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Mr. dcon... how have you viewed Rev 17:6 with regards to Babylon, Long Island being the "Mystery Babylon" since this city certainly cannot be drunk with the blood of the saints?
It has always been a blend.....geopolitical with religious..........it is God's judgment upon the culmination of Western Gentile world power that has been BLENDED with the culmination of the Mystery religion that began with GENTILE world power, the IMAGE of NEBUCHADNEZZAR and the worship of a MAN as god.....and GOD places it upon the heart and mind of the 10 HORNS to BURN HER with fire..........

Now think about this......the entire RADICAL ISLAMIC world hates CHRISTIANS.......and who do they view as the BIG SATAN

I will again NOTE......the WORLD council of FALSE churches MEET in N.Y......do you think anyone with the truth is there?
 
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It has always been a blend.....geopolitical with religious..........it is God's judgment upon the culmination of Western Gentile world power that has been BLENDED with the culmination of the Mystery religion that began with GENTILE world power, the IMAGE of NEBUCHADNEZZAR and the worship of a MAN as god.....and GOD places it upon the heart and mind of the 10 HORNS to BURN HER with fire..........

Now think about this......the entire RADICAL ISLAMIC world hates CHRISTIANS.......and who do they view as the BIG SATAN

I will again NOTE......the WORLD council of FALSE churches MEET in N.Y......do you think anyone with the truth is there?
Well I find you ideas intriguing, not sure about Islam being the key player, although they definitely have a part to play ..... I will only PM why I think otherwise someday when I have my thoughts more organized.
 
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Why I no longer believe the 70th week needs 7 years to be fulfilled...........

a. The Beast makes war against the SAINTS of THE MOST HIGH and wears them out, overcomes and prevails against them for 3.5 years
b. The LITTLE HORN of DANIEL which is the BEAST of REVELATION is described as doing the same thing for 3.5 years
c. The three witnesses witness for 3.5 years and are KILLED then taken to heaven (To make the 1st resurrection this MUST happen BEFORE the RESURRECTION) Blessed is he that HATH PART in the 1st RESURRECTION
d. DANIEL 12 tells us CLEARLY that there are yet 1335 days LEFT when the GREAT TRIBULATION kicks off

NO where does it say the final time period is 7 years.....they say peace and safety....SUDDEN destruction.....<---that does not sound like 3.5 years to me.......

My view......

70th week....7 year period broken down in the following way.....

1185 days <---Ministry of JESUS
30 days PEACE <--sudden destruction
1260 Days of Great Tribulation that Christ must intercede in or NO FLESH is LEFT ALIVE<--PAUL we which are ALIVE and REMAIN
45 days of actual wrath

1333 plus 1185 = 7 years of 360 day years.....WHY do I believe that.....the math above

3.5 years is described as 1260 days, 42 months or a time, times and dividing of time

Regardless of ANY and ALL calendars the above math = 360 day years........

That is my view....I no longer buy the 7 year period that was pushed in almost every church I have been in.....and hardly any pay attention to the above equations given in the bible....
 
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Well I find you ideas intriguing, not sure about Islam being the key player, although they definitely have a part to play ..... I will only PM why I think otherwise someday when I have my thoughts more organized.
That's ok.....on three monotheistic religions on the planet and the head of the predominant so called Christian religion is gathering ALL false so called Christian religions under one banner and their VICAR (last three) have bowed the knee to and KISSED the KORAN which shows submission......and ONLY one religion whacks your head off for a refusal to BOW and take their IDENTIFYING MARK
 
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That's ok.....on three monotheistic religions on the planet and the head of the predominant so called Christian religion is gathering ALL false so called Christian religions under one banner and their VICAR (last three) have bowed the knee to and KISSED the KORAN which shows submission......and ONLY one religion whacks your head off for a refusal to BOW and take their IDENTIFYING MARK
Well there is more than meets the eye on the head chopping thing .... ...but this debate will have to wait.
 
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Allah is a false god, so there is no power there to help the religion of Islam in their endeavor to conquer the world with their religion.

Europe, and America, have their own thing going on, and their own agenda, and way more powerful than the Arab nations, and the religion of Islam in modern day weapons, and planes, and ships, and military might.

Now how is Islam going to control the world for the worship of Allah, especially when a lot of the world view them as terrorists, and trouble makers, and will not give heed to them.

Dan 2:34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
Dan 2:35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

King Nebuchadnezzar had a dream of an image of a man, gold, Babylon, silver, Medo-Persia, brass, Greece, and the Roman Empire, iron.

All 4 kingdoms have not fallen yet until Jesus hits the toes of the image, and then they all fall, for as long as their ways are on earth their kingdom has not fallen.

And it is the Roman Empire that has the last dominion.

Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

In Daniel 7 Daniel had a vision of the same 4 beasts that were different than each other.

Babylon, lion, represents the kingdom of man, the occult, human religion.

Medo-Persia, bear, represents physical cruelty.

Greece, leopard, represents human wisdom.

Roman Empire, iron, represents pushing for power, world domination, which 10 horns shall come from the Roman Empire, which is the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section, which they shall devour the whole earth, tread it down, and break it in pieces, world domination, which the little horn comes from the 10 horns that came from the Roman Empire, and the prince to come shall come from the people that overthrew Jerusalem, the Roman Empire.

The Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus puts her down, and even though the nations are together, the dominion is the Roman Empire.

The first 3 kingdoms had their dominion taken away, but their ways are still on earth, and Babylon in Revelation is in spirit for the beast kingdom is the kingdom of man, and of the occult, nature worship.

For Babylon(Iraq) will never have physical dominion again, and Medo-Persia(Iran) will never have physical dominion again, and neither will Greece.

The Roman Empire has the dominion until Jesus puts down the world, and they shall devour the whole earth, tread upon it, and break it in pieces.

So where does Islam fit in with that, for it is the Roman Empire, and their plan, and they do not care about Islam, and neither does the Pope, for their plan does not include fundamental Christianity, Islam, or Judaism.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

The new age movement and their false interpretation of the Bible, based on the occult, nature worship, and evolution, and people can still evolve to be greater, and spiritual, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher, and a step in the evolutionary process, and love, and an ascended master, and avatar, and do not acknowledge a personal God, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher in the evolutionary process.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

The New Age Christ, man of sin, the beast, will not acknowledge any God, and not regard the God of his fathers, and not regard any god, for he does not worship any God, and will exalt himself above all that is called God, or is worshipped.

There is no God Allah at the beast kingdom, for they do not acknowledge any god, but the beast kingdom is about the occult, and evolution, and no god worshipped there, but all about people, and their exaltation to be greater, and spiritual.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The new age movement is the future for this sinful world, and will pave the way to the beast kingdom for all people who do not love God.

And the time will come that the world will not accept the truth of the Bible, but want to hear the Bible according to the new age movement.

The beast kingdom is about the new age movement, and the exaltation of people with no higher power above them.

And they do not worship any God, for where does Allah, and Islam fit in to that, for Islam would never accept the new age movement, which is why the world attacks them, and they are taken down before the beast kingdom comes about, for they will go against them for their belief in a personal God, Allah.

There is no Islam, and Allah, at the beast kingdom, and the Roman Empire has the dominion, and none of the Arab nations will ever have dominion again, and will not have any power to rule over other people, and the new age movement is a Roman Empire plan.

The Pope does not care about Islam, but he is only siding with them because he wants all religions to come together, and he has to give them special attention because they are the most stubborn of the religions.

For when a Pope to come puts out the new age movement, and that interpretation of the Bible, and does not claim Jesus as Lord and Savior, but still an important figure in the evolutionary process, the Buddhists, and Hinduists, and other religions like that will have no problem following the Pope, so the Pope does not have to give them so much attention.

But Islam is more stubborn, and he wants all religions to come together, but the Pope does not care about Allah, or fundamental Islam, but they are slowly putting out the new age movement that acknowledges no personal God, but all about evolution.

The Bible plainly states that the Roman Empire has the dominion until Jesus puts them down, and they shall devour the whole earth, and tread it down, and break it in pieces, and the new age movement will pave the way to be beast kingdom, and the beast kingdom is the kingdom of man, the occult, evolution, that does not worship any God.

So where does Islam, and Allah fit in.

They do not.

The world will clash with Islam before the beast kingdom comes about, WW3, and then the world will accept the New Age Christ, and follow the beast kingdom.

WW1, League of Nations, WW2, United Nations, WW3, the beast kingdom.

Islam, and Allah, have nothing to do with the beast kingdom, and the Roman Empire has the dominion, and the Pope does not care about Islam, or Allah, but is deceiving them to come together with the other nations.

The new age movement is the beginning of the end for the wicked, and will pave the way to the beast kingdom, and has nothing to do with Islam, or Allah.
 
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Allah is a false god, so there is no power there to help the religion of Islam in their endeavor to conquer the world with their religion.

Europe, and America, have their own thing going on, and their own agenda, and way more powerful than the Arab nations, and the religion of Islam in modern day weapons, and planes, and ships, and military might.

Now how is Islam going to control the world for the worship of Allah, especially when a lot of the world view them as terrorists, and trouble makers, and will not give heed to them.

Dan 2:34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
Dan 2:35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

King Nebuchadnezzar had a dream of an image of a man, gold, Babylon, silver, Medo-Persia, brass, Greece, and the Roman Empire, iron.

