Are Holy Spirit baptisms claims provable?

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Waggles

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Why is it that the unlearned are most vocal ?
taking pride in trumpeting their ignorance of the scriptures
and showing that they do not have the indwelling Holy Spirit?

For if Carl11 and DJ2 actually had the Spirit of truth abiding within
them who knows they might be able to receive and exercise gifts
such as the word of wisdom or the word of knowledge or the
gift of healing or the working of miracles or prophecy - but alas
they both show us all that they have nothing from the Holy Spirit.

They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing,
it shall not hurt them;
they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Mark 16:18
 
Deade

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Nay, but you are tempting the Lord your God by suggesting anybody drink poison just to prove it wouldn't hurt them. Just like snake handlers tempt the Lord by doing such. All of you that are calling down people that speak with tongues as false are delving into a realm you have little understanding.

You say God has not dealt with me in such and such a way, then He doesn't deal with anybody in that way. Who are you to say that God can only deal with people the same as He has for you. Are you that lifted up? I suggest you cease and desist this approach before you really anger your Maker.
 
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Deade said:
Nay, but you are tempting the Lord your God by suggesting anybody drink poison just to prove it wouldn't hurt them. Just like snake handlers tempt the Lord by doing such. All of you that are calling down people that speak with tongues as false are delving into a realm you have little understanding.

You say God has not dealt with me in such and such a way, then He doesn't deal with anybody in that way. Who are you to say that God can only deal with people the same as He has for you. Are you that lifted up? I suggest you cease and desist this approach before you really anger your Maker.
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Nay, both of you are tempting God by suggesting you have been supernaturally baptized by the Holy Spirit without cause. You falsely accuse others of enticement without cause. Just like Satan did with Job by doing such. All of you who are making claims of supernatural abilities without cause are delving into a realm you have little knowledge of.

You say God has dealt with you in such and such a way but when confronted with the obvious and shameful lack of evidence that should be apparent, you simply deflect. Who are you to claim such a God given event and show no fruit. Do you have the gifts of Mark 16 or do you just claim to? I suggest you cease and desist this approach before you really anger your Maker.

Your empty claims of supernatural abilities produces contempt in the eyes of unbelievers who are seeking truth from the church.
 
Deade

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I don't remember claiming anything to you. I just spoke against your judgement of others in such an accusatory tone. The Holy Spirit does not speak in such a manner to anyone. There is but one accuser:

Rev. 12:10: "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night."
 
DJ2

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Deade said:
I don't remember claiming anything to you. I just spoke against your judgement of others in such an accusatory tone. The Holy Spirit does not speak in such a manner to anyone. There is but one accuser:

Rev. 12:10: "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night."
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Do not attempt to be coy. You are defending Waggles because you are of his ilk. Requesting proof of a claim is in no way accusatory.

The Holy Spirit does not speak in such a manner to anyone.
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I am no even sure what this sentence means.

I suggest you cease and desist this approach before you really anger your Maker.
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You write something like this and you label me an accuser?
 
carl11

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Waggles said:
Why is it that the unlearned are most vocal ?
taking pride in trumpeting their ignorance of the scriptures
and showing that they do not have the indwelling Holy Spirit?

For if Carl11 and DJ2 actually had the Spirit of truth abiding within
them who knows they might be able to receive and exercise gifts
such as the word of wisdom or the word of knowledge or the
gift of healing or the working of miracles or prophecy - but alas
they both show us all that they have nothing from the Holy Spirit.

They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing,
it shall not hurt them;
they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Mark 16:18
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Serpents are not in question, anybody can pick up a serpent. What kind of healing are we talking about also because the Bible is only concerned with one kind of healing one kind of prophecy...etc

What I'm wanting to verify is that if someone slips YOU some cyanide and you drink it unknowingly, that someone has slipped you some cyanide could or would you be able to live and tell about it.

You do understand that the Bible is a spiritual book and God has hidden many truths in his word and we are to search out what the whole Bible has to say concerning this idea. [Prov. 25:2, Jn. 6:63,Ps. 78:2]
 
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One sign that a person is filled with the Holy spirit is humility because God is humble. Pride on the other side, is a sure sign of demonic spirits.
The healing of the sick/the raising of the dead/the picking up of the serpents was part of signs and wonders that would follow the disciples and the apostles because they are the two witnesses who stand before the lord of this world. Their mandate was to spread the gospel as a witness to all nations and this signs helped in making people believe. After they had finished their witnessing, the antichrist pursued and killed them.

Now, it is harvest time- those that die are dead and those that are sick and it is by God's will that they die shall just die- no amount of prayer brings them back. When was the last time a prayer brought someone back from the dead?
 
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Wow.. I’m just sickened, yet not surprised.
A brother in Christ asks a question- ADVICE, from the Body, he showed humility and cared enough to ask YOUR opinion.. and this was how you treated someone seeking Truth?
I can only imagine what the Shepherd thinks of seeing His flock acting like this.
Shame on you!
 
JaumeJ

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It is never out of line to inform another he or she is ignorant.....Jesus did it. What would you have others to do, indulge your error? This is going on too freely in many churches........

