Are illnesses and diseases because of sin too?

[The_highwayman]

You have failed to prove that Jesus was wealthy. Interesting to say "study and read" and then throw out a bunch of wild guesses based on wishful thinking. Here's my question: why is it so important for you to believe that Christ was wealthy? I don't understand people who twist scripture around because they are so desperate to believe this. Why is it so important to you, especially considering many of the negative comments that Jesus made about money.

I have provided ample scripture to prove my point, if you want to comment show me a scripture where it says Jesus was poor?

It is important becaue many traidtions have that Christians cannot be blessed or rich. I have partners in my own ministry that give to us and without them we could not share the gospel. Most of you believe a pastor or other minister ought to be in rags, eating stale bread and woe and poe and that does not line up with the Bible at all....much less Jesus and the disciples.

Instead of being glib and snide, why don't you read and study out the occupations of the disciples, before, during and after Jesus ministry...the answer might shed some light on what prosperity really means to you.

I don't twist scripture at all friend. Hee is a freebie to open your understanding.

Study out the fisherman of Peter, James and John's day and what the occupation was all about, how much they made, business practices, etc...Trust they were not 2 guys with a row boat and single net and when you get a firm grip on that read the account in Luke 5 and ask yourself how Peter could afford to leave his family for 3 years and beyond.

I will give you the same charge, before opening your mouth and being religious study and read....

 

[skipp]

I have provided ample scripture to prove my point, if you want to comment show me a scripture where it says Jesus was poor?

It is important becaue many traidtions have that Christians cannot be blessed or rich. I have partners in my own ministry that give to us and without them we could not share the gospel. Most of you believe a pastor or other minister ought to be in rags, eating stale bread and woe and poe and that does not line up with the Bible at all....much less Jesus and the disciples.

Instead of being glib and snide, why don't you read and study out the occupations of the disciples, before, during and after Jesus ministry...the answer might shed some light on what prosperity really means to you.

I don't twist scripture at all friend. Hee is a freebie to open your understanding.

Study out the fisherman of Peter, James and John's day and what the occupation was all about, how much they made, business practices, etc...Trust they were not 2 guys with a row boat and single net and when you get a firm grip on that read the account in Luke 5 and ask yourself how Peter could afford to leave his family for 3 years and beyond.

I will give you the same charge, before opening your mouth and being religious study and read....

What scripture have you provided? You didn't even provide verses, you just rather vaguely threw out a couple of chapters without any quotes that back up your point. Give us some actual quotes showing that Jesus was rich.

For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you through his poverty might become rich. (2 Corinthians 8:9)

Foxes have dens to live in, and birds have nests, but I, the Son of Man, have no home of my own, not even a place to lay my head (Matthew 8:20)

When the time came for the purification rites required by the Law of Moses, Joseph and Mary took him to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord(as it is written in the Law of the Lord, “Every firstborn male is to be consecrated to the Lord”[b]),and to offer a sacrifice in keeping with what is said in the Law of the Lord: “a pair of doves or two young pigeons." (Luke 2: 22-24)

And if he be poor, and cannot get so much; then he shall take one lamb for a trespass offering to be waved, to make an atonement for him, and one tenth deal of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering, and a log of oil; and two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, such as he is able to get; and the one shall be a sin offering, and the other a burnt offering. (Leviticus 14:21-22)

And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,and certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils, and Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod’s steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance. (Luke 8:1-3) If He was wealthy then why did they have to rely upon donations?

Along with the fact that Nazareth was a tiny village, certainly not the abode of a wealthy family. Jesus couldn't afford his own tomb. Carpenters in that place and period made an okay living but they were hardly what you would call wealthy. Plus, I think all prosperity gospel believers need to take the following verse to heart: Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man’s life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.

ask yourself how Peter could afford to leave his family for 3 years and beyond.

Because Peter was willing to make that sacrifice, just like the rich young man was not willing to make that sacrifice. The disciples followed Jesus, no matter the cost. The ones that didn't were the ones concerned over possessions and their own personal comfort. That's how Peter could "afford to leave his family". I do wonder how many prosperity gospel followers would be willing to make that sacrifice today, without the promise of comfort and riches.