All 4 kingdoms have not fallen yet until Jesus hits the toes of the image, and then they all fall, for as long as their ways are on earth their kingdom has not fallen.

And it is the Roman Empire that has the last dominion.

Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

In Daniel 7 Daniel had a vision of the same 4 beasts that were different than each other.

Babylon, lion, represents the kingdom of man, the occult, human religion.

Medo-Persia, bear, represents physical cruelty.

Greece, leopard, represents human wisdom.

Roman Empire, iron, represents pushing for power, world domination, which 10 horns shall come from the Roman Empire, which is the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section, which they shall devour the whole earth, tread it down, and break it in pieces, world domination, which the little horn comes from the 10 horns that came from the Roman Empire, and the prince to come shall come from the people that overthrew Jerusalem, the Roman Empire.

The Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus puts her down, and even though the nations are together, the dominion is the Roman Empire.

The first 3 kingdoms had their dominion taken away, but their ways are still on earth, and Babylon in Revelation is in spirit for the beast kingdom is the kingdom of man, and of the occult, nature worship.

For Babylon(Iraq) will never have physical dominion again, and Medo-Persia(Iran) will never have physical dominion again, and neither will Greece.

The Roman Empire has the dominion until Jesus puts down the world, and they shall devour the whole earth, tread upon it, and break it in pieces.

So where does Islam fit in with that, for it is the Roman Empire, and their plan, and they do not care about Islam, and neither does the Pope, for their plan does not include fundamental Christianity, Islam, or Judaism.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

The new age movement and their false interpretation of the Bible, based on the occult, nature worship, and evolution, and people can still evolve to be greater, and spiritual, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher, and a step in the evolutionary process, and love, and an ascended master, and avatar, and do not acknowledge a personal God, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher in the evolutionary process.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

The New Age Christ, man of sin, the beast, will not acknowledge any God, and not regard the God of his fathers, and not regard any god, for he does not worship any God, and will exalt himself above all that is called God, or is worshipped.

There is no God Allah at the beast kingdom, for they do not acknowledge any god, but the beast kingdom is about the occult, and evolution, and no god worshipped there, but all about people, and their exaltation to be greater, and spiritual.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The new age movement is the future for this sinful world, and will pave the way to the beast kingdom for all people who do not love God.

And the time will come that the world will not accept the truth of the Bible, but want to hear the Bible according to the new age movement.

The beast kingdom is about the new age movement, and the exaltation of people with no higher power above them.

And they do not worship any God, for where does Allah, and Islam fit in to that, for Islam would never accept the new age movement, which is why the world attacks them, and they are taken down before the beast kingdom comes about, for they will go against them for their belief in a personal God, Allah.

There is no Islam, and Allah, at the beast kingdom, and the Roman Empire has the dominion, and none of the Arab nations will ever have dominion again, and will not have any power to rule over other people, and the new age movement is a Roman Empire plan.

The Pope does not care about Islam, but he is only siding with them because he wants all religions to come together, and he has to give them special attention because they are the most stubborn of the religions.

For when a Pope to come puts out the new age movement, and that interpretation of the Bible, and does not claim Jesus as Lord and Savior, but still an important figure in the evolutionary process, the Buddhists, and Hinduists, and other religions like that will have no problem following the Pope, so the Pope does not have to give them so much attention.

But Islam is more stubborn, and he wants all religions to come together, but the Pope does not care about Allah, or fundamental Islam, but they are slowly putting out the new age movement that acknowledges no personal God, but all about evolution.

The Bible plainly states that the Roman Empire has the dominion until Jesus puts them down, and they shall devour the whole earth, and tread it down, and break it in pieces, and the new age movement will pave the way to be beast kingdom, and the beast kingdom is the kingdom of man, the occult, evolution, that does not worship any God.

So where does Islam, and Allah fit in.

They do not.

The world will clash with Islam before the beast kingdom comes about, WW3, and then the world will accept the New Age Christ, and follow the beast kingdom.

WW1, League of Nations, WW2, United Nations, WW3, the beast kingdom.

Islam, and Allah, have nothing to do with the beast kingdom, and the Roman Empire has the dominion, and the Pope does not care about Islam, or Allah, but is deceiving them to come together with the other nations.

The new age movement is the beginning of the end for the wicked, and will pave the way to the beast kingdom, and has nothing to do with Islam, or Allah.
Your first line tells me that you have no idea of what you are talking about and no need to even read any further......

Over 50 Muslim majority nations and over 1.2 billion converts and growing every day......

and your second to last LINE is idiotic......the last three POPES have bowed to and KISSED the KORAN

Do me a favor....have some actual facts that supports what you say for once.......
 
