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VW, you have such difficulty in receiving what others have to say and contribute in this area of prophecy, even when they do it in the love of God as Abiding has done. You get so troubled emotionally and in your mind and heart that you miss out on the benefits that God wants you to have through grace. Maybe you have grieved the Spirit with your understanding because you continually reject the truth and supply of the Spirit from others that truly have the Spirit and are not out to get you or persecute you. Isn't it possible that you have been blinded and God is trying to give you light to open your eyes so you can see? That would be the goodness of God at work and not rejection from others.
Eph 1:16-22 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
This is the prayer, the hope and the goodness of God to every believer, for themselves and for every member of the body of Christ.
Eph 1:16-22 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
This is the prayer, the hope and the goodness of God to every believer, for themselves and for every member of the body of Christ.
Tell me something Red, do you also believe that John's words in His letter were meant to show that the office of prophet has been done away with by God?
The entire idea is ridiculous on it's face. That we need not have anyone teach us to abide in Christ has absolutely nothing to do with the offices, but with the fact that the first thing that the Holy Spirit teaches us is to live in Jesus.
When we read the bible with a belief or doctrine already fixed in our mind, we will naturally see the words as supportive of our belief or doctrine. This is not how we should read scripture, ever! We should always read with prayer and meditation upon the Holy Spirit who is our Teacher, seeking what He would say to us through what we are reading. Any other practice cannot and will not lead us into truth. Even when reading the bible. I mean, how does living in Christ have anything to do with the offices of the Holy Spirit to the church either existing or having been done away with?
So just get off my back. You find fault with every single word I say. If I said that Jesus is Lord to the glory of the Father, (which He most definitely is,) you would find fault in that. You have found fault in every word I have written that you have deemed worthy of comment from you. Finding fault is not an attribute of the Holy Spirit, it is not one of the fruits listed as coming from God's love which is ours only by the Spirit.
The entire idea is ridiculous on it's face. That we need not have anyone teach us to abide in Christ has absolutely nothing to do with the offices, but with the fact that the first thing that the Holy Spirit teaches us is to live in Jesus.
When we read the bible with a belief or doctrine already fixed in our mind, we will naturally see the words as supportive of our belief or doctrine. This is not how we should read scripture, ever! We should always read with prayer and meditation upon the Holy Spirit who is our Teacher, seeking what He would say to us through what we are reading. Any other practice cannot and will not lead us into truth. Even when reading the bible. I mean, how does living in Christ have anything to do with the offices of the Holy Spirit to the church either existing or having been done away with?
So just get off my back. You find fault with every single word I say. If I said that Jesus is Lord to the glory of the Father, (which He most definitely is,) you would find fault in that. You have found fault in every word I have written that you have deemed worthy of comment from you. Finding fault is not an attribute of the Holy Spirit, it is not one of the fruits listed as coming from God's love which is ours only by the Spirit.
You misused the scripture in John to show what you believe. His words about the Holy Sporit being our teacher have nothing to do with the offices of the Holy Spirit being done away with.
How some people use scripture to their own ends, as though it belongs to them makes me ill in my spirit. Scripture is holy and pure and absolutely true as the words of God. They are not ours to use in any form or fashion. When I answer with scripture, it is always, always by the prompting and the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
The offices are for the maturing of the saints, until we all come to the unity that is in Jesus Christ.
Here is a news flash for you: we ain't there yet!
How some people use scripture to their own ends, as though it belongs to them makes me ill in my spirit. Scripture is holy and pure and absolutely true as the words of God. They are not ours to use in any form or fashion. When I answer with scripture, it is always, always by the prompting and the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
The offices are for the maturing of the saints, until we all come to the unity that is in Jesus Christ.
Here is a news flash for you: we ain't there yet!
There seems to be a common misconception among some on this site that I don't care for scripture, that I don't esteem scripture properly. Nothing could be further from the truth. I care more for scripture than those who accuse me of not caring!
It makes me mad in my spirit, stirred up and distressed when I see someone misuse scripture, not handling the words of God as they ought to be handled. We should never, ever make scripture fit what we believe. That is sin, and it only leads to delusion, which deepens and grows until we cannot see the truth at all.