As for the supposedly wealthy fishermen: Yet as Hanson and Oakman argue, even cooperatives and the hiring of extra laborers was not a sure sign of prosperity: “Fishing families were the primary laborers who caught the fish; they formed collectives or cooperatives in order to bid for fishing contracts or leases. If there were not sufficient family members of laboring age in the cooperative, the fishermen had to hire laborers to help with all the activities: manning the oars and sails, mending and washing nets, etc….“The fishers could hardly be classed as ‘entrepreneurs’ in such a highly regulated, taxed, and hierarchical economy. While the boat-owners/fishers may or may not have also been involved in fish processing, this would not have made them wealthy and certainly not ‘middle class’ as many authors have contended. The ‘surplus’ went to the brokers and rulers. This accounts for the hostility of the general population in both Judean and early Christian sources against the ‘tax collectors’.”

 

[skipp]

And I don't believe that ministers should be starving, but I also don't believe that they should promise people that they will be rich if they send the minister a lot of money, which is common in prosperity gospel circles.

 

[kennethcadwell]

It is not wrong for a Christian to be rich.
It does become wrong if you spend more time on edifying yourself with that money, and not using it to help and edify others.
Plus we are told by our Lord to not store up riches on earth for there is an end to that, the riches we are to look for are those we receive when we get to heaven.
Not all Christians will be rich on earth, most actually do live middle class or even poor lives.
Blessed are the poor as Jesus says, for the reasoning is that in their poverty they live they face more trials and tribulations than others who are financially set, and yet they still stay firm in Christ.

 

[know1]

Were it not for sin and the corruption of the flesh, the whole world, there wouldn't be disease, we'd have to presume, and Adam and Eve would have lived forever by the Lord's sustenance. (This, of course, a fairy tale, our Lord Jesus slain from the foundation of the world.) One thing about this I've always thought important is that we not judge people for having sin related illness, if there is no pinpoint sin cause, and, even then, not to throw stones.

Prosperity gospel is from the pit of hell and supports the kind of thinking that, if somebody isn't healthy and wealthy, there's something wrong with their walk with God, their faith is weak. From the prosperity gospel view, Jesus Christ would have been an utter failure, as well as Paul. (I once actually heard such a preacher say all of the apostles were very rich... idiot.) Solid children of the Lord get sick all the time, have had enough personal experience with this, and would merely like to point out it's very wrong to equate somebody being ill, in the course of normal life, with any personal sin.

Everybody, if you hang around long enough, you're near certain to get very ill, even if you sing in the choir.

Matthew 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Sir, you do not have the word of God hidden in your heart. You have a carnal mind, and looking at everything through your carnal mind.
You cannot back up any of what you say, and speak contrary to sound doctrine and truth of God's word.
I have been sickness and disease free for more than 5 years now and counting, and it is because I learned about my rights as a child of the King, and the fact that sin is, in most cases, what brings sickness on people, including Christians.
I haven't been sick and I won't EVER get sick again, if I walk holy before God, walk in the Spirit, and keep His word.
You don't have this revelation, so you CANNOT walk in it. It is the TRUTH that you KNOW that MAKES you FREE. You sir, do not know that you don't have to be sick or that it is a choice, therefore, you cannot walk in this covenant or be a partaker of the divine nature of God.

 

[know1]

You have failed to prove that Jesus was wealthy. Interesting to say "study and read" and then throw out a bunch of wild guesses based on wishful thinking. Here's my question: why is it so important for you to believe that Christ was wealthy? I don't understand people who twist scripture around because they are so desperate to believe this. Why is it so important to you, especially considering many of the negative comments that Jesus made about money.

Why is it so important for your Jesus to be poor?
Poverty is a result of sin, it is one of the curses, therefore, in that alone, it would be impossible for Jesus to be poor.
What about Paul when he was a in prison?
Act 24:26 He [Felix] hoped also that money should have been given him of Paul, that he might loose him: wherefore he sent for him the oftener, and communed with him.
Paul was not poor either, neither was the man that was looking for a bribe from Paul. None of the Pharisees were poor because the didn't believe in poverty. That was why they took offense to some of Jesus' parables that spoke against the heart attitude toward money.
I believe, you will become like the one you idolize.
Also, Jesus did not speak against money but those whose heart trusted and loved it more than God or His commandments.
Money is not evil, but the love of it, is.

 

[know1]

What scripture have you provided? You didn't even provide verses, you just rather vaguely threw out a couple of chapters without any quotes that back up your point. Give us some actual quotes showing that Jesus was rich.

I shouldn't have to do this, but since you are bent on twisting scripture.
For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor,so that you through his poverty might become rich. (2 Corinthians 8:9)



Foxes have dens to live in, and birds have nests, but I, the Son of Man, have no home of my own, not even a place to lay my head (Matthew 8:20)
And where was Jesus when He didn't have a place to lay His head?
Mat 8:5 And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him,
Where was His house? In Nazareth of course.
It had nothing to do with Jesus being too poor to have a place to lay His head.
Those who believe Jesus was poor and that we should be too, I can almost guarantee that you don't have much money yourselves.