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Why I no longer believe the 70th week needs 7 years to be fulfilled...........

a. The Beast makes war against the SAINTS of THE MOST HIGH and wears them out, overcomes and prevails against them for 3.5 years
b. The LITTLE HORN of DANIEL which is the BEAST of REVELATION is described as doing the same thing for 3.5 years
c. The three witnesses witness for 3.5 years and are KILLED then taken to heaven (To make the 1st resurrection this MUST happen BEFORE the RESURRECTION) Blessed is he that HATH PART in the 1st RESURRECTION
d. DANIEL 12 tells us CLEARLY that there are yet 1335 days LEFT when the GREAT TRIBULATION kicks off

NO where does it say the final time period is 7 years.....they say peace and safety....SUDDEN destruction.....<---that does not sound like 3.5 years to me.......

My view......

70th week....7 year period broken down in the following way.....

1185 days <---Ministry of JESUS
30 days PEACE <--sudden destruction
1260 Days of Great Tribulation that Christ must intercede in or NO FLESH is LEFT ALIVE<--PAUL we which are ALIVE and REMAIN
45 days of actual wrath

1333 plus 1185 = 7 years of 360 day years.....WHY do I believe that.....the math above

3.5 years is described as 1260 days, 42 months or a time, times and dividing of time

Regardless of ANY and ALL calendars the above math = 360 day years........

That is my view....I no longer buy the 7 year period that was pushed in almost every church I have been in.....and hardly any pay attention to the above equations given in the bible....
Well, we are making progress...no imminent rapture, no pretrib rapture, no seven year tribulation.... okay just having some fun :) its a slow night at work
 

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Since you are reletively new here. And did not experience the extreme hate filled rants of amillenials against dispensationals. (Talk to anyone who was here back then and you will see how many times people like me were said to be unsaved because of our belief in this area) I will consider you ignorant of what I was talking about.

One thing about me and people should see. When I see something like this which could be considered offensive to many people. I stand up. It does not matter what side you are on. Because otherwise I would be a hypocrite. Is that what I should be?
EG - you are here. That means God has a purpose for you. Find out what it is and stop making all your posts about you. dc is trying to share some insight with us and you keep badgering him about not wanting your opinion.

This is NOT about you, it is about the Kingdom of God that is coming to the Earth and we need to be wise and understand the times. So, stop it, and humbly take everything dc is sharing before the Lord, your God in prayer and ask for understanding.

I mean you no ill. Just, stop making everything about you. Listen more, criticize less. :love:(y)
 

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I do not believe the US is the restrainer.......and I do not believe it is the Holy Spirit either......
Hello dc,

True, it is not the US or the Holy Spirit. The only one that can restrain is the one with authority and power over Satan. Who do you think that is?

We know all power and authority was given to Yeshua/Jesus by the Father and to His disciples, He gave power and authority.

Never do I read scriptures where the Holy Spirit is given power and authority over the Earth. Yeshua/Jesus walked on this Earth with a human body and referred to Judas as the Son of Perdition......

Those that are going to operate with power and authority on this Earth will need a human body. Thus, enters the anti-Christ - the human body that Satan can possess and operate in - just like Judas with Christ.

Also, thus enters the Bride of Christ having a human body, although many members yet, human and given power and authority in the Name of Yeshua/Jesus.

According to scripture only two humans are referred to as the Son of Perdition - Judas and the antiChrist.
 

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Why I no longer believe the 70th week needs 7 years to be fulfilled...........

a. The Beast makes war against the SAINTS of THE MOST HIGH and wears them out, overcomes and prevails against them for 3.5 years
b. The LITTLE HORN of DANIEL which is the BEAST of REVELATION is described as doing the same thing for 3.5 years
c. The three witnesses witness for 3.5 years and are KILLED then taken to heaven (To make the 1st resurrection this MUST happen BEFORE the RESURRECTION) Blessed is he that HATH PART in the 1st RESURRECTION
d. DANIEL 12 tells us CLEARLY that there are yet 1335 days LEFT when the GREAT TRIBULATION kicks off

NO where does it say the final time period is 7 years.....they say peace and safety....SUDDEN destruction.....<---that does not sound like 3.5 years to me.......

My view......

70th week....7 year period broken down in the following way.....

1185 days <---Ministry of JESUS
30 days PEACE <--sudden destruction
1260 Days of Great Tribulation that Christ must intercede in or NO FLESH is LEFT ALIVE<--PAUL we which are ALIVE and REMAIN
45 days of actual wrath

1333 plus 1185 = 7 years of 360 day years.....WHY do I believe that.....the math above

3.5 years is described as 1260 days, 42 months or a time, times and dividing of time

Regardless of ANY and ALL calendars the above math = 360 day years........

