Are Non-Trinitarians saved?

[Bowman]

I believe we are saved by believing, deep in our hearts, that Christ died on the cross for our sins and was raised by God the Father, the Almighty Creator of everything that was, is and ever will be.

Because if you confess the Lord Jesus with your mouth, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. (Romans 10.9)


Who raised Jesus from the dead?

· God the Father… Acts 3.26; Eph 1.15-20; Gal 1.1; 1 Thes 1.9-10

· God the Son…John 2.19-22; 10.17-18; Romans 6.4

· God the Spirit…Romans 8.11; 1 Peter 3.18

· The Trinity…Romans 10.91; Peter 1.20-21; Hebrews 13.20-21; 1 Cor 6.14; Col 2.11-12; Acts 2.23-24; 2.32; 3.14-15; 13.30-37


Thus…you will be saved if you believe in The Triune God, as revealed in scripture.

Simple, Biblical truth.

 

[Bowman]

Well of course you would think that, it is a Catholic teaching. However, if it were taught by Jesus, I think there would be chapter and verse documenting that.,,keeping in mind the Matthew 28:19 has been proven added to the Word c. 2nd century. oops.

Show us....

 

[Bowman]

I am a "non Trinitarian." I am saved. God is infinite not trinite. I agree fully with the word and see clearly scripture reveals Father, Son and Spirit each as GOD; however, scripture also reveals God as infinite and never as trinite. Calling God a trinity could easily be construed as blasphemous as it (in my opinion) diminishes God from infinite to trinite. At best it is a weak watered down doctrine that men have produced to try to fit God into their heads. I make no judgments upon others no matter what they believe however I do consider that it is very dangerous for anyone to condemn others that they do not know. The measure we use will be used upon us. I worship the infinite One true God who is the creator of all things and the author of life. Certainly God has revealed himself to us as Father Son and Spirit and also as infinite. It is my choice to consider God as infinite and revealed as three and as seven. Three persons, Father Son and Spirit but also as Seven Spirits. All of these are God and for now we see in a mirror dimly. We can only come to a knowledge of God in this life because we are finite we can not come to KNOW the infinite we can only imagine. All Glory honor power and praise always be to our God and father from whom all good things come.

Jews, Muslims, and other Unitarians likewise make the very same claim.

Are they likewise saved...?

 

[crossnote]

Show us....

This will be a failed attempt...

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tc Although some scholars have denied that the trinitarian baptismal formula in the Great Commission was a part of the original text of Matthew, there is no ms support for their contention. F. C. Conybeare, “The Eusebian Form of the Text of Mt. 28:19,” ZNW 2 (1901): 275–88, based his view on a faulty reading of Eusebius’ quotations of this text. The shorter reading has also been accepted, on other grounds, by a few other scholars. For discussion (and refutation of the conjecture that removes this baptismal formula), see B. J. Hubbard, The Matthean Redaction of a Primitive Apostolic Commissioning (SBLDS 19), 163–64, 167–75; and Jane Schaberg, The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (SBLDS 61), 27–29.
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evidence of manuscripts gets 'em every time.

 

[Butch5]

I always wondered this since they deny the true nature of God. Jehovahs witnesses and Mormons do not have the same Christ as the Bible but only God can judge.

What do you think?

That's an interesting question. The Scriptures don't even use the word "Trinity" so it's hard to imagine that it is a requirement for salvation. However, the Trinity doctrine that is commonly taught today is a logical contradiction and not Scriptural so I don't think it would be required for salvation. John said of his Gospel, these things are written that you know believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God and that believing you may have eternal life. So, according to the John one must believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God in order to be saved.

 

[crossnote]

However, the Trinity doctrine that is commonly taught today is a logical contradiction and not Scriptural so I don't think it would be required for salvation.

What is today's version?
If taught 'properly' would it be required for salvation?

 

[Bowman]

That's an interesting question. The Scriptures don't even use the word "Trinity" so it's hard to imagine that it is a requirement for salvation. However, the Trinity doctrine that is commonly taught today is a logical contradiction and not Scriptural so I don't think it would be required for salvation. John said of his Gospel, these things are written that you know believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God and that believing you may have eternal life. So, according to the John one must believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God in order to be saved.

Show us ONE verse which supposedly thwarts The Trinity, and detail to us how it supposedly does.

Good luck...

 

[Butch5]

Show us ONE verse which supposedly thwarts The Trinity, and detail to us how it supposedly does.