 

[skipp]

Sir, you do not have the word of God hidden in your heart. You have a carnal mind, and looking at everything through your carnal mind.
You cannot back up any of what you say, and speak contrary to sound doctrine and truth of God's word.
I have been sickness and disease free for more than 5 years now and counting, and it is because I learned about my rights as a child of the King, and the fact that sin is, in most cases, what brings sickness on people, including Christians.
I haven't been sick and I won't EVER get sick again, if I walk holy before God, walk in the Spirit, and keep His word.
You don't have this revelation, so you CANNOT walk in it. It is the TRUTH that you KNOW that MAKES you FREE. You sir, do not know that you don't have to be sick or that it is a choice, therefore, you cannot walk in this covenant or be a partaker of the divine nature of God.

This is such an ungodly way of looking at the Christian faith. Visit a hospice, old people's home, hospital, third world country, etc, and then see the error of your ways. You will find some of the most godly, loving, faithful Christians in circumstances that we in our comfort and health could never understand. Iraqi Christians are being slaughtered in the streets and yet you sit yourself up as being better than them just because you have more material comforts and health? Despicable. You will get sick again some day, and it will either cause you to reevaluate your present superficial, carnal faith and to understand the true Gospel of Christ, or it will cause you to lose your faith completely. For your sake I hope that it's the former.

And stop trying to twist what people say around. We are not saying that there is anything wrong with having wealth. We are however saying that those who hold onto the prosperity gospel are in deep error. Christians can be rich and healthy, but they can also be sick and poor. Some of the greatest Christians have been those who have held their faith during deep trials and kept their love for Christ even when sick or in great need.

I learned about my rights as a child of the King

Christ spoke more about sacrifice than He did about our "rights". Start thinking about what you can do for God, not what God can do for you.

Poverty is a result of sin, it is one of the curses, therefore, in that alone, it would be impossible for Jesus to be poor.

Please give a Bible verse saying specifically that Jesus was rich.

Also, Jesus did not speak against money but those whose heart trusted and loved it more than God or His commandments.

Yes, I agree with this. However when it comes to the prosperity gospel I'm seeing quite the opposite. The love of money, self and gain is emphasized over the love of Christ.

I shouldn't have to do this, but since you are bent on twisting scripture.
For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor,so that you through his povertymight become rich. (2 Corinthians 8:9)

Do you really think that's about material riches? Can't you look past your carnal mind and see that it's not about laying up possessions for yourself on earth but in heaven?

Those who believe Jesus was poor and that we should be too, I can almost guarantee that you don't have much money yourselves.

And I realize that calling someone "poor" is probably one of the worst insults a prosperity gospel follower can give someone. It seems rather tacky for me to explain that I'm not poor, (because I don't consider being poor a moral failing) but I care deeply about people using the Bible to justify dangerous and extremely damaging theology. And no, I don't believe that we have to be poor, but I do believe that the prosperity gospel is one of the most dangerous heresies of today.

 

[know1]

This is such an ungodly way of looking at the Christian faith. Visit a hospice, old people's home, hospital, third world country, etc, and then see the error of your ways. You will find some of the most godly, loving, faithful Christians in circumstances that we in our comfort and health could never understand. Iraqi Christians are being slaughtered in the streets and yet you sit yourself up as being better than them just because you have more material comforts and health? Despicable. You will get sick again some day, and it will either cause you to reevaluate your present superficial, carnal faith and to understand the true Gospel of Christ, or it will cause you to lose your faith completely. For your sake I hope that it's the former.