That is my view....I no longer buy the 7 year period that was pushed in almost every church I have been in.....and hardly any pay attention to the above equations given in the bible....
dc, you are correct. Many will argue but, you are correct. The anti-Christ will only have 3 1/2 years - the same as Christ - Yeshua/Jesus.

It is also my understanding that the anti-Christ will mirror the Christ meaning........

The false prophet will be his second cousin and conceived 6 months prior to him.

The false prophet and the anti-Christ's mothers will be cousins.

There will be an astrological sign at the birth of the anti-christ.

There will be a slaughter of children within 2 years after his birth.

At 12 years old the anti-christ will be taken over by Satan because he is to be about his father's business.

The anti-christ will enter the public arena at the age of 30 years old.

The false prophet, his second cousin will announce the anti-christ publicly.

The anti-christ will only have 3 1/2 years to accomplish what he is to do.

NOTE: When there was a big scare about the end of the world because of the mayan calendar ending December 2012, I wondered if this was the "magi following the Bethlehem star." Meaning, is this the astrological sign that the anti-christ is born?

If yes, then the false prophet was born June of 2012. Add 33 1/2 years, takes you to 2045.

The scriptures say we won't know the day or hour......we may know the year.....:unsure:
 
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For almost 30 years now I have intensively studied the end.....I have poured thousands of hours into the study of the rise and fall of Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and what Rome devolves into and then produces when it is IRON mixed with Clay....As I have studied the false gods associated with said kingdoms as well as the MEN that were chosen to lead the above mentioned KINGDOMS....one thing that began to stand out was the process they all went through which transformed them from mere men to Kings, Pharaohs, and Caesars with the ultimate goal of being worshiped as a god......this process became to be known as APOTHEOSIS or ABOVE GOD........Now what I have learned can be summed up in the following truths....

a. Satan told JESUS that ALL the KINGDOMS of the earth belong to him and he gives them to who he wills...Matthew 4:8-9, Luke 4:8-8
b. The kingdoms and leaders of the world either knowingly or ignorantly are involved in a mass conspiracy against God...Psalm 2
c. The false gods worshiped were real entities based upon what JESUS told the church at Pergamos...Revelation 2:13 <---Throne of ZEUS was located in Pergamos <--SATAN being ZEUS
d. Satan was Horus in Egypt, was BEL in Assyria, was Marduke in Babylon, was Merodach in Persia, was Jupiter then Zeus in GREECE, was ZEUS in ROME......and I will ADD ONE at the end of this thread.....
e. SATAN has been continually attempting to bring about the worship of himself in a MAN from day one......this concept took a whole new twist when Alexander the GREAT claimed to be the SON of ZEUS or the SON of GOD.........

I find this whole concept very deep as this is the final GOAL of Satan........and the ONLY reason this has not come to fruition is two fold.....

a. It is NOT time
b. God has hindered it because of A

NOW..........three observations I will make..........

1. I have concluded by the verbiage of 2nd Thessalonians 2 that it is time itself that is restraining the rise of the Man of SIN, the SON of PERDITION....Translate the words from the GREEK -->Only he that now letteth will let until he be taken out of the way. There is NOT one ounce of proof that it is the Holy Spirit and said SPIRIT being removed that causes this to take place even though that is the "GO TO" explanation ALWAYS GIVEN......

2. DID you all KNOW the capitol DOME in Washington D.C. portrays the APOTHEOSIS of GEORGE WASHINGTON? Probably NOT......Google it and stand amazed at this GENTILE world power that never was a so called Christian nation..........

3. I believe, based upon study, that the god who will be scrutinized, recognized, peddled, increased and forced to worship in the end by the BEAST and FALSE prophet will be ALLAH.......the 10 horns that arise will get conquered by the little horn as he conquers 3 of the 10 and will ultimately bring about the destruction of WESTERN GENTILE world power. THIS will lead to the 8th and final KINGDOM to rule over the MIDDLE EAST/WORLD and this kingdom will be ISLAMIC in nature and they will force the worship of their false god or lose your head........BOLDED -->words used in DANIEL........

I am fully persuaded of the above....I will not argue it......and I will gladly ALLOW the end to come and come what may.................

Greeting dcontroversial,

It is a grievous study no doubt! To weigh all of the praise and historical significance given to "founding fathers" of our nation and all of the awe and reverence we were taught to hold for them...I think the single most clarifying revelation I have had regarding the dichotomy/ night and day differences between the "kingdoms of this earth" and the "Kingdom of Heaven" was when I began to immerse myself in the scriptures and received a vision of God and Jesus and how Humble they are! Where the kingdoms of the earth honor strength and power the Kingdom of Heaven honors meekness and lowliness! Where this world honors wealth and achievement the kingdom of Heaven honors the poor and obscure! I began to recognize that I viewed my Savior and God through the corrupted perspective of this present evil world. However, as I read over and over admonitions such as;
Matthew 18:3-4 NIV And he said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. (4) Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 23:11 NIV The greatest among you will be your servant.

