jesus said regarding our hearts, but it does not hurt to hear it again.

You know, it sounds almost like you are telling us what to think...I'm sure you don't mean that...I was really hoping just to have more opportunity without 'preaching'


It would be a blessing if just the actual op were being discussed...

Here it is again just to refresh your memory:



Is the title of this thread actually true?

Someone in another thread made this statement and I thought it was a catchy thread title


so, is anyone honest? have you read I Tim 6? are you rich? do you serve God?

let's have some honest discussion here...

if you feel like it, you may also comment on the use of the word 'honest' as it appears in the title, because it
seems to imply that if you do not agree with that statement/title, then, you are not honest...hmmmmm
 
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Yes, this may be true, but those who sought after riches have pierced themselves thru with many sorrows. Also, the hoarding of money also shows that one does indeed love it. For one hoards that thing which they love. If you are a huge lover of sports, then you are going to hoard a bunch of sports stuff.
what do you think of the word honest as it appears in the title of the op?

do you believe a person is lying if they read I Tim 6 and decide it does not say that a person cannot serve God if they have money?

how would you describe your own thoughts after reading that chapter?

let's try to keep this thread on track
 
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Not at all.

You don't speak for Jesus...He speaks for Himself for all and to all who are His.

By His divine appointment, I do indeed belong to Him...He is mine and I am His.

You are derailing the thread with attempts at trying to state you speak for Jesus and no one else knows Him
 
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I really do not understand what you are trying to say

The Bible does not call anyone with wealth unrighteous

God has bless many with riches...including Abraham ... some consider him the father of our faith

You know, I don't think it is wise to go past what the Bible says. I think it is far more helpful to try and stay within the boundaries set by God and not add or even subtract from His word

I am sure you might agree with that
I thought I explained it rather clearly why Jesus put a difference between the "unrighteous" and "true" riches. Most the world seeks after the "unrighteous" rather than the "true".
 
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Not at all.

You don't speak for Jesus...He speaks for Himself for all and to all who are His.

By His divine appointment, I do indeed belong to Him...He is mine and I am His.

You are derailing the thread with attempts at trying to state you speak for Jesus and no one else knows Him
Jesus said it, not me. Are you also offended in the words of God?

Luke 16:11
If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?
 
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Please stop trying to bait me into having an arguement with you.

Are you simply not able to discuss the oP?

If you wish to have a different discussion, kindly start your own thread and please stop interfering in this onw

We are discussing I Timothy chapter 6...thank you
 
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Please stop trying to bait me into having an arguement with you.

Are you simply not able to discuss the oP?

If you wish to have a different discussion, kindly start your own thread and please stop interfering in this onw

We are discussing I Timothy chapter 6...thank you
You don't have to argue, just believe the words of the Lord. :)