What you call ungodly, is very God like.
You want me to look at all that is going on in the world, when God said to keep His word before our eyes. You need to take you eyes off the natural, and look at and behold the word of God.
Please don't try to speak a curse over me sir, you are hurting yourself when you do.
You are looking too much at the world, while calling me worldly, and not enough at the word of God.
I don't care if ninety nine point nine nine percent of the world's Christians were sick and poor, I would plant my feet and eyes on the solid rock of Christ, which is the word of God.
Four or five years ago, I had an attack on one of my kidneys. I had kidney stones four times before this last attack years earlier, so I know what it feels like before and during the attacks. Before, I didn't know what my rights were in Christ, nor did I know my authority over these things in Christ and through His name, nor did I know the word of God was the absolute truth, and so on.
All the other times when it hit, it would last for hours and then it would go away for one day then by the next day, I would get another attack that would again last for hours. I hated that. The last and final time, I took authority over the thing, ...after I vomited, and within 5 minutes the pain was completely gone and I have not had nor will I ever have another attack of this sort ever again. What most Christians don't understand is that it is not me doing anything, but it is the word of God. That's what God watches over and hastens to perform.
So while you think I will get sick some day that will cause me to reevaluate and lose, what you call my superficial and carnal faith, God and my tongue will ensure that doesn't ever happen. And it won't, guaranteed by the word of God.
I can't stop knowing what I know, nor can I change my faith and put it in your so called, 'true gospel of Christ', therefore it is impossible for me to lose faith because is founded and grounded in the rock of my salvation and no storm will ever be able to shake me off of it. Therefore, my house cannot fall, nor can it be moved.
Your foundation however, is on the sand because it is built on the natural things of this world and what your five physical senses tell and dictate to you and not on the word of God. Your faith is in the natural and not on the rock.
Even while some here admit that sin is the cause of sickness in the world, when you walk holy before God and do the things He has said, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE for sickness to attach itself to you. The only way I could possibly get sick is if I fall away big time from God. But, if I walk holy and in faith and love, keeping God's word before my eyes and in the midst of my heart, sickness cannot come on this body. It is impossible, by the authority of God's word. This temple WILL remain sickness and disease free, forever. Jesus IS my shield, deliverer, healer and He will keep me divinely healthy.

And stop trying to twist what people say around. We are not saying that there is anything wrong with having wealth. We are however saying that those who hold onto the prosperity gospel are in deep error. Christians can be rich and healthy, but they can also be sick and poor. Some of the greatest Christians have been those who have held their faith during deep trials and kept their love for Christ even when sick or in great need.

You might want to stop doing the same thing of twisting what we are saying, when it comes to the prosperity message.
What you are doing however, in essence, is advocating poverty. When I was a teen, I was taught and shown that Jesus was poor, so since He was one I wanted to follow and be like, I wanted to be poor and I did certain things that I thought would image His poverty stricken state.
What you may or may not know, is that people follow and act out who they idolize or look up to and want to be like.
By portraying Jesus as being poor, you are prompting and brainwashing the people of God to be like poor Jesus.
If God wants you poor or in lack, then why pray for your financial needs to be met? You would then be praying against the will of God.
If you know that the blessings of the Lord maketh you rich and that He adds no sorrow with it, then you can pray in confidence for God's blessings.
The bible says, it is more blessed to give than to receive. If you don't have anything to give, then you will always have your hand out looking for someone to give to you. Lack and poverty are not of God's blessings, but of His curses.
If you get fixated on the wealth and off of God and His word, then you have missed the message. It's not about wealth, though it is a blessing of God, it's about getting what God said He would do for your if you do what He told you to do. It's about walking holy before God, by faith, in love, and obeying His commandments, with a pure heart.

Christ spoke more about sacrifice than He did about our "rights". Start thinking about what you can do for God, not what God can do for you.

If you are sick and on your death bed, how are you going to do anything for God.
And, don't know that God gets glory when we get our prayers answered.
Joh 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

Please give a Bible verse saying specifically that Jesus was rich.

How could you have possibly missed it?
You used the verse in the post I am responding to.
But I will copy it for you to see again.
It is written in the light green.
For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor,so that you through his poverty might become rich. (2 Corinthians 8:9)

Yes, I agree with this. However when it comes to the prosperity gospel I'm seeing quite the opposite. The love of money, self and gain is emphasized over the love of Christ.

It is no such thing. The subject of discussion is on prosperity, therefore it is centered and focused on prosperity.
Without Christ, there is nothing. How can you want anything without Christ.
If I were to gain the whole world with all it's wealth, power, pleasures, and treasures, I would give it up in less than a heart beat, if it meant losing my salvation, or even moving further away from Christ. To me, there is no life without God. My joy is to glorify Christ and to please the Father and to help people.

Do you really think that's about material riches? Can't you look past your carnal mind and see that it's not about laying up possessions for yourself on earth but in heaven?

You are focusing on the wrong thing again. It's not about money, it's about walking is faith, pleasing the Father, glorifying Christ, helping others, getting prayers answered, and the like.

And I realize that calling someone "poor" is probably one of the worst insults a prosperity gospel follower can give someone. It seems rather tacky for me to explain that I'm not poor, (because I don't consider being poor a moral failing) but I care deeply about people using the Bible to justify dangerous and extremely damaging theology. And no, I don't believe that we have to be poor, but I do believe that the prosperity gospel is one of the most dangerous heresies of today.