Good luck...

The Trinity doctrine that is commonly taught today is that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three persons in one God and are coequal and coeternal. Many understand that to mean three persons are one being, that is a contradiction. They also claim that the three are coequal, yet Jesus said the Father is greater than I, thus they are not coequal. Many claim that the three have always existed, yet Jesus is the only begotten God.

 

[Spokenpassage]

The Trinity doctrine that is commonly taught today is that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three persons in one God and are coequal and coeternal. Many understand that to mean three persons are one being, that is a contradiction. They also claim that the three are coequal, yet Jesus said the Father is greater than I, thus they are not coequal. Many claim that the three have always existed, yet Jesus is the only begotten God.

So you believe Jesus is a creation?

 

[Bowman]

The Trinity doctrine that is commonly taught today is that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three persons in one God and are coequal and coeternal. Many understand that to mean three persons are one being, that is a contradiction. They also claim that the three are coequal, yet Jesus said the Father is greater than I, thus they are not coequal. Many claim that the three have always existed, yet Jesus is the only begotten God.

I asked for a single, solitary verse which you somehow feel thwarts The Trinity, Butch....not your opinion...

I want to demonstrate that you are fighting a strawman argument of your very own creation.

 

[Butch5]

What is today's version?
If taught 'properly' would it be required for salvation?

What is primarily taught today as the Trinity comes from the Anthanasian Creed and it says that the Father, Son, And Holy Spirit are coequal and coeternal, however, that is not what the Scriptures teach. The Scriptures don't say one has to believe in a Trinity, however, if one understands salvation I think they will believe in the trinity. The apostle John said of his Gospel, these things are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you might have eternal life. The question is, what does it mean to believe that Jesus is the Christ? What is the Christ? The Christ is the anointed king of Israel. John says that one has to believe that Jesus is anointed king, God's anointed. Remember that God told David that of the fruit of his body He would raise up one to sit on David's throne forever. It's believing that Jesus is this one, He is the Son of God and the seed of Abraham and David. If one believes that Jesus is the Son of God then one believes that Jesus is deity.

 

[Butch5]

I asked for a single, solitary verse which you somehow feel thwarts The Trinity, Butch....not your opinion...

I want to demonstrate that you are fighting a strawman argument of your very own creation.

I gave you two verses in my post.

 

[Butch5]

So you believe Jesus is a creation?

No, He's the only begotten God.

 

[Spokenpassage]

No, He's the only begotten God.

I don't understand your theology. God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is evident all over the bible. Jesus has always been, just as the Father has always been, and the Holy Spirit has always been. Jesus' human nature lowered Him than the Father, but is equal in the divine.

 

[Bowman]

I gave you two verses in my post.

No.

Paraphrased truncation is NOT quoting scripture.

Give us your very best 'Trinity Killer' verse, and tell us why...

 

[Bowman]

No, He's the only begotten God.

Then He IS God...and?

 

[Bowman]

I don't understand your theology. God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is evident all over the bible. Jesus has always been, just as the Father has always been, and the Holy Spirit has always been. Jesus' human nature lowered Him than the Father, but is equal in the divine.

I think that I understand Butch's problem....he can't come to grips that Jesus is The God-man...and he is confusing scripture which addresses Jesus' humanity, as applying to His divinity...

 

[Butch5]

I don't understand your theology. God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is evident all over the bible. Jesus has always been, just as the Father has always been, and the Holy Spirit has always been. Jesus' human nature lowered Him than the Father, but is equal in the divine.

The teaching that Jesus has always been is not what was taught in the beginning. That teaching is from around the 400's AD. or so. The Anthanasian Creed says that they are coequal and coeternal, however, the Nicene Creed which came earlier states otherwise.

[h=2]The Nicene Creed[/h]​

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
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And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.
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Who, for us men and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.
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And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.
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And I believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
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Notice, the creed says, I believe in "one God. the Father." This is the same thing Paul said,

[SUP]5[/SUP] For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
[SUP]6[/SUP] But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
(1Co 8:5-6 KJV)

The creed says the same thing that Paul said, there is one God, the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ. Notice also that the creed say that the Son was begotten before all worlds. Jesus said that ne came out of God.

 

[Butch5]

I think that I understand Butch's problem....he can't come to grips that Jesus is The God-man...and he is confusing scripture which addresses Jesus' humanity, as applying to His divinity...

Are you suggesting hypostatic union?

 

[Butch5]

Then He IS God...and?

He is God in essence.