Luke 22:24-27 NIV Also a dispute arose among them as to which of them was considered to be greatest. (25) Jesus said to them, "The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors. (26) But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves. (27) For who is greater, the one who is at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who is at the table? But I am among you as one who serves.

I recognize that the corrupting perspective of this present evil world too often purges from our memory the chief admonition from Jesus, the gateway into His steps which is;

Matthew 11:29 NIV Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.

Is this the true gateway to "apotheosis"? If there is any way to become "god-like" is would be through "self-abnegation" where we give up our selves that God may be "all in all". Then perhaps there would be some resemblance to God since we are surrendered to Him! But as a servant, emptied of all self interest and promotion we wold never think to bring any attention to ourselves. If we abase ourselves it would be God who would exalt us. (Matt 23:12). Did George Washington have this spirit? I cannot say. Did God exalt and commemorate his service to His Kingdom upon the rotunda ceiling? Is God glorified in it? The answer is there.

All I can say for sure is that this world is fading away and as Jesus taught us to pray; "....Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done" and knowing He was/is "meek and lowly" which are the signs of power in the "world to come" I see little in the boisterous, calamitous world that resembles it. I look for the poor and obscure, "the still small voice". God bless your studies and thank you for sharing.
 
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Hello dc,

True, it is not the US or the Holy Spirit. The only one that can restrain is the one with authority and power over Satan. Who do you think that is?

We know all power and authority was given to Yeshua/Jesus by the Father and to His disciples, He gave power and authority.

Never do I read scriptures where the Holy Spirit is given power and authority over the Earth. Yeshua/Jesus walked on this Earth with a human body and referred to Judas as the Son of Perdition......

Those that are going to operate with power and authority on this Earth will need a human body. Thus, enters the anti-Christ - the human body that Satan can possess and operate in - just like Judas with Christ.

Also, thus enters the Bride of Christ having a human body, although many members yet, human and given power and authority in the Name of Yeshua/Jesus.

According to scripture only two humans are referred to as the Son of Perdition - Judas and the antiChrist.
Yeah I have come to a different view based upon the words given in the text.....Satan has been attempting this from day one and it has been hindered by God because it was not yet time for it to come to fruition.....Can the MAN of SIN, the SON of Perdition as described as the 1st beast, Little Horn, Anti-Christ come on the scene or stand up if he is NOT here yet? NO.....My view....Satan will be and is the power behind the man....Satan will not relinquish that power until that man comes on the scene and stands up........I believe it is that simple of a truth......based upon the verbiage used.....
 
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dc, you are correct. Many will argue but, you are correct. The anti-Christ will only have 3 1/2 years - the same as Christ - Yeshua/Jesus.

It is also my understanding that the anti-Christ will mirror the Christ meaning........

The false prophet will be his second cousin and conceived 6 months prior to him.

The false prophet and the anti-Christ's mothers will be cousins.

There will be an astrological sign at the birth of the anti-christ.

There will be a slaughter of children within 2 years after his birth.

At 12 years old the anti-christ will be taken over by Satan because he is to be about his father's business.

The anti-christ will enter the public arena at the age of 30 years old.

The false prophet, his second cousin will announce the anti-christ publicly.

The anti-christ will only have 3 1/2 years to accomplish what he is to do.

NOTE: When there was a big scare about the end of the world because of the mayan calendar ending December 2012, I wondered if this was the "magi following the Bethlehem star." Meaning, is this the astrological sign that the anti-christ is born?

If yes, then the false prophet was born June of 2012. Add 33 1/2 years, takes you to 2045.

The scriptures say we won't know the day or hour......we may know the year.....:unsure:
Interesting concepts for sure........a little different twist.........I believe the Pope will be the False Prophet that points to and makes the image of the Beast and one thing overlooked by quite a few people......

When John writes Revelation he makes the following statement about the 1st Beast

Was <---past tense
Is not <---Present tense when written
Shall ascend out of the pit <----Future tense

Exactly why I believe the verbiage of 2nd Thessalonians tells us it is time and Satan retaining the power until he ARISES....