Always, we must let God speak to us through scripture. Whenever we read, we must realize that the mind of the One who inspired these words is beyond anything we can imagine, with wisdom that is infinite. How can we understand this wisdom on our own? If anyone wants wisdom, (which requires that they first realize that they don't have any in the first place,) if they ask God, He will give freely to those who ask and do not doubt.
Let us learn of God, rather than try to tell Him what His words mean, huh?
It makes me mad in my spirit, stirred up and distressed when I see someone misuse scripture, not handling the words of God as they ought to be handled. We should never, ever make scripture fit what we believe. That is sin, and it only leads to delusion, which deepens and grows until we cannot see the truth at all.
Always, we must let God speak to us through scripture. Whenever we read, we must realize that the mind of the One who inspired these words is beyond anything we can imagine, with wisdom that is infinite. How can we understand this wisdom on our own? If anyone wants wisdom, (which requires that they first realize that they don't have any in the first place,) if they ask God, He will give freely to those who ask and do not doubt.
Let us learn of God, rather than try to tell Him what His words mean, huh?
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alright VW so you talking in a broad general term with the vagueness that is your unique signature.
just realize that most who speak back to you also think they are hearing the Holy Spirit and He is giving them revelations concerning His written word.
back to the subject on hand.
what do you think the role of apostles are and have you meet any in your life?
just realize that most who speak back to you also think they are hearing the Holy Spirit and He is giving them revelations concerning His written word.
back to the subject on hand.
what do you think the role of apostles are and have you meet any in your life?
This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me.
Joh 21:20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?
Joh 21:21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?
Joh 21:22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.
Joh 21:23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?
Joh 21:24 This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.
Joh 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
I do not mean to sabbotage the thread, but what about this scripture... I believe this APOSTLE is alive today, and He will be alive when Jesus comes again. I believe this becasue Jesus NEVER suggested something if He did not follow it through either...And we know this is true, because not ALL Jesus did is written down. That does not mean it did not happen, it only means it is NOT written down. And one of those things is... The Apostle John is still alive today... His secret for not looking 2000 years plus old... An annointing not from this world...
Joh 21:20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?
Joh 21:21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?
Joh 21:22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.
Joh 21:23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?
Joh 21:24 This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.
Joh 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
I do not mean to sabbotage the thread, but what about this scripture... I believe this APOSTLE is alive today, and He will be alive when Jesus comes again. I believe this becasue Jesus NEVER suggested something if He did not follow it through either...And we know this is true, because not ALL Jesus did is written down. That does not mean it did not happen, it only means it is NOT written down. And one of those things is... The Apostle John is still alive today... His secret for not looking 2000 years plus old... An annointing not from this world...
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i didn't ask if you believed in apostles or prophets or how long they would remain with us.
i ask what you thought Apostles did and if you meet any.
are you reading my words are do you have preprogramed answers?
here are the words again "back to the subject on hand.
what do you think the role of apostles are and have you meet any in your life?"
how does your response answer either question?
i ask what you thought Apostles did and if you meet any.
are you reading my words are do you have preprogramed answers?
here are the words again "back to the subject on hand.
what do you think the role of apostles are and have you meet any in your life?"
how does your response answer either question?
TAKE NOTE OF THE NEW TERM:
the offices of the Holy Spirit
documentation please?
Apostolic and prophetic offices (gifts) given to men at the Ascension and Pentecost were foundational offices of PARTIAL revelatory Power for the founding of the church and the delivering of the fully revealed will of God in canon. contained in the inspired scriptures is all that is required for THE RECEIVING OF SAVING FAITH and the Christian Life when delivered by the DUNAMIS of the Holy Spirit....YOU'RE NOT NEEDED FOR THAT.
INVENTING NEW TERIMINOLOGY OVERNIGHT will NOT HELP YOU.
NO MORE PROPHETS - GET OVER IT
(no matter how disgusting you get in your mishandling of the texts and intention and will of God to justify your ungodly mystical practises and words...you ain't a prophet. YOU ARE IN BIG TROUBLE)
anyone who listens to you or seeks any truth whatsoever in what you say deserves what they get.
the offices of the Holy Spirit
documentation please?
