Are only those who are born-again saved?

[PaulThomson]

Peter said, Lord save me!
He didn't want to drown in the waves of the sea. That's a use of the same word with a different application. There are some that apply physical salvation to that of salvation from sins and the wages thereof.

Jesus uses the term born of the Spirit the same as born again. Then in verse 17 KJV the term saved is used synonymously.
The maniac of Gadera was saved and born again. Jesus was banned from his land, but he wasn't. He was given the command to go back and tell his city what the Lord had done for him. This shows me that the man was saved or delivered of demons and believed on Jesus to the saving of his soul....born again spirit.

We are not told the demoniac was born again. You are assuming that. Was anyone born again before Jesus died and rose from the dead?

The OP question was about being saved, not about being regenerated. It just asked about being saved. It did not specify saved in what sense. People need to be more careful in their use of language, especially when dealing with scripture.

 

[Burn1986]

Salvation AGAIN. Man, everyone is literally stuck at Salvation. Why can we not get past this? You have about 95% of posters who pride themselves on quoting scripture, in fact they can’t make a normal conversation if every sentence isn’t a scripture, and yet no one has enough soundness of mind and discernment to even know if they’re saved. It’s a travesty and an embarrassment.

 

[homwardbound]

people who are healed by Jesus are saved. People delivered from demons are saved. But many of those are not born again.

Yet, from Father God of Jesus are born again from God's view, (Eph 1:13) on their way to be completed in his love and mercy given to them, (Phil 1:6) by God's continued love and mercy. There is a sorting it all out, and for me only God could ever do that, who has continued in God's love and mercy from day one of the first Adam to everyone. God remains faithful, as I know this by the allowance of freedom, where I have caused my own demises in life here on earth, and God has pulled me out and has allowed me to go through them, to learn new in his love and mercy over it all. I have seen, gone through evil and I have by all the troubles and good that has happened, see me now agreeing With God, Father knows best, so, I to stop things in agreement, that are not good for me in the long run, even though looked good at first sight, were not and are not.. Not doing as much as did at first in contrast to this love and mercy given (rebellion). I look back and see the things, now gone, and see it was not me that got them gone, nor was it ever forced on me to have them gone, by God ever. People (religion) yes, but not God ever
I asked God from within me, I see I deserve death and punishment for my doing wrong as told of in religion. Why are you not punishing me?
Answer
"My kindness is meant to lead you to repentance. I asked what is repentance?
Your change of mind to trust me, that all said from me to you, you can trust me over everyone else
Phil 3 tells me this also
Thank God, for this love and mercy of Son Jesus for me
As Isaiah saw the coming of you in Son as in Isaiah 6:1-7
As John Newton saw it too, as in Amazing grace written from him
As Saul who became Paul saw and then decided to listen to you and not go to flesh and blood for 14 years, and told the Gentiles of you for fourteen years and then beyond that after receiving the handshake of fellowship, from the disciples of your love to us all, not a few or just those that were first chosen, Wow, Thank you Father and Son you Won as One. Galatians, has a lot to say about our freedom given us in the risen Savior Jesus, and it is not to harm anyone, it is to let all have their free choices too as God has done for each person. (Rom 2:1-4) Remembering this, God also has free will
So, go ahead and harm others, okay, God will free those in bondage. God did that in Sodom and Gomorrah and the freeing of the first Chosen too. It took a while for his freeing people, yet God does not continue to let anyone take anyone's free will away from them, if one does not let them go, as in Egypt, when God gave Ten warnings to Pharoah. Then Pharoah no listen and be God himself, lost on his own demise. Never forced just told stop, let my people go!
I revere this truth in stopping and searching out God's mercy, not to get away with harming, rather to stop that and allow others free will too, not only mine given
Thank you as I talk to me in reminding me of this amazing grace of God given us all through Son for us, Wow

 

[Beckworth]

I tend to think children are saved anyway, but regarding adults, one must be born-again to be saved.

I agree. Jesus said only those who become like little children (pure) can enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 18:3.
Psalms 106:38 says they “shed INNOCENT blood, the blood of their sons and daughters…”
In numbers 14, when the people refused to go into the promise land for fear, God said they would all be punished and die in the wilderness EXCEPT the ones who were under 20 years old. He did not hold them accountable. I’m not saying that is the age of accountability, but that is what God did. God never punished the innocent. Children don’t need “salvation” because they don’t have sins. They are “safe”. Ezekiel 18 is very plain that there is no such thing as “inherited sin”.

 

[homwardbound]

I agree. Jesus said only those who become like little children (pure) can enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 18:3.
Psalms 106:38 says they “shed INNOCENT blood, the blood of their sons and daughters…”
In numbers 14, when the people refused to go into the promise land for fear, God said they would all be punished and die in the wilderness EXCEPT the ones who were under 20 years old. He did not hold them accountable. I’m not saying that is the age of accountability, but that is what God did. God never punished the innocent. Children don’t need “salvation” because they don’t have sins. They are “safe”. Ezekiel 18 is very plain that there is no such thing as “inherited sin”.