You use the bible to justify your theology of salvation don't you? That's only because you can see it.
I can't do much for your blindness concerning the rest of the gospel that you cannot see.
Prosperity is no more a heresy than healing or salvation. They are all part of walking in and living by faith.
God's people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,...

 

[skipp]

What you call ungodly, is very God like.
You want me to look at all that is going on in the world, when God said to keep His word before our eyes. You need to take you eyes off the natural, and look at and behold the word of God.
Please don't try to speak a curse over me sir, you are hurting yourself when you do.
You are looking too much at the world, while calling me worldly, and not enough at the word of God.
I don't care if ninety nine point nine nine percent of the world's Christians were sick and poor, I would plant my feet and eyes on the solid rock of Christ, which is the word of God.
Four or five years ago, I had an attack on one of my kidneys. I had kidney stones four times before this last attack years earlier, so I know what it feels like before and during the attacks. Before, I didn't know what my rights were in Christ, nor did I know my authority over these things in Christ and through His name, nor did I know the word of God was the absolute truth, and so on.
All the other times when it hit, it would last for hours and then it would go away for one day then by the next day, I would get another attack that would again last for hours. I hated that. The last and final time, I took authority over the thing, ...after I vomited, and within 5 minutes the pain was completely gone and I have not had nor will I ever have another attack of this sort ever again. What most Christians don't understand is that it is not me doing anything, but it is the word of God. That's what God watches over and hastens to perform.
So while you think I will get sick some day that will cause me to reevaluate and lose, what you call my superficial and carnal faith, God and my tongue will ensure that doesn't ever happen. And it won't, guaranteed by the word of God.
I can't stop knowing what I know, nor can I change my faith and put it in your so called, 'true gospel of Christ', therefore it is impossible for me to lose faith because is founded and grounded in the rock of my salvation and no storm will ever be able to shake me off of it. Therefore, my house cannot fall, nor can it be moved.
Your foundation however, is on the sand because it is built on the natural things of this world and what your five physical senses tell and dictate to you and not on the word of God. Your faith is in the natural and not on the rock.
Even while some here admit that sin is the cause of sickness in the world, when you walk holy before God and do the things He has said, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE for sickness to attach itself to you. The only way I could possibly get sick is if I fall away big time from God. But, if I walk holy and in faith and love, keeping God's word before my eyes and in the midst of my heart, sickness cannot come on this body. It is impossible, by the authority of God's word. This temple WILL remain sickness and disease free, forever. Jesus IS my shield, deliverer, healer and He will keep me divinely healthy.

Well, I will pray that you manage to keep your faith if you ever do get ill. I've seen so many people with your beliefs completely lose their faith altogether when they do get sick or have a financial setback. I was not speaking a curse against you since I don't want you or anybody to get sick, but telling you what will possibly happen. Old age tends to bring sickness and I hope you manage to keep your faith through this and that you don't make an idol of your health and wealth. After all, God didn't take away Paul's thorn.

You might want to stop doing the same thing of twisting what we are saying, when it comes to the prosperity message.
What you are doing however, in essence, is advocating poverty. When I was a teen, I was taught and shown that Jesus was poor, so since He was one I wanted to follow and be like, I wanted to be poor and I did certain things that I thought would image His poverty stricken state.
What you may or may not know, is that people follow and act out who they idolize or look up to and want to be like.
By portraying Jesus as being poor, you are prompting and brainwashing the people of God to be like poor Jesus.
If God wants you poor or in lack, then why pray for your financial needs to be met? You would then be praying against the will of God.
If you know that the blessings of the Lord maketh you rich and that He adds no sorrow with it, then you can pray in confidence for God's blessings.
The bible says, it is more blessed to give than to receive. If you don't have anything to give, then you will always have your hand out looking for someone to give to you. Lack and poverty are not of God's blessings, but of His curses.
If you get fixated on the wealth and off of God and His word, then you have missed the message. It's not about wealth, though it is a blessing of God, it's about getting what God said He would do for your if you do what He told you to do. It's about walking holy before God, by faith, in love, and obeying His commandments, with a pure heart.

For one thing, nobody has said that Christians have to be poor. I've never seen that taught anywhere. And where did Jesus say that poverty was a curse? He said quite the opposite. He said that His followers would be persecuted. He said "blessed are the poor". He said it would be easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to go to heaven. If poverty is a curse then why did Lazarus go to heaven and the rich man go to hell? Shouldn't it have been the other way around? Your brand of theology basically ignores the majority of what Jesus actually said.