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Wow.. that was out of line. This is why believers are leaving the church.
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JaumeJ said:
It is never out of line to inform another he or she is ignorant.....Jesus did it. What would you have others to do, indulge your error? This is going on too freely in many churches........
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What error? saying that it's not in my powers to pray for the dead to rise is not an error by any standard, the boastful claims that one is ind-welled by the Holy spirit is an error.
 
JaumeJ

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My post is general, not pointed to anyone. If you read it, you will see it is qualified and not personal.


Noose said:
What error? saying that it's not in my powers to pray for the dead to rise is not an error by any standard, the boastful claims that one is ind-welled by the Holy spirit is an error.
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JaumeJ

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Noose....

Of course you may pray for the dead to rise, and, it is written so. I have yet to witness this, but I believe it can be done, it is taught it can be, so it should be when moved by the Holy Spirit.........

Please forgive that post for sounding personal. I should have written "when one" but attmpting to remain colloquial and not haughty I try to keep it in common dlanguage........forgive that please.
 
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Joy4JESUS said:
Wow.. that was out of line. This is why believers are leaving the church.
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you just joined and that is your 7th post?

this entire thread is about denying the power of God through His Spirit

maybe you do that also...I don't know, but you sure don't know enough about people here to form that kind of judgement

and there are mulitple reasons why people might leave a church
 
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Joy4JESUS said:
Wow.. I’m just sickened, yet not surprised.
A brother in Christ asks a question- ADVICE, from the Body, he showed humility and cared enough to ask YOUR opinion.. and this was how you treated someone seeking Truth?
I can only imagine what the Shepherd thinks of seeing His flock acting like this.
Shame on you!
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this thread is not about seeking truth

this thread is about bashing the gifts of the Holy Spirit
 
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JaumeJ said:
Noose....

Of course you may pray for the dead to rise, and, it is written so. I have yet to witness this, but I believe it can be done, it is taught it can be, so it should be when moved by the Holy Spirit.........

Please forgive that post for sounding personal. I should have written "when one" but attmpting to remain colloquial and not haughty I try to keep it in common dlanguage........forgive that please.
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It is not entirely impossible but it doesn't/wont happen for a reason- it is harvest time and the harvest is ripe both for the tares and wheat.
Many deluded people think that the promise made in the scriptures about "..these signs shall follow them..." is about them. No it's not. One can be indwelled by the Holy spirit without any outward signs following them.
If it is a must for signs to follow them, then raising the dead would be a common thing today. The number of those raised from dead would be as much as of those self proclaimed saints today.
 
JaumeJ

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Be careful with that word, deluded. God has worked through me on more than one occasion, and it was magnificent.......all to His glory. Your are absoluely right that we may pray for all things. The greatest gift is knowing when we have received the reply, whether it be what we aske or something.
 
Deade

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carl11 said:
Serpents are not in question, anybody can pick up a serpent. What kind of healing are we talking about also because the Bible is only concerned with one kind of healing one kind of prophecy...etc

What I'm wanting to verify is that if someone slips YOU some cyanide and you drink it unknowingly, that someone has slipped you some cyanide could or would you be able to live and tell about it.

You do understand that the Bible is a spiritual book and God has hidden many truths in his word and we are to search out what the whole Bible has to say concerning this idea. [Prov. 25:2, Jn. 6:63,Ps. 78:2]
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Well Carl, this is the first time you mentioned drinking poison unknowingly. Why now? The makes the statement quite different, doesn't it? Yes, God's word is spiritually discerned and it is supernaturally empowered. I think if a Christian, that really has the Holy Spirit, drank anything poisonous that someone slipped them it would not harm them. God's word says so.

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JaumeJ said:
Be careful with that word, deluded. God has worked through me on more than one occasion, and it was magnificent.......all to His glory. Your are absoluely right that we may pray for all things. The greatest gift is knowing when we have received the reply, whether it be what we aske or something.
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The gift of preaching/healing/prophesying/miracles- these are appointments. They don't don't come as a feeling. You can not wake up one day and say that you feel like the Holy spirit is sending you, the appointment is physical just Moses'/Jonah's/the 12 disciples.
You don't go to a hospital to pray for a sick person and wait to see if God answers, the normal prayer that all believers should make goes something like this; "Father, if it be your will, let blah blah....". It is by faith that we make such a prayer- if a person is healed because of this kind of prayer, you can not claim that you are in the healing ministry.

But if God appoints you (Physically); like you were going to work and a donkey asked you to go to a hospital and pray for someone, you take a big stick and chase it thinking that it is your mind playing tricks on you only to hear a burning bush behind you saying the same thing- then you should know that the person in the hospital is already healed, only waiting for your obedience.

Jer 27:14"So do not listen to the words of the prophets who speak to you, saying, 'You will not serve the king of Babylon,' for they prophesy a lie to you; 15for I have not sent them," declares the LORD,"but they prophesy falsely in My name, in order that I may drive you out and that you may perish, you and the prophets who prophesy to you."

Jer 14:14Then the LORD saidto me, "The prophets are prophesying falsehood in My name. I have neither sent them nor commandedthem nor spoken to them; they are prophesying to you a false vision, divination, futility and the deception of their own minds.

It is you who needs to be careful when you say God has used you on more than one occasion.
Remember, an evil generation is the one that seeks signs and wonders.
 
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