Aspect two and why I view the Pope as the false prophet....He has two horns, one higher than the other......in my view this represents a reunified Roman Catholic (Higher Horn) and Greek Orthodox or Eastern Branch (Smaller Horn) religion.....NOTE.....the current Pope has done the following....

a. Bowed to and kissed the Koran while attempting to unify the two biggest monotheistic religions
b. Has been meeting with top religious so called Christian leaders and top Orthodox Jewish leaders with top Muslim leaders
c. Attempting to reunify both Western and Eastern Catholics under one banner
 
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Greeting dcontroversial,

It is a grievous study no doubt! To weigh all of the praise and historical significance given to "founding fathers" of our nation and all of the awe and reverence we were taught to hold for them...I think the single most clarifying revelation I have had regarding the dichotomy/ night and day differences between the "kingdoms of this earth" and the "Kingdom of Heaven" was when I began to immerse myself in the scriptures and received a vision of God and Jesus and how Humble they are! Where the kingdoms of the earth honor strength and power the Kingdom of Heaven honors meekness and lowliness! Where this world honors wealth and achievement the kingdom of Heaven honors the poor and obscure! I began to recognize that I viewed my Savior and God through the corrupted perspective of this present evil world. However, as I read over and over admonitions such as;
Matthew 18:3-4 NIV And he said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. (4) Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 23:11 NIV The greatest among you will be your servant.

Luke 22:24-27 NIV Also a dispute arose among them as to which of them was considered to be greatest. (25) Jesus said to them, "The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors. (26) But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves. (27) For who is greater, the one who is at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who is at the table? But I am among you as one who serves.

I recognize that the corrupting perspective of this present evil world too often purges from our memory the chief admonition from Jesus, the gateway into His steps which is;

Matthew 11:29 NIV Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.

Is this the true gateway to "apotheosis"? If there is any way to become "god-like" is would be through "self-abnegation" where we give up our selves that God may be "all in all". Then perhaps there would be some resemblance to God since we are surrendered to Him! But as a servant, emptied of all self interest and promotion we wold never think to bring any attention to ourselves. If we abase ourselves it would be God who would exalt us. (Matt 23:12). Did George Washington have this spirit? I cannot say. Did God exalt and commemorate his service to His Kingdom upon the rotunda ceiling? Is God glorified in it? The answer is there.

All I can say for sure is that this world is fading away and as Jesus taught us to pray; "....Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done" and knowing He was/is "meek and lowly" which are the signs of power in the "world to come" I see little in the boisterous, calamitous world that resembles it. I look for the poor and obscure, "the still small voice". God bless your studies and thank you for sharing.
I have said that true biblical Christianity is to put everyone else first and yourself last............even in prayer we often lift our needs up selfishly.....Jesus told us that the heavenly Father already knows what we need and to just pray...thy will be done...........thanks for the input.......
 
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It has always been a blend.....geopolitical with religious..........it is God's judgment upon the culmination of Western Gentile world power that has been BLENDED with the culmination of the Mystery religion that began with GENTILE world power, the IMAGE of NEBUCHADNEZZAR and the worship of a MAN as god.....and GOD places it upon the heart and mind of the 10 HORNS to BURN HER with fire..........

Now think about this......the entire RADICAL ISLAMIC world hates CHRISTIANS.......and who do they view as the BIG SATAN

I will again NOTE......the WORLD council of FALSE churches MEET in N.Y......do you think anyone with the truth is there?

I don't understand what is plainly in full view of people who say they are believers yet seem to have no ability to grasp world events

that is the view that God has and that is the view we should also have. the ability to comprehend and see it for what it is

as you say, we have illustration after illustration with regard to 'kingdoms' rising and falling (1st post)

the 'church' has been infiltrated by '5th column' satanic devices and people sing 'what a wonderful world' and are blinded

personally, and call me a radical, I want no part of this Jesus that just loves everyone and never gets angry and just accepts you as you are and as long as you believe, it doesn't matter if it is found anywhere but in your own imagination

there is no politically correct Jesus sitting in heaven. that's a god of human reasoning and resembles the human desire to be their own god

I don't understand it all but you can 'feel' it in the air...if that makes sense

the longer I live on this planet I see more and more the truth is exchanged for a lie

I find this a very interesting discussion and I wish that people would not try to confuse the issue with all their own personal interjections and whatever angst they carry with them

there should be no fear. we are told not to fear but at the same time we are also told to understand

the Bible is comprehensive

anyway.....
 