If you are sick and on your death bed, how are you going to do anything for God.

There have been numerous conversions of nonbelievers who have become Christians due to witnessing the Christ-like behavior of the sick and elderly. Don't you think that you will be on your death bed some day?

How could you have possibly missed it?
You used the verse in the post I am responding to.
But I will copy it for you to see again.
It is written in the

light green.
For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor,so that you through his poverty might become rich. (2 Corinthians 8:9)

Sigh. It's not material riches that is being mentioned here. If it was then Christ would not have told us not to care about laying up treasures on earth, instead of heaven. Your problem is that your mind is fixed too much on earth. This world is passing away! Please give some thought to your future life.

It is no such thing. The subject of discussion is on prosperity, therefore it is centered and focused on prosperity.
Without Christ, there is nothing. How can you want anything without Christ.
If I were to gain the whole world with all it's wealth, power, pleasures, and treasures, I would give it up in less than a heart beat, if it meant losing my salvation, or even moving further away from Christ. To me, there is no life without God. My joy is to glorify Christ and to please the Father and to help people.

I'm glad you feel this way. The majority of prosperity people that I speak to only care about getting as many possessions as possible from God.

You use the bible to justify your theology of salvation don't you? That's only because you can see it.
I can't do much for your blindness concerning the rest of the gospel that you cannot see.
Prosperity is no more a heresy than healing or salvation. They are all part of walking in and living by faith.
God's people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,...

Paul said not to trust those who bring a different gospel, even if they are an angel of light. The whole Gospel is that while we were yet sinners Christ died for our sins. I reject any other gospel than this. So I'm okay with you rejecting me because I don't believe in the prosperity gospel.

 

[know1]

Well, I will pray that you manage to keep your faith if you ever do get ill. I've seen so many people with your beliefs completely lose their faith altogether when they do get sick or have a financial setback. I was not speaking a curse against you since I don't want you or anybody to get sick, but telling you what will possibly happen. Old age tends to bring sickness and I hope you manage to keep your faith through this and that you don't make an idol of your health and wealth. After all, God didn't take away Paul's thorn.

Sir, if you can base your faith, concerning your salvation, on the word of God, then how do you suddenly lose all faith in the same word when it comes to good health or healing. It is because it's a whole lot easier to believe something that you can't see in the natural.
If I say anything about the things you believe, you go to the word to back up your doctrine, because you believe the word of God to be truth. Yet, when it comes to staying health or getting healed, all of a sudden, all you look at and have your eyes on is in the natural course of nature.
If I were to tell you that I will pray for you just to make sure you don't lose your salvation, would you say, okay?
No, you would say, I can't lose my salvation. Even though it IS possible for one to lose that as much as it is to lose ones good health.
Point being, you look to the word for your salvation and the security of your doctrine, but the word of God Goes out the window as soon as healing or prosperity is mentioned.
You keep saying, when and if, as though the word of God has no power. You think it is all up to God as to whether you keep your health or not, but I am here to tell you that it is in your hands. God is the one who gave you the choice to chose blessing or cursing, based on what you do.
If your foundation is built on the rock, there is no, ifs, buts, or whens. God's word is solid, it won't move. It's when you get sick that one stands on the word until it manifests in the natural.
The word is a lamp unto my feet, not what the world throws in my direction.
Without the word of God abiding in your heart and you abiding in Christ, for it is conditional, I would think just like you, and look at things the same way you do, and I did for most of my life. But now the word of God is more sure to me than what I experience in this natural world. It is when you come to know the truth of God's word that one is set free from sickness, oppression of the mind, poverty, and the like.
You are focusing on one things basically, and that being the prosperity message, but it goes way beyond that. If you didn't believe the word of God and act on it, you would not have been able to receive salvation. The same applies to every other thing you pray for, regardless of what it may be. Some things require us to fight the fight of faith more than other things. How many people had to fight for their salvation? How many asked if it was God's will for them to be saved or even question it, for that matter?
You are fighting against the promises of God, not me.

 

[4enlightment]

Did sin cause illness and sickness and disease too? Or is it just how the human body works with germs and bacteria etc.?

Yes, sin does lead to sickness, like for an instance, If God had told you not to eat certain things because they aren't good for your body, but if you do, it will show that you had sinned against God (Disobeying is a sin and which means that you are going against the word of God) by how your body performs.

Genesis 3:11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”