God is 100% righteous. God is always good as good is always God. Whatever, however, God chooses is always righteous, to me
I have a sister that died at age 18, I was 14 when this day came to be. Not understanding, in bewilderment, and remain to this day in trust to God, that she is saved by God. yet if not, wher]never my day is, and see she is not saved and I am or not. I see thisd
God s righteous and I choose to not harm anyone ever again, since my Soul came into play, I need God to teach me and lead me over myself and or anyone else of flesh and blood. yet listen with sincerity, and take all to God Father of the risen Son Jesus in prayer to hear and know truth over error
Thanks for the post, I read Ezekiel 18, Wow. Thank you Lord for always being fair

 

[Beckworth]

Salvation AGAIN. Man, everyone is literally stuck at Salvation. Why can we not get past this? You have about 95% of posters who pride themselves on quoting scripture, in fact they can’t make a normal conversation if every sentence isn’t a scripture, and yet no one has enough soundness of mind and discernment to even know if they’re saved. It’s a travesty and an embarrassment.

How sad that you have so little respect and love for the words of God. Timothy says that all scripture is inspired by God—it is literally GOD BREATHED.
If you read your Bible, you will see that Jesus always answered religious questions or religious situations with SCRIPTURE. Matthew 21:16 “Jesus said, ‘Have you never read….” And He quotes SCRIPTURE. Jesus answered every temptation of the devil with SCRIPTURE. He used SCRIPTURE to answer their questions about marriage and divorce. Six times in Matthew 5 alone, he quoted scripture to instruct them. He used SCRIPTURE to answer questions about John the Baptist in Matt. 11. In Matt. 12 he answered the Pharisees with SCRIPTURE. The disciples asked why he spoke to the people in parables and He answered them with SCRIPTURE from Isaiah. In Matthew 15 He answered the Pharisees with SCRIPTURE. I could go on and on through out the rest of Matthew and we haven’t even gotten to Mark, Luke, and John.
Not only that, but most of the writers of the New Testament used SCRIPTURE in their writings. Peter in Acts 2 and 1 Peter 2:8. John in 10:24 and 19:37, Phillip in Acts 8, Paul and James and the Hebrew writer. Timothy was praised because he knew the SCRIPTURES—just to name a few.
Jesus said ALL AUTHORITY has been given to Him. And the Jews recognized that He taught as one who had AUTHORITY. Matt. 7:29. Why wouldn’t a believer use scripture ? It’s authoritative and it’s “TRUTH”. God said His word is TRUTH. Does that not mean anything to you? Would you just rather hear men’s OPINIONS and men’s ideas, and their experiences rather than what God has to say?? How can you answer an argument with just your opinion or YOUR idea? You know what they say about opinions, they are like belly-buttons—everyone has one; and they are not worth anything as far as answers go.
Also, aren’t you judging people’s hearts by accusing them of using scripture out of PRIDE? Jesus said we can judge people’s fruits but not their hearts or motives because no one but God can read a man’s heart! Shame on you. People who use God’s word in commentary. Answering arguments or proving truth should be commended for following the example of Jesus, the apostles and the writers of the New Testament/—not CRITICIZED!!

 

[Beckworth]

God is 100% righteous. God is always good as good is always God. Whatever, however, God chooses is always righteous, to me
I have a sister that died at age 18, I was 14 when this day came to be. Not understanding, in bewilderment, and remain to this day in trust to God, that she is saved by God. yet if not, wher]never my day is, and see she is not saved and I am or not. I see thisd
God s righteous and I choose to not harm anyone ever again, since my Soul came into play, I need God to teach me and lead me over myself and or anyone else of flesh and blood. yet listen with sincerity, and take all to God Father of the risen Son Jesus in prayer to hear and know truth over error
Thanks for the post, I read Ezekiel 18, Wow. Thank you Lord for always being fair

So thankful for your sincerity and good heart. I take comfort in the fact that God did not punish those children under 20 years old. I think you can , too. Keep studying the word. I learn new things all the time.