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I don't understand what is plainly in full view of people who say they are believers yet seem to have no ability to grasp world events

that is the view that God has and that is the view we should also have. the ability to comprehend and see it for what it is

as you say, we have illustration after illustration with regard to 'kingdoms' rising and falling (1st post)

the 'church' has been infiltrated by '5th column' satanic devices and people sing 'what a wonderful world' and are blinded

personally, and call me a radical, I want no part of this Jesus that just loves everyone and never gets angry and just accepts you as you are and as long as you believe, it doesn't matter if it is found anywhere but in your own imagination

there is no politically correct Jesus sitting in heaven. that's a god of human reasoning and resembles the human desire to be their own god

I don't understand it all but you can 'feel' it in the air...if that makes sense

the longer I live on this planet I see more and more the truth is exchanged for a lie

I find this a very interesting discussion and I wish that people would not try to confuse the issue with all their own personal interjections and whatever angst they carry with them

there should be no fear. we are told not to fear but at the same time we are also told to understand

the Bible is comprehensive

anyway.....
Just think what the LAMB does when he is just a little bit angry..............He will sweep the planet with the besom of destruction and like the bible states a fire goes before him and a smoldering remnant is left in his wake when he but passes by..........Psalm 2 is clear.....there is a world wide, governmental conspiracy against God which has been and is being orchestrated by Satan who is called the KosmoKratos (world ruler) and his command hierarchy that is found in Ephesians 6...............

I fully believe Jesus receives us by faith, but will whip the crap out of us if we walk contrary and even take us home early if we fail to acknowledge and get right......
 
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Just think what the LAMB does when he is just a little bit angry..............He will sweep the planet with the besom of destruction and like the bible states a fire goes before him and a smoldering remnant is left in his wake when he but passes by..........Psalm 2 is clear.....there is a world wide, governmental conspiracy against God which has been and is being orchestrated by Satan who is called the KosmoKratos (world ruler) and his command hierarchy that is found in Ephesians 6...............

I fully believe Jesus receives us by faith, but will whip the crap out of us if we walk contrary and even take us home early if we fail to acknowledge and get right......
I also believe it is all about faith. but the kind where your actions speak louder than words haha

to be sure, I have been whipped by the results of my own sin and disobedience. the hope there is that I do actually belong to Him and as the Bible states he will whip us...but it is the consequences of our sin...and that can be far reaching

yeah I have understood that God might 'end us' in order to save us...that would be sure to create some yelling around here IMO :eek:

maybe I shouldn't say this, but this seems to be the place to say it so....I get irritated with all the 'Jesus is coming back this afternoon' proclamations and the vision a day people and all the dream interpreters that make your indigestion all about God

things just do not unfold that way IMO
 
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I also believe it is all about faith. but the kind where your actions speak louder than words haha

to be sure, I have been whipped by the results of my own sin and disobedience. the hope there is that I do actually belong to Him and as the Bible states he will whip us...but it is the consequences of our sin...and that can be far reaching

yeah I have understood that God might 'end us' in order to save us...that would be sure to create some yelling around here IMO :eek:

maybe I shouldn't say this, but this seems to be the place to say it so....I get irritated with all the 'Jesus is coming back this afternoon' proclamations and the vision a day people and all the dream interpreters that make your indigestion all about God

things just do not unfold that way IMO
I fully believe there is a lot of destruction and dying to take place before Jesus comes (Parousia and our Gathering).......He states clearly that NO flesh would be left alive if he does not come when he comes and Paul was clear....we which are ALIVE and REMAIN.....many things to take place....and when they take place we can then look up for our redemption draws nigh.....
 
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You see how you do to me what you accused me of....MAKE a statement and then assert it as fact....the same thing you ripped me for yesterday......

and the World council of churches MEET in BABYLON....which includes the CATHOLIC church.....
No

I Stated, I gave a counter view.

Yes, they meet in NY

Once again MOTHER OF HARLOTS

NY is not the mother of a false religious system which the whole world has bought into. Nore is she the headquarters for that system. And she has not killed christians or jews or any of Gods people.

Once again, WHEN the US is destroyed, (And I believe she will be) the world will shout for
EG - you are here. That means God has a purpose for you. Find out what it is and stop making all your posts about you. dc is trying to share some insight with us and you keep badgering him about not wanting your opinion.

This is NOT about you, it is about the Kingdom of God that is coming to the Earth and we need to be wise and understand the times. So, stop it, and humbly take everything dc is sharing before the Lord, your God in prayer and ask for understanding.

I mean you no ill. Just, stop making everything about you. Listen more, criticize less. :love:(y)
You just have to love this place.

About me? No it is not about me,

But hey, if thats what all you people think, thats just fine.

If it was not DC who was doing that, but someone else. Beople would probably be agreeing with me, But since it is DC. Well. I have seen these past few months it is a different standard.

I have NO qualm with him telling us his ideas. Or what he thinks, I will even discuss them with him if he wants. I also love him as a brother, I think he knows that, That is not what I was trying to say at all.

But when you come in any thread andd boast of how great you are and all of your hard study, So no one will change you view (ie, dont even try) then there should be an issue with this no matter WHO IT IS.

Its uncalled for.

But if thats how you all want to run, then run..