Apostolic and prophetic offices (gifts) given to men at the Ascension and Pentecost were foundational offices of PARTIAL revelatory Power for the founding of the church and the delivering of the fully revealed will of God in canon. contained in the inspired scriptures is all that is required for THE RECEIVING OF SAVING FAITH and the Christian Life when delivered by the DUNAMIS of the Holy Spirit....YOU'RE NOT NEEDED FOR THAT.
INVENTING NEW TERIMINOLOGY OVERNIGHT will NOT HELP YOU.
NO MORE PROPHETS - GET OVER IT
(no matter how disgusting you get in your mishandling of the texts and intention and will of God to justify your ungodly mystical practises and words...you ain't a prophet. YOU ARE IN BIG TROUBLE)
anyone who listens to you or seeks any truth whatsoever in what you say deserves what they get.
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just amazing.
why don't you take off your prophet t-shirt and get serious and follow your own advice?
repent VW. serious.
what part of this do you NOT GET?:
Deuteronomy 29:29
The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law.
diviniation is ILLEGAL.
why don't you take off your prophet t-shirt and get serious and follow your own advice?
repent VW. serious.
what part of this do you NOT GET?:
Deuteronomy 29:29
The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law.
diviniation is ILLEGAL.
welll you believe wrong.
it ain't hard to figure out.
a 5 year old can understand it.
unless they've bought into the Latter Rain garbage.
and are walking after sensuality and the flesh, not the Spirit.
2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition....
Latter Rain Directory
The modern day prophet and apostle movement in the Church
What is the Latter Rain teaching? Today a revival of the Latter Rain heresy that was rejected in 1950 by the assembly of God denomination has resurfaced and invaded the Church incorporating a paradigm shift in Christian ministries. What is it and who is involved? This section is to guide those who are not familiar (or are) with the terms and meanings of this new revivalism occurring inside the Church, and what will it mean to embrace these teachings.
http://letusreason.org/Latradir.htm
it ain't hard to figure out.
a 5 year old can understand it.
unless they've bought into the Latter Rain garbage.
and are walking after sensuality and the flesh, not the Spirit.
2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition....
Latter Rain Directory
The modern day prophet and apostle movement in the Church
What is the Latter Rain teaching? Today a revival of the Latter Rain heresy that was rejected in 1950 by the assembly of God denomination has resurfaced and invaded the Church incorporating a paradigm shift in Christian ministries. What is it and who is involved? This section is to guide those who are not familiar (or are) with the terms and meanings of this new revivalism occurring inside the Church, and what will it mean to embrace these teachings.
http://letusreason.org/Latradir.htm
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Ironically......or more fitting ......sadly,..... this seems a common practice amongst those likeminded with you Cobus. "Let's put our faith in those things of God that aren't written down".....in His divinely inspired Word for us. " We can know much more than what is written by accessing the spirit" . And only those "open and willing" are granted access. No thanks.
PROPHETS?
Pyromaniacs: Open Letter to Mark Driscoll
CESSATIONISM ATTACKED BY MYSTICS, DEFENDED BY FRANK TURK.
people who CARE enough will give this the time and attention it deserves.
those who don't, won't.
just see if you recognize THE JARGON AND ISMS.
Pyromaniacs: Open Letter to Mark Driscoll
CESSATIONISM ATTACKED BY MYSTICS, DEFENDED BY FRANK TURK.
people who CARE enough will give this the time and attention it deserves.
those who don't, won't.
just see if you recognize THE JARGON AND ISMS.
Not receiving from others is not an attribute of a humble and contrite heart that only the Holy Spirit can teach. You get upset when others bring something in your life that you have forsaken for something else you have considered greater and that disturbs you and you become inwardly reactionary and negative. Do you think that your sanctification has come to a place of perfection in the presence of God and in hearing God's voice that puts you above and makes you untouchable from others that just might hear from God who could help you grow in grace and knowledge of Christ that you seem to resist? Perhaps when you resist, it is the Holy Spirit you are resisting and not some man made ideology of circular reasoning that comes from the scriptures and from those who you consider and accuse of practicing idolatry of the word. I'm not on your back but I am in your face (face to face).