 

[Beckworth]

Yet, from Father God of Jesus are born again from God's view, (Eph 1:13) on their way to be completed in his love and mercy given to them, (Phil 1:6) by God's continued love and mercy. There is a sorting it all out, and for me only God could ever do that, who has continued in God's love and mercy from day one of the first Adam to everyone. God remains faithful, as I know this by the allowance of freedom, where I have caused my own demises in life here on earth, and God has pulled me out and has allowed me to go through them, to learn new in his love and mercy over it all. I have seen, gone through evil and I have by all the troubles and good that has happened, see me now agreeing With God, Father knows best, so, I to stop things in agreement, that are not good for me in the long run, even though looked good at first sight, were not and are not.. Not doing as much as did at first in contrast to this love and mercy given (rebellion). I look back and see the things, now gone, and see it was not me that got them gone, nor was it ever forced on me to have them gone, by God ever. People (religion) yes, but not God ever
I asked God from within me, I see I deserve death and punishment for my doing wrong as told of in religion. Why are you not punishing me?
Answer
"My kindness is meant to lead you to repentance. I asked what is repentance?
Your change of mind to trust me, that all said from me to you, you can trust me over everyone else
Phil 3 tells me this also
Thank God, for this love and mercy of Son Jesus for me
As Isaiah saw the coming of you in Son as in Isaiah 6:1-7
As John Newton saw it too, as in Amazing grace written from him
As Saul who became Paul saw and then decided to listen to you and not go to flesh and blood for 14 years, and told the Gentiles of you for fourteen years and then beyond that after receiving the handshake of fellowship, from the disciples of your love to us all, not a few or just those that were first chosen, Wow, Thank you Father and Son you Won as One. Galatians, has a lot to say about our freedom given us in the risen Savior Jesus, and it is not to harm anyone, it is to let all have their free choices too as God has done for each person. (Rom 2:1-4) Remembering this, God also has free will
So, go ahead and harm others, okay, God will free those in bondage. God did that in Sodom and Gomorrah and the freeing of the first Chosen too. It took a while for his freeing people, yet God does not continue to let anyone take anyone's free will away from them, if one does not let them go, as in Egypt, when God gave Ten warnings to Pharoah. Then Pharoah no listen and be God himself, lost on his own demise. Never forced just told stop, let my people go!
I revere this truth in stopping and searching out God's mercy, not to get away with harming, rather to stop that and allow others free will too, not only mine given
Thank you as I talk to me in reminding me of this amazing grace of God given us all through Son for us, Wow

 

[Beckworth]

Yes. Jesus made that a condition of salvation, John 3, when He said”UNLESS A MAN BE Born AGAIN, HE CANNOT ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. There is not much question about it. However, there IS a lot of misunderstanding and confusion about the different laws in the New Testament and how people were saved.
Please read Hebrews 9:15-17. The New Testament is the “last will and testament of Jesus. Just like all “wills” today, the will does not come into effect until AFTER the person is dead. Jesus was born a Jew and as such was under the Old Testament law given by Moses. That law was given ONLY to Jews—not ever to gentiles; unless the gentile converted to Judaism. If a person today has a million dollars, he can spend that money anyway he pleases until he dies. Then, his “will” comes into effect and after that how the money is spent has to comply with the terms of the Will. Jesus didn’t have money, but he was “rich” in SALVATION. While He was alive on earth, He could give salvation to whoever He pleased, in any way He pleased. It was His to give. And so, even though the Jews were living according to the law of Moses, he saved people like the man let down through the roof, Mary, Martha, Lazarus, and the thief on the cross. These people kept the law that they were under at that time. There were many things Jesus taught that were part of His “New” law—like being born again and Mark 16:16 where He said those that believe and are baptized will be saved. I don’t think the old Jewish law required baptism and that was the law governing those people until Jesus died; Before his “NEW “ law was in effect. That answers so many questions. Being born again was part of Jesus’s new law.
It was not required of people who lived BEFore Jesus died.

 

[Burn1986]

Yes. Jesus made that a condition of salvation, John 3, when He said”UNLESS A MAN BE Born AGAIN, HE CANNOT ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. There is not much question about it. However, there IS a lot of misunderstanding and confusion about the different laws in the New Testament and how people were saved.
Please read Hebrews 9:15-17. The New Testament is the “last will and testament of Jesus. Just like all “wills” today, the will does not come into effect until AFTER the person is dead. Jesus was born a Jew and as such was under the Old Testament law given by Moses. That law was given ONLY to Jews—not ever to gentiles; unless the gentile converted to Judaism. If a person today has a million dollars, he can spend that money anyway he pleases until he dies. Then, his “will” comes into effect and after that how the money is spent has to comply with the terms of the Will. Jesus didn’t have money, but he was “rich” in SALVATION. While He was alive on earth, He could give salvation to whoever He pleased, in any way He pleased. It was His to give. And so, even though the Jews were living according to the law of Moses, he saved people like the man let down through the roof, Mary, Martha, Lazarus, and the thief on the cross. These people kept the law that they were under at that time. There were many things Jesus taught that were part of His “New” law—like being born again and Mark 16:16 where He said those that believe and are baptized will be saved. I don’t think the old Jewish law required baptism and that was the law governing those people until Jesus died; Before his “NEW “ law was in effect. That answers so many questions. Being born again was part of Jesus’s new law.
It was not required of people who lived BEFore Jesus died.

Wow, you mad bro?

 

[homwardbound]

So thankful for your sincerity and good heart. I take comfort in the fact that God did not punish those children under 20 years old. I think you can , too. Keep studying the word. I learn new things all the time.

Death has come to all flesh ever since the unbelief of the first Adam. As God reversed that curse through Son for us to stand in belief to God for us the people. To, give love and mercy given, thus give that as a response in thanksgiving and praise, All sin by sin is now taken away in that cross for us to cross over with him, in being willing to die, to see new life as born new by God and not self or anyone else.


Hebrews 10:10-12

Authorized (King James) Version

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Thank you for the verses of Hebrews 9:15-17. I see this in order
Matthew 5:17, John 19:30, Hebrews 9:14-17

Jesus speaking, I came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets, not destroy.
It is finished, I did it and gave up the Ghost
Then revealing why he had to die first. In order to give the new Covenant of love and mercy to all that believe God, being made new and made wise as serpents, yet remaining harmless as doves in being reconciled, by his one time willing death once for everyone

Thank you Sis, for belief to God above everything else

 

[homwardbound]

Wow, you mad bro?

yeah ain't we though. Amen, thank you Father for this amazing mystery from you through Son Jesus to us to stand in belief to you above anyone else including self
Phil 3

Philippians 3

Authorized (King James) Version



3 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe. 2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. 3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. 4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: 5 circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; 6 concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. 7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. 8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9 and be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10 that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; 11 if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. 12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. 13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do,forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. 15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. 16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. 18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.) 20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: 21 who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

 

[homwardbound]

I agree. Jesus said only those who become like little children (pure) can enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 18:3.
Psalms 106:38 says they “shed INNOCENT blood, the blood of their sons and daughters…”
In numbers 14, when the people refused to go into the promise land for fear, God said they would all be punished and die in the wilderness EXCEPT the ones who were under 20 years old. He did not hold them accountable. I’m not saying that is the age of accountability, but that is what God did. God never punished the innocent. Children don’t need “salvation” because they don’t have sins. They are “safe”. Ezekiel 18 is very plain that there is no such thing as “inherited sin”.

Believe God, stand in belief to God, receive truth from God, and see new from God
Thank you, the new life offered is in the risen Christ. to be given free of charge and see the last Chapter of Job, after he went through the messy life of satan, evil tempting him to deny God and never did deny God. Do we the people see our name there too; in that first Job Chapter 1? I do, in thanksgiving and praise, as religion takes it in and makes proselytes twice the son of hell as themselves, by getting people under Law to do it , to see they can't do it, Then the cross road happens, To make one's final decision whether or not to continue in belief to God or not.
that is a conundrum, to see you can't be perfect under Law to do literally, No one can. Therefore, once see you can't, it be then time to turn to God in belief, Son did take away all sin for you too on that cross for all, to ask in beleif for the new life offered to each in God's Spirit and Truth. (John 4:23-24)

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Peter said, Lord save me!
He didn't want to drown in the waves of the sea. That's a use of the same word with a different application. There are some that apply physical salvation to that of salvation from sins and the wages thereof.

Jesus uses the term born of the Spirit the same as born again. Then in verse 17 KJV the term saved is used synonymously.
The maniac of Gadera was saved and born again. Jesus was banned from his land, but he wasn't. He was given the command to go back and tell his city what the Lord had done for him. This shows me that the man was saved or delivered of demons and believed on Jesus to the saving of his soul....born again spirit.

For more clarification, in the OT and New Testament, those who must be born again must be saved from hell, the wages of sin. If not they will remain condemned.

If not then why did Jesus...
A. Use the terms synonymously?
B. Rebuke Nicodemus for not knowing what the O.T. Scriptures teach on the matter of salvation?
John 3 KJV

 

[homwardbound]

For more clarification, in the OT and New Testament, those who must be born again must be saved from hell, the wages of sin. If not they will remain condemned.

If not then why did Jesus...
A. Use the terms synonymously?
B. Rebuke Nicodemus for not knowing what the O.T. Scriptures teach on the matter of salvation?
John 3 KJV

Agreed these are saved by God not self, thank you

this is what I see. Everyone born after Adam is born dead to God in their flesh nature. That be first birth. Then second birth needed to be alive in God's Spirit and Truth. Born again by beleif to God that will not stop. is what I see. So therefore can ewe go through it all, the troubles to all and self too, and not deny God as Job in the book of Job did not deny God as God in Chapter one said Job would not deny him. Wondering, does God see us all as a Job!
Will we deny God, depending on the trouble(s) at hand?
For best to nto deny God and have been in death and lived through it, was ready to be dead and did die, per the Doctors. Okay, next, whether I live or die, I belong to